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Post by Neverending on Dec 7, 2016 2:59:54 GMT -5
Learn your history, folks.
Radical liberals are just as bad as the radical right-wing. Over-reaction. Censorship. Over-sensitivity. These people gotta accept they're in the minority. We live in Trump's America because these folks don't know when to shut the fuck up. All you're doing is creating a pissing contest. As this video points out, today's college campus trigger warnings were yesterday's parental guidance labels. As I said when I created this thread , all the way back in 2014, pick your battles. Don't turn everything into an issue.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 7, 2016 7:15:02 GMT -5
Learn your history, folks. Radical liberals are just as bad as the radical right-wing. Over-reaction. Censorship. Over-sensitivity. These people gotta accept they're in the minority. We live in Trump's America because these folks don't know when to shut the fuck up. All you're doing is creating a pissing contest. As this video points out, today's college campus trigger warnings were yesterday's parental guidance labels. As I said when I created this thread , all the way back in 2014, pick your battles. Don't turn everything into an issue. Tipper Gore is no one's idea of a radical liberal and that other lady was the wife of a full on Reagan Republican. The PMRC was an inherently conservative and very middle class movement. I don't see the whole "trigger warning" thing as being all that comparable, in part because trigger warnings are just that: warnings, and ones that are unlikely to have any real adverse effect on the professors who do or don't use them. If anything I feel like the people coming out against trigger warnings are more like the PMRC people in that they're attacking something less out of any legitimate practical concern and more out of a general disgust with the younger generation.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 7, 2016 9:49:28 GMT -5
Trigger warnings and safe spaces are how Donald Trump became president.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 7, 2016 9:55:30 GMT -5
Trigger warnings and safe spaces are how Donald Trump became president. Racism and Bernie Sanders is how Donald Trump got elected.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 7, 2016 10:01:47 GMT -5
Trigger warnings and safe spaces are how Donald Trump became president. Racism and Bernie Sanders is how Donald Trump got elected. You really think HALF of the country are racists? I stand by my statement.
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Post by Seakazoo on Dec 7, 2016 10:30:01 GMT -5
A little of column A, a little of column B.
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I've seen the term "regressive left" being thrown around a lot in political discussions online lately. People are so hung up on being politically correct that they're sacrificing traditional liberal ideas. The mental gymnastics that people are capable of are intriguing and horrifying at the same time.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 7, 2016 11:18:40 GMT -5
Racism and Bernie Sanders is how Donald Trump got elected. You really think HALF of the country are racists? I stand by my statement. Basically, yeah. They aren't all registered klan members (racism isn't a binary) but if they're willing to co-sign Trump's rhetoric because they're this offended by college students wanting sentences added to syllabuses I'm not exactly sure what else you're going to call them.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 7, 2016 11:47:58 GMT -5
Like I said before, a lot of people have had it with the 'PC/trigger warning' mindset and that's much more broad than it sounds, it isn't relegated just to college campuses or hipster communes in Los Angeles or San Francisco. Proponents think 'being PC' means being respectful of opinions or sensitivities and if you're 'anti-PC' you're just looking for an excuse to be an asshole however nowadays that's not really the definition of PC. To most people, being PC doesn't mean not saying the N-word. They believe being PC, nowadays, means telling white people their opinions don't matter when it comes to racial politics, it means telling men they can't have any say on women's issues, it means you need to pony up and admit to your 'white privilege' and 'white guilt' and acknowledge that any amount of success you've had at any point in your life is solely due to your skin color. You are somehow responsible for atrocities committed in centuries past and if you argue against it then at the minimum you must admit that you benefit from said atrocities, meaning you're racist. Unfortunately that's the ball that many on the left have picked up and started to run with. You really think you're going to get voters on your side by telling them 'well first off, you have to acknowledge you're a piece of shit because you're white and no, that's not racist. In fact you can't be racist if you aren't white.' You think the average working-class American is going to get behind that? Like they're going to say 'yeah you're right, I've never worked a day in my life, it's all because of my skin color!'
There are several reasons why Trump won and Hillary lost and I don't think it's because people are in love with Trump because they aren't. But one big reason is that many people are tired of being told that they're the problem just because they exist. Now does that mean we just ignore the KKK rallies going on and the supposed influx of racial hate crimes? Absolutely not, but what it means is that the racial politics that the left has been banking on for the past decade has backfired and the guilt that they thought would pressure voters into turning out for them is having the opposite effect. What's even more unfortunate is that many on the left, rather than ask why the American people kicked them to the curb this past election and giving the House, Senate and Presidency to the Republicans just 4 years after reelecting a wildly popular Democrat as President, are doubling down and saying 'it's all racism, it's all sexism, it has nothing to do with us, our message or our methods and everything to do with white supremacist voters.' That's only going to make you lose more than you already have the past 6 years.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 7, 2016 12:08:24 GMT -5
Absolutely right.
For about a week, some on the left were trying to understand what would cause those voters to turn to Trump.
And they were shouted down because modern political discourse in the age of social media is a vast echo chamber.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 7, 2016 12:30:13 GMT -5
Like I said before, a lot of people have had it with the 'PC/trigger warning' mindset and that's much more broad than it sounds, it isn't relegated just to college campuses or hipster communes in Los Angeles or San Francisco. Proponents think 'being PC' means being respectful of opinions or sensitivities and if you're 'anti-PC' you're just looking for an excuse to be an asshole however nowadays that's not really the definition of PC. To most people, being PC doesn't mean not saying the N-word. They believe being PC, nowadays, means telling white people their opinions don't matter when it comes to racial politics, it means telling men they can't have any say on women's issues, it means you need to pony up and admit to your 'white privilege' and 'white guilt' and acknowledge that any amount of success you've had at any point in your life is solely due to your skin color. You are somehow responsible for atrocities committed in centuries past and if you argue against it then at the minimum you must admit that you benefit from said atrocities, meaning you're racist. Unfortunately that's the ball that many on the left have picked up and started to run with. You really think you're going to get voters on your side by telling them 'well first off, you have to acknowledge you're a piece of shit because you're white and no, that's not racist. In fact you can't be racist if you aren't white.' You think the average working-class American is going to get behind that? Like they're going to say 'yeah you're right, I've never worked a day in my life, it's all because of my skin color!' There are several reasons why Trump won and Hillary lost and I don't think it's because people are in love with Trump because they aren't. But one big reason is that many people are tired of being told that they're the problem just because they exist. Now does that mean we just ignore the KKK rallies going on and the supposed influx of racial hate crimes? Absolutely not, but what it means is that the racial politics that the left has been banking on for the past decade has backfired and the guilt that they thought would pressure voters into turning out for them is having the opposite effect. What's even more unfortunate is that many on the left, rather than ask why the American people kicked them to the curb this past election and giving the House, Senate and Presidency to the Republicans just 4 years after reelecting a wildly popular Democrat as President, are doubling down and saying 'it's all racism, it's all sexism, it has nothing to do with us, our message or our methods and everything to do with white supremacist voters.' That's only going to make you lose more than you already have the past 6 years. So... you're saying that Trump voters are sensitive little snowflakes who needed to have a safe space away from all these unpleasant thoughts like institutional racism or at least some kind of trigger warning before people brought up ideas like white privilege that they couldn't handle...
I guess that makes sense. So next time a police officer shoots an unarmed black person and gets away with it we shouldn't suggest that this is because of "racism" and should instead come up with a different word that is more correct... politically that is.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 7, 2016 15:27:59 GMT -5
you're saying that Trump voters are sensitive little snowflakes What Doomsday is describing is called a pissing contest. When protesters shut down traffic during rush hour, that's called being annoying. When protesters show up at the Mall of the America's and interrupt holiday shopping, that's considered pointless. When protesters show up at a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and make a scene, that's just plain stupid. There's a time and place for everything. There's battles to fight and battles to avoid. There's big issues and small issues and prioritizing is key. Everything isn't black & white, sometimes things are complex. If you're consistently picking fights, people are gonna fight back, even if they agree with you. You can't turn your friends into enemies. Technically, Donald Trump won because a) the electoral college is outdated and b) voter turnout for Hillary Clinton wasn't enough. But if we wanna put a social/moral angle to it, Donald Trump won because he just didn't give a fuck and people found that refreshing. He was caught saying that he grabbed women by the pussy and he just dismissed that as locker room talk. He was caught not paying taxes for 20 years and dismissed that as taking advantage of the system. Was he wrong? Mostly, yes, but that wasn't the point. He became a symbol against the past 2-3 years of left-wing shenanigans and people voted against their better interest JUST to win a pissing contest. Again. Learn history. This isn't new. Go back to the 1970's and re-visit the feminist movement. Feminists lost MANY battles because they started a pissing contest with housewives. They couldn't just let housewives be housewives. They had to make them examples of everything that's wrong. They turned their friends into enemies. Being a housewife or a working woman should be a CHOICE and when you're not letting people make that choice you're at risk of destroying the greater good. That happened again, now, in 2016 and in this election. It happened with Black Lives Matter. It happened with Rape Culture. The left never learns. That's how we got Nixon and Reagan and Bush and Bush II and now Trump. Pick your battles. Don't start pissing contests. It isn't difficult to do.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 7, 2016 15:40:40 GMT -5
you're saying that Trump voters are sensitive little snowflakes What Doomsday is describing is called a pissing contest. When protesters shut down traffic during rush hour, that's called being annoying. When protesters show up at the Mall of the America's and interrupt holiday shopping, that's considered pointless. When protesters show up at a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally and make a scene, that's just plain stupid. There's a time and place for everything. There's battles to fight and battles to avoid. There's big issues and small issues and prioritizing is key. Everything isn't black & white, sometimes things are complex. If you're consistently picking fights, people are gonna fight back, even if they agree with you. You can't turn your friends into enemies. Technically, Donald Trump won because a) the electoral college is outdated and b) voter turnout for Hillary Clinton wasn't enough. But if we wanna put a social/moral angle to it, Donald Trump won because he just didn't give a fuck and people found that refreshing. He was caught saying that he grabbed women by the pussy and he just dismissed that as locker room talk. He was caught not paying taxes for 20 years and dismissed that as taking advantage of the system. Was he wrong? Mostly, yes, but that wasn't the point. He became a symbol against the past 2-3 years of left-wing shenanigans and people voted against their better interest JUST to win a pissing contest. Again. Learn history. This isn't new. Go back to the 1970's and re-visit the feminist movement. Feminists lost MANY battles because they started a pissing contest with housewives. They couldn't just let housewives be housewives. They had to make them examples of everything that's wrong. They turned their friends into enemies. Being a housewife or a working woman should be a CHOICE and when you're not letting people make that choice you're at risk of destroying the greater good. That happened again, now, in 2016 and in this election. It happened with Black Lives Matter. It happened with Rape Culture. The left never learns. That's how we got Nixon and Reagan and Bush and Bush II and now Trump. Pick your battles. Don't start pissing contests. It isn't difficult to do. Young and impassioned people are going to be young and impassioned people, there's only so much you can do about that. Maybe Hilary could have had a few more Sistah Soldier moments but then she would have had a bunch of Bernie-or-Busters calling her a sellout.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 7, 2016 15:44:22 GMT -5
Young and impassioned people are going to be young and impassioned people. I don't know, man. We weren't THIS dumb during Bush II vs John Kerry. We weren't THIS dumb during Obama vs McCain or Obama vs Romney. There's just certain periods in history when liberals get super annoying and fuck everything up.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 7, 2016 19:08:09 GMT -5
Young and impassioned people are going to be young and impassioned people. I don't know, man. We weren't THIS dumb during Bush II vs John Kerry. We weren't THIS dumb during Obama vs McCain or Obama vs Romney. There's just certain periods in history when liberals get super annoying and fuck everything up. Yeah, but they were dumb like that during Bush vs. Gore and it backfired big time vis-a-vie Ralph Nadar. Don't mistake any of this to suggest I'm not mad at the way the left has been behaving recently, because I am, I'm furious. But I'm not mad at the ones who decided to bring up issues like white privilege and institutional racism because both of those things are very real and both need to be talked about. I'm angry at the goddamn "Bernie or Bust"/Jill Stein dumbasses who spent more energy trashing their own candidate than they did helping us win the damn thing.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 8, 2016 3:55:51 GMT -5
I don't blame Ralph Nader. I blame Jeb Bush.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 8, 2016 7:07:27 GMT -5
I don't blame Ralph Nader. I blame Jeb Bush. At final tally Bush "won" Florida by 537 votes. Nader got 97,488. If that motherfucker hadn't been siphoning votes for no good reason Gore would have clearly won and Jeb wouldn't have been able to do shit.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 22, 2017 10:25:49 GMT -5
We need old people off the roads and out of the voting booths.
Donald Trump is President, but you wouldn't know that from watching the inauguration. People keep comparing it to Obama's, but even George W. Bush had a greater turnout. So if there's so much hate/indifference towards this guy, how the fuck did he become President?
The Washington Post had a similar question and they looked at the numbers -sort of. Hillary did better with early voting and absentee ballots. Trump did better on Election Day. Now - who the fuck votes on Election Day? Old people.
I know. I know. That's a gross generalization. But think about it. People have jobs and school. Who the has time to vote on a fucking Tuesday? Generally speaking, it's old people. In an age when women and minorities can vote, how else do you explain so many old white men getting voted into office?
Donald Trump represents the end of Baby Boomers. We need to start taking away their privileges. Those fuckers are senile. We need them off the roads and out of the voting booths.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 22, 2017 10:31:12 GMT -5
We need old people off the roads and out of the voting booths. Donald Trump is President, but you wouldn't know that from watching the inauguration. People keep comparing it to Obama's, but even George W. Bush had a greater turnout. So if there's so much hate/indifference towards this guy, how the fuck did he become President? The Washington Post had a similar question and they looked at the numbers -sort of. Hillary did better with early voting and absentee ballots. Trump did better on Election Day. Now - who the fuck votes on Election Day? Old people. I know. I know. That's a gross generalization. But think about it. People have jobs and school. Who the has time to vote on a fucking Tuesday? Generally speaking, it's old people. In an age when women and minorities can vote, how else do you explain so many old white men getting voted into office? Donald Trump represents the end of Baby Boomers. We need to start taking away their privileges. Those fuckers are senile. We need them off the roads and out of the voting booths. Ummm... you don't need to make assumptions based on voting type, the age of Donald Trump supporters is quite well documented
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2017 21:11:33 GMT -5
Back in the Pre Lyndon Johnson days, Christians were Democrats. Maybe... just maybe... we can rebuild that relationship. Why? Cause I think we can use / take advantage of them.
Christians don't want abortion. Well, this new Pope seems pretty cool. Meet us halfway with sex education.
Christians want family values. Well, help us raise wages. No family can live on a single income anymore. You want traditional values? The provider needs to make enough money to provide.
Christians don't want youthful debauchery. Make college affordable. Make sure there's good jobs waiting for people went they get out of college.
See. We ain't so different. We can learn to work together for the greater good. Isn't that what we did during World War II?
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2017 21:33:12 GMT -5
Christians don't want youthful debauchery. Make college affordable. Make sure there's good jobs waiting for people went they get out of college. I don't know that more people in college would cut down on youthful debauchery, quite the opposite in fact. As for the rest of that stuff... yeah so "family values" is total dog whistle bullshit. Christians don't give a damn if families are together and prosperous, it really just means they want the whole world to play along with their sheltering nonsense and for no one to pop their little bubble by living in ways that pop their 50s sitcom delusions. They also aren't going to be satisfied with sex education or birth control to reduce unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions either because the abortions themselves aren't what Christians really care about so much as they want to control people and punish them for their fornications (because fornication is definitely not a "family value"). Or at least that's probably how it started, then it became such a fixture of the culture war that at this point they're probably just fighting it for the sake of fighting it. Anyway, if Christians are happy to vote for Donald "Grab 'em by the pussies" Trump in order to stay ahead in the culture war I'm pretty sure they're far beyond actually living up to the morals they claim to stand for.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2017 21:41:04 GMT -5
What about Sunday's? People don't go to church anymore cause they got to work. Better jobs. More money. People free on Sunday. I'm telling ya, they can come in handy for something. FDR. JFK. Two iconic liberal Presidents accomplished loads of stuff back when Democrats and Christians were on the same side.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2017 21:55:35 GMT -5
What about Sunday's? People don't go to church anymore cause they got to work. Better jobs. More money. People free on Sunday. I'm telling ya, they can come in handy for something. FDR. JFK. Two iconic liberal Presidents accomplished loads of stuff back when Democrats and Christians were on the same side. Well, I mean, Democrats and the KKK were also on the same side back then. Sacrificing the redneck voters have made the Dems better and probably made the GOP worse. Not sure I'm following your logic on the Sundays thing. Pretty much the only people working on Sundays are people with service and retail jobs, which is kind of necessary because the people with normal jobs have time to go shopping on weekends and there need to be people to serve them. If a bunch of high paying M-F jobs were created there would still be a need for people to work those retail jobs. Also, if Christians really cared if people are distracted from church on Sundays I'm pretty sure they would have shut down the NFL a long time ago.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2017 22:04:11 GMT -5
What about Sunday's? People don't go to church anymore cause they got to work. Better jobs. More money. People free on Sunday. I'm telling ya, they can come in handy for something. FDR. JFK. Two iconic liberal Presidents accomplished loads of stuff back when Democrats and Christians were on the same side. Well, I mean, Democrats and the KKK were also on the same side back then. Sacrificing the redneck voters have made the Dems better and probably made the GOP worse. Not sure I'm following your logic on the Sundays thing. Pretty much the only people working on Sundays are people with service and retail jobs, which is kind of necessary because the people with normal jobs have time to go shopping on weekends and there need to be people to serve them. If a bunch of high paying M-F jobs were created there would still be a need for people to work those retail jobs. Also, if Christians really cared if people are distracted from church on Sundays I'm pretty sure they would have shut down the NFL a long time ago. Traditionally, retail/food/service jobs were for high school and college kids. They're called starter jobs for a reason. But now we have grown adults working those jobs cause, as you pointed out yourself in another thread, Walmart has taken over the job market. You can't own a business anymore but you can be a Supervisor at Walmart for 10 bucks an hour.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 21, 2017 14:46:51 GMT -5
Having worked the service industry, I tend to be very patient and forgiving, but I also know shit employees when I see one. That's when I have to turn into an asshole customer. I feel bad but they deserve it. Even when I hated my job with a passion I still knew what the fuck I was doing and did it well and know others that were the same. I have low tolerance for shit workers, even when they were my co-workers, and know others that are the same. In fact, a shit employee makes the job worse for everyone else. I lost track of how many times I had to clean someone's mess. So even though I feel bad being an asshole customer, it's just not in my nature, someone has to set them straight. Although I also know that all asshole customers blend together and no lessons will be learned. These things need to be dealt with internally.
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