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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 16, 2024 9:40:31 GMT -5
I wonder about Looper. Maybe?
I think Hunger Games should stay, it has certainly entered the public zeitgeist in a way that it probably wouldnt if it were just the books.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 16, 2024 12:09:39 GMT -5
Django Unchained should be on there.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 16, 2024 14:52:10 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2024 16:40:14 GMT -5
Because of that really funny Leonardo DiCaprio meme. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 16, 2024 16:42:11 GMT -5
The Samuel L. Jackson character seems to come up a lot in racial discourse as the most recent example of the "uncle tom" archetype.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2024 16:43:16 GMT -5
The Samuel L. Jackson character seems to come up a lot in racial discourse as the most recent example of the "uncle tom" archetype. That discussion was always there. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 17, 2024 13:18:01 GMT -5
Also in terms of revisionist westerns, it's up there in impact with Unforgiven.
And it's just a much better movie than the other movies we have listed aside from Amour. And netted Tarantino an Oscar.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 17, 2024 14:07:52 GMT -5
As for what should be swapped in... Django Unchained springs to mind. Very audacious and somehow still massively popular. Important film for debates about representation, who gets to tell certain stories and in what style, etc. I'd also add that as far as cinematic portrayals of American slavery go, Django Unchained is pretty singular. There are roots of what it's doing in exploitation cinema of the seventies but the way Tarantino brought that sleaze into a mainstream blockbuster and prestige triumph is a wild success that is unparalleled. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2024 15:21:38 GMT -5
I'd also add that as far as cinematic portrayals of American slavery go, Django Unchained is pretty singular. There are roots of what it's doing in exploitation cinema of the seventies but the way Tarantino brought that sleaze into a mainstream blockbuster and prestige triumph is a wild success that is unparalleled. Have you actually shown this movie to your students? Leo memes aside, I’d be curious to see how Zoomers react to this movie. Tarantino, going back to the 1990’s, has been criticized for his handling of Black culture and the fact he feels he has a free pass to use the N-word. Django Unchained didn’t exactly temper those criticisms. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 17, 2024 16:34:24 GMT -5
I'd also add that as far as cinematic portrayals of American slavery go, Django Unchained is pretty singular. There are roots of what it's doing in exploitation cinema of the seventies but the way Tarantino brought that sleaze into a mainstream blockbuster and prestige triumph is a wild success that is unparalleled. Have you actually shown this movie to your students? Leo memes aside, I’d be curious to see how Zoomers react to this movie. Tarantino, going back to the 1990’s, has been criticized for his handling of Black culture and the fact he feels he has a free pass to use the N-word. Django Unchained didn’t exactly temper those criticisms. Those criticisms are part of why I think it's important, for the debate it generated and will continue to generate. Frankly its audacious nature in terms of story and language also stands as a pretty strong rebuttal to the "you couldn't make x today" because Tarantino very much did. |
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Post by frankyt on Jul 17, 2024 17:45:27 GMT -5
Really film twitter loves Django eh? Can't say I saw that coming. Pretty low tier Tarantino for me but perhaps I need to revisit. I'd drop zero dark thirty if I drop any of em for it though.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 17, 2024 17:54:16 GMT -5
Really film twitter loves Django eh? Can't say I saw that coming. Pretty low tier Tarantino for me but perhaps I need to revisit. I'd drop zero dark thirty if I drop any of em for it though. I'm also okay with dropping Zero Dark Thirty. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 17, 2024 17:59:23 GMT -5
The Dark Knight Rises feels like the one to be dropping for me. We have plenty of other better Nolan movies represented including other Batman movies.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2024 18:03:14 GMT -5
I don’t even remember how Dark Knight Rises made the list. Who pushed for that shit? Doomsday?? |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 17, 2024 18:07:30 GMT -5
Zero Dark Thirty definitely should get the boot for Django.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2024 18:11:53 GMT -5
It was this fool that pushed for Dark Knight Rises. Dark Knight Rises is not important. I still don't really understand why The Dark Knight Rises is on the list. It's easily considered the worst of the three films. Still, how is it really important? It's just the last film of a popular franchise. It didn't really add anything to the genre (not even close to what The Avengers did). I'm not really feeling The Dark Knight Rises for the list either. Much as I defended that movie it didn't really fundamentally do anything the previous two films didn't and since those are more than likely to be on the list in 2005 and 2008. It's the only superhero franchise to actually give itself and its character a proper ending, and in an era where everything is about building a universe and pumping up the next film, that is very admirable and unique. It also plays against the genre as it feels like more of a war epic than a straight-up superhero film and it definitely raised the bar for grand set-pieces and scope in the series. It's still one of the most fiercely debated films on both the internet and in general conversation. I can't think of another film that has stirred up more passionate argument in recent memory both leading up to its release and after. And while it may be considered the weakest of the trilogy by some (myself included), there are those who not only argue it to be the best of the trilogy, but one of the best films of the year and a defining film of the genre. Regardless of whether or not you agree with these statements, they have been made by others, including respected film critics, and people still debate the validity of them. Bottom line is people still talk about the film a lot more than they do many of 2012's other releases. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2024 18:17:30 GMT -5
Zero Dark Thirty definitely should get the boot for Django. Looking back, the argument for it was its historical significance. After nearly 8 years of Trump-Biden, no one even wants to think of Bush, 9/11 and first-term Obama, but in time, we might revisit this era and this is one of those movies that represent it. Or to put it more direct, Dracula has a hard-on for United 93, so might as well include Zero Dark Thirty as well. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 17, 2024 18:20:34 GMT -5
Looking back, the argument for it was its historical significance. After nearly 8 years of Trump-Biden, no one even wants to think of Bush, 9/11 and first-term Obama, but in time, we might revisit this era and this is one of those movies that represent it. Or to put it more direct, Dracula has a hard-on for United 93, so might as well include Zero Dark Thirty as well. Sure, but no one talks about it now. It's not like it's All the President's Men. It was faded from public conscious within a year after it was released. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 17, 2024 18:57:39 GMT -5
Looking back, the argument for it was its historical significance. After nearly 8 years of Trump-Biden, no one even wants to think of Bush, 9/11 and first-term Obama, but in time, we might revisit this era and this is one of those movies that represent it. Or to put it more direct, Dracula has a hard-on for United 93, so might as well include Zero Dark Thirty as well. Sure, but no one talks about it now. It's not like it's All the President's Men. It was faded from public conscious within a year after it was released. The certainly talk about it whenever the topic of the military/CIA's involvement in the film industry comes up. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 17, 2024 19:31:29 GMT -5
Okay so it is looking like Dark Knight and 0 dark 30 getting dropped.
People seem to want Django in. Other contenders are The Raid, Silver Linings Playbook, Dread, Looper, Skyfall, Master
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 17, 2024 20:57:22 GMT -5
Okay so it is looking like Dark Knight and 0 dark 30 getting dropped. People seem to want Django in. Other contenders are The Raid, Silver Linings Playbook, Dread, Looper, Skyfall, Master And Frances Ha. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 18, 2024 10:02:27 GMT -5
Looper might be significant if only in that it features arguably the last legitimately good Bruce Willis performance.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 18, 2024 10:29:45 GMT -5
Okay so it is looking like Dark Knight and 0 dark 30 getting dropped. People seem to want Django in. Other contenders are The Raid, Silver Linings Playbook, Dread, Looper, Skyfall, Master Django and The Raid would be my vote. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 18, 2024 10:30:11 GMT -5
Looper might be significant if only in that it features arguably the last legitimately good Bruce Willis performance That’s not a good enough reason. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 18, 2024 10:31:41 GMT -5
Looper might be significant if only in that it features arguably the last legitimately good Bruce Willis performance That’s not a good enough reason. I'm just saying.
I don't care enough, either way.
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