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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 4, 2024 15:28:57 GMT -5
Looks like Moonlight and Deadpool are locks. Arrival and Witch are also strong I can get behind those picks. I also think we need to be considering Elle more seriously. I get that their are far more popular movies from 2016 but I think the significance of a film that is released concurrently to the #MeToo movement and is highly relevant to it while not being strictly representative or ripped from the headlines, a provocation on a major issue that is clinical and detached rather than sensationalist, should not be ignored. When people write books about cinematic depiction of sexual violence, Elle is going to be a central text.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 4, 2024 15:31:54 GMT -5
I dont remember even hearing about Elle
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Post by Neverending on Jul 4, 2024 16:24:54 GMT -5
Looks like Moonlight and Deadpool are locks. Arrival and Witch are also strong I can get behind those picks. I also think we need to be considering Elle more seriously. I get that their are far more popular movies from 2016 but I think the significance of a film that is released concurrently to the #MeToo movement and is highly relevant to it while not being strictly representative or ripped from the headlines, a provocation on a major issue that is clinical and detached rather than sensationalist, should not be ignored. When people write books about cinematic depiction of sexual violence, Elle is going to be a central text. I dont remember even hearing about Elle Elle is the Paul Verhoeven (Robocop) movie about an old lady that gets raped. Coop makes a valid point. The movie did have a moment, but, it was just a moment. People don’t really take Paul Verhoeven seriously as a filmmaker. Yeah, he did some cool sci-fi/action films, but they just see him a pervert from Europe. Hardly an influential movie. If we’re gonna tackle cultural moments, Ghostbusters (2016) is right there. This isn’t about the quality of the movie. Y’all keep confusing the two in this thread. It’s about cultural impact. In 2016, in the middle of Trump vs Hilary, a year before MeToo, what was a more cultural defining movie moment than a bunch of neck beards losing their shit over female Ghostbusters? Here we are, nearly a decade later, and people still lose their shit over “woke” movies & TV shows. As a YouTuber, Mr. EyeBrowCinema should know that all too well. The most “important movie” in 2016, from a cultural perspective, is Ghostbusters.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 4, 2024 17:06:21 GMT -5
I can get behind those picks. I also think we need to be considering Elle more seriously. I get that their are far more popular movies from 2016 but I think the significance of a film that is released concurrently to the #MeToo movement and is highly relevant to it while not being strictly representative or ripped from the headlines, a provocation on a major issue that is clinical and detached rather than sensationalist, should not be ignored. When people write books about cinematic depiction of sexual violence, Elle is going to be a central text. I dont remember even hearing about Elle Elle is the Paul Verhoeven (Robocop) movie about an old lady that gets raped. Coop makes a valid point. The movie did have a moment, but, it was just a moment. People don’t really take Paul Verhoeven seriously as a filmmaker. Yeah, he did some cool sci-fi/action films, but they just see him a pervert from Europe. Hardly an influential movie. If we’re gonna tackle cultural moments, Ghostbusters (2016) is right there. This isn’t about the quality of the movie. Y’all keep confusing the two in this thread. It’s about cultural impact. In 2016, in the middle of Trump vs Hilary, a year before MeToo, what was a more cultural defining movie moment than a bunch of neck beards losing their shit over female Ghostbusters? Here we are, nearly a decade later, and people still lose their shit over “woke” movies & TV shows. As a YouTuber, Mr. EyeBrowCinema should know that all too well. The most “important movie” in 2016, from a cultural perspective, is Ghostbusters. There's an argument for Ghostbusters for the reasons you state. That said, the glimmers of its online reception were already apparent in responses to The Force Awakens for having a Mary Sue protagonist and a Black Stormtropper, or to Fury Road for putting a woman at the center instead of Max. I guess what I'm questioning is if it was really Ghostbusters that was important or if it just happened to be in the right place at the right time. By comparison, what Elle is doing seems a lot more singular and specific to the film. Also, given how much of film theory is written about voyeurism, desire, fetishism, and gender, an openly pervy male director making a movie about a woman's experience of sexual assault that denies titillation and grapples with a complex psycho-sexual response to the violence invites a whole new wave of study and theory to develop from the film. I also just feel like the film is a very salient portrayal not just of rape culture but modern misogyny writ large. The fact that the lead is a videogame developer who has revenge porn made of her from the game her company is making really grapples with the modern culture of violence against women, and how that violence is realized, than any other film I can think of.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 4, 2024 18:52:06 GMT -5
I wasn't really sure what to make of Elle then and I'm not really sure what to make of it now. I'm not sure how widely seen or influential it is, but you probably do make a good point that it has a lot of academic interest.
I kind of see where Neverending is coming from with Ghostbusters in that it's probably a key example of "sacrificial trash" but also its importance seems a bit "very online" for my tastes and I'm not sure how much it really mattered in the real world.
If we're talking about something that's important for all the wrong reasons I might point to Star Wars Rogue One, which kind of seems like ground zero for studios thinking they can reshoot movies to death, Suicide Squad as well I guess, though I'm not sure this is important to the point of putting it on a list.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 4, 2024 20:16:29 GMT -5
Nice guys Arrival Moana La La land
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Post by Neverending on Jul 4, 2024 21:41:49 GMT -5
If we're talking about something that's important for all the wrong reasons I might point to Star Wars Rogue One, which kind of seems like ground zero for studios thinking they can reshoot movies to death, Suicide Squad as well I guess, though I'm not sure this is important to the point of putting it on a list. And bringing dead actors back to life.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 8, 2024 20:51:54 GMT -5
Arrival and Witch can get added. Just need that 5th spot. Coop's pushing Elle, NE's pushing Ghostbusters
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Post by Neverending on Jul 8, 2024 21:06:49 GMT -5
Coop's pushing Elle, NE's pushing Ghostbusters Coop’s making up for sins of the past. The Accused - It shouldn't come as a surprise that a message board filled with men won't acknowledge "the" movie about rape. I'm a little less sold on The Accused, only because I've never really heard anyone talk about it
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 8, 2024 21:18:04 GMT -5
Elle is a substantially more interesting movie on the topic.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 8, 2024 21:37:32 GMT -5
Arrival and Witch can get added. Just need that 5th spot. Coop's pushing Elle, NE's pushing Ghostbusters If it's between those two I guess I'd go with Elle, but I don't particularly like either of these. Can't really come up with much of an alternative though so... shrug.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 8, 2024 21:47:33 GMT -5
Arrival and Witch can get added. Just need that 5th spot. Coop's pushing Elle, NE's pushing Ghostbusters If it's between those two I guess I'd go with Elle, but I don't particularly like either of these. Can't really come up with much of an alternative though so... shrug. You were on the money with Rogue One and A.I.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 8, 2024 21:52:46 GMT -5
I would probably support that over the alternatives.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 9, 2024 8:30:14 GMT -5
The problem with adding Rogue One is that we already have Force Awakens and Last Jedi is a very likely contender for 2017. It's the ultimate film for online culture war vitriol. Do we really need three Disney-era Star Wars movies in the list? When we also have all of the original trilogy and The Phantom Menace?
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 9, 2024 9:06:48 GMT -5
What about something like Kubo and the 2 strings?
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Post by frankyt on Jul 9, 2024 9:19:38 GMT -5
Moana has a much greater reach than kubo.
And really outside that witch scene kubo isn't the most impressive Laika flick.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 9, 2024 17:55:37 GMT -5
Do we really need three Disney-era Star Wars movies in the list? When we also have all of the original trilogy and The Phantom Menace? The more the merrier.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 9, 2024 18:18:50 GMT -5
The problem with adding Rogue One is that we already have Force Awakens and Last Jedi is a very likely contender for 2017. It's the ultimate film for online culture war vitriol. Do we really need three Disney-era Star Wars movies in the list? When we also have all of the original trilogy and The Phantom Menace? That might say something about how only certain properties are in a position to be "important" on a big scale these days, at least in the short term.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 15, 2024 16:43:28 GMT -5
Next up: 2012 reassessment
Here were what we came up with for 2012 Avengers Hunger Games Zero Dark Thirty Amour Dark Knight Rises
As 2012 is a rather recent year, lest seem how good our farsightedness was. Do we still agree with these picks? Is there anything we should switch out?
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2024 16:54:54 GMT -5
Next up: 2012 reassessment
Here were what we came up with for 2012 Avengers Hunger Games Zero Dark Thirty Amour Dark Knight Rises
As 2012 is a rather recent year, lest seem how good our farsightedness was. Do we still agree with these picks? Is there anything we should switch out?
Did we settle on our 2016 picks? As for 2012... I'd be down to drop Hunger Games and Zero Dark Thirty. The former was the start of a big franchise but the YA wave was quite fragile and its influence short-lived. Bigelow has also proven a less significant filmmaker since 2012 than her success in that era would indicate. As for what should be swapped in... Django Unchained springs to mind. Very audacious and somehow still massively popular. Important film for debates about representation, who gets to tell certain stories and in what style, etc. I might also suggest Frances Ha. I've never got the hype for it but there are people who love it to death and in hindsight it played a key role in the emergence of Greta Gerwig as a filmmaker even if she didn't technically direct it.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 15, 2024 17:18:22 GMT -5
Next up: 2012 reassessment
Here were what we came up with for 2012 Avengers Hunger Games Zero Dark Thirty Amour Dark Knight Rises
As 2012 is a rather recent year, lest seem how good our farsightedness was. Do we still agree with these picks? Is there anything we should switch out?
Are we counting The Raid as a 2012 film? If so I think that belongs in, it probably provided some inspiration for future action movies including John Wick. I would swap out Dark Knight Rises for that.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 15, 2024 17:20:44 GMT -5
There's still one more 2016 spot, but no consensus
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2024 19:41:18 GMT -5
I'd be down to drop Hunger Games and Zero Dark Thirty. The former was the start of a big franchise but the YA wave was quite fragile and its influence short-lived. Hunger Games gave us the star of the Fappening, so it has its place in history.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 16, 2024 8:40:49 GMT -5
Silver linings is peak David o Russel - hasn't quite hit the highs since.
Dredd has some awesome people in front of and behind the camera. Karl Urban is everywhere now (an Urban Sprawl if you will...) and the internet almost wants a sequel to this more than they want firefly to be continued. Seems like people keep discovering this awesome action flick.
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Post by donny on Jul 16, 2024 9:09:33 GMT -5
Looper? Skyfall? The Master?
Just throwing out some other options with a ? in hopes to make it sound more intriguing and spark discussion.
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