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Post by frankyt on Jan 31, 2022 13:27:40 GMT -5
Remember when we argued if it was dangerous to give these nutjobs (at the time this didn't include Joe himself necessarily) a platform in this very thread?
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 31, 2022 13:37:50 GMT -5
Joe Rogan and his fans are insufferable. Hey, what's your beef with Joe Rogan? Apart from often giving a platform to vile dickheads, he also frequently sounds off on political and social issues which, as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't have any insights on. Not saying he isn't allowed an opinion, but I don't think he has much to offer in discussion, at least outside the realm of comedy. Worse yet are a good chunk of his fans who worship at his altar and view his podcast as the height of critical discourse when, by his own admission, its just him talking to people he finds interesting. I wouldn't mind so much, except the people he finds interesting are hateful assholes, and that a lot of episodes tend to be Rogan letting people like Ben Shapiro rant about how transgender people are mentally ill or Jordan Peterson on how universities have been infiltrated by Postmodern Neo-Marxists threatening to upend Western civilization, and Rogan will seldom challenge this shit. That's exactly why people dig him, he just wants to have conversations with his guests. I don't listen to every episode but I've enjoyed most of the ones I've listened to even if I don't agree with the people he has on. He's had everyone from Neil deGrasse Tyson to Jordan Peterson and he doesn't want to grill them, he just wants to talk about ideas and he frequently pushes back without coming off as combative or overly partisan. I don't think he's ever labeled himself as being an authority on anything outside of mixed martial arts but the people he has on are often experts in a ton of fields from economics to music to mental health. The problem is some of his guests should be challenged. I added some to my original post, but to reitterate, having someone like Peterson go on unchallenged rants about how Universities are indoctrinated and will lead to tyranny are ideas that should be challenged. Consider that Peterson was really railing against was a bill that added gender identity/expression to the Canadian Human Rights act, basically to protrct trans people from discrimination and hate crimes. Yet to listen solely to Peterson is to get the impression that you could be arrested for misgendering something and that this was a frequent problem in Canadian universities (I work for a Canadian university; it isn't). But instead of challenging any of this, Joe just nods along and agrees. Joe may never have claimed himself to be an expert, but his show has a huge audience and influence. As far as I'm concerned, that comes with it a responsibility to consider what messages his content produces, and who is harmed. This is also why having "expert" guests is an issue, as it means someone like Ben Shapiro can spout his hateful bullshit and Joe doesn't have the background to be able to counter his points. But I don't think he wants to, he wants to have a discussion instead of a brawl. And I'm fine with that when he's just shooting the shit with eccentric people talking about art, comedy, or MMA, but when dealing with real issues that really effect people, I'd argue there's a greater responsibility to consider what messages you're enabling. I hate to tell you "I told ya so", except no I don't I love it. *edit: no shade meant at Doomsday.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 31, 2022 13:53:10 GMT -5
Doomsday voted for Trump and listens to Joe Rogan every day.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 31, 2022 14:05:32 GMT -5
Wow, that was almost three and a half years ago? Time flies.
I don't know anything he's done or said lately beyond the Neil Young spat and in that regard Rogan holds all the cards (with respect to Neil and Joni Mitchell). Spotify can drop him and they'll still have to give him a nice $20 million check every year for the next four years and he can go back to YouTube or wherever and take his fans with him. I know people think the simple answer is for Spotify to can him but if they do they'll still pay a hefty price.
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Post by frankyt on Jan 31, 2022 14:46:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised he still gets comedians and stuff to come on, I guess its a huge market share so you wanna sell your shit, hence why Gaffigan was on stumping his new special, but you gotta think with all the news now that a lot of people will be reticent to come on.
So you're gonna see more more obscure guests and a whole lotta old 'favorites'.
Went and checked his guest list just now... He had Jordan Peterson on just a few episodes ago.
Completely understand why Spotify is sticking to their non existent guns but as the wave crests I think they will need to make a more substantial decision than just marking things as potentially misinformation.
But I get free Hulu from Spotify... Feel like they got me by the balls!
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 31, 2022 15:02:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised he still gets comedians and stuff to come on, I guess its a huge market share so you wanna sell your shit, hence why Gaffigan was on stumping his new special, but you gotta think with all the news now that a lot of people will be reticent to come on. So you're gonna see more more obscure guests and a whole lotta old 'favorites'. Went and checked his guest list just now... He had Jordan Peterson on just a few episodes ago. Peterson showed up wearing a tux, talked about how climate change isn't real because the models "don't account for everything", and joked that a Black man who criticized him isn't really Black, he's more brown, and that Peterson isn't really white because he's tanned.
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Post by frankyt on Jan 31, 2022 15:05:56 GMT -5
I would have assumed Peterson woulda been busy driving a truck across the Canadian plains with the rest of those nutjobs.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 31, 2022 15:10:37 GMT -5
I'm conflicted, as with the Netflix Chappelle special I think mobs trying to dictate what content gets "platformed" is generally not good for the entertainment echosystem in general and I can also see why Spotify wouldn't want to set a precedant where their programing decisions could be dictated to them by any random musician that gets angry at one of their podcasts. On the other hand, Spotify isn't Netflix, they don't really produce content so much as they pay to have content that would exist anyway be exclusive to them... so I'm not sure that anything would really be lost if they stopped paying podcasts for exclusivity. IDK, as with most things Joe Rogan I think there are worse people out there (Fox News, for example), and I guess I can just hope that this whole thing spooks him just a little bit into being a little more careful about these things. Not likely I'm sure, but one can always hope.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 31, 2022 15:16:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised he still gets comedians and stuff to come on, I guess its a huge market share so you wanna sell your shit, hence why Gaffigan was on stumping his new special, but you gotta think with all the news now that a lot of people will be reticent to come on. So you're gonna see more more obscure guests and a whole lotta old 'favorites'. Went and checked his guest list just now... He had Jordan Peterson on just a few episodes ago. Peterson showed up wearing a tux, talked about how climate change is real because the models "don't account for everything", and joked that a Black man who criticized him isn't really Black, he's more brown, and that Peterson isn't really white because he's tanned. Where have I heard that before?
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 31, 2022 15:21:48 GMT -5
Peterson showed up wearing a tux, talked about how climate change is real because the models "don't account for everything", and joked that a Black man who criticized him isn't really Black, he's more brown, and that Peterson isn't really white because he's tanned. Where have I heard that before? Maybe JP's a fan.
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Post by frankyt on Feb 5, 2022 14:04:59 GMT -5
Only took a quick few months but they digging up some real racist comments from rogans past, if Spotify needed a moralistic clause to cancel the contract this is prob it. Covid misinformation is a bit of a gray area, but these gems he's apologizing for today are cut and dry.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 5, 2022 14:16:27 GMT -5
Only took a quick few months but they digging up some real racist comments from rogans past, if Spotify needed a moralistic clause to cancel the contract this is prob it. Covid misinformation is a bit of a gray area, but these gems he's apologizing for today are cut and dry. IDK, these were readily available episodes of the podcast they purchased the exclusive rights to, if they didn't do their due diligence to know they were part of the show that was on their service that's probably on them.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2022 14:21:13 GMT -5
Unless he turned his own audience against him, Spotify won't do anything, since the revenue will still be there.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 5, 2022 17:13:01 GMT -5
Only took a quick few months but they digging up some real racist comments from rogans past, if Spotify needed a moralistic clause to cancel the contract this is prob it. Covid misinformation is a bit of a gray area, but these gems he's apologizing for today are cut and dry. Before posting the podcast episode I was given a warning about Spotify's platform rules. "It is important to be aware of what is not allowed on our platform"
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2022 21:41:35 GMT -5
I do hate Fear and Loathing, but I love me some vomit talk
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Post by Dracula on Feb 5, 2022 22:32:48 GMT -5
Had no idea there was so much Fear and Loathing negativity out there. Always thought it was part of the "dorm room movie" canon and that everyone loved Depp's take on Thompson.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 5, 2022 23:07:20 GMT -5
Had no idea there was so much Fear and Loathing negativity out there. Always thought it was part of the "dorm room movie" canon and that everyone loved Depp's take on Thompson. Definite dorm room movie canon. That, Boondock Saints, Family Guy DVDs, ahh the good old days. The odd man out though is Boondock Saints which I hated from the first time I saw it.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2022 23:22:45 GMT -5
Dorm room canon is most of the reason I hate Wes Anderson.
Cross hallway laxbros pumped up about seeing Life Aquatic at the local college town independent, and it sucked ass
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2022 23:24:08 GMT -5
We did get to bond over The Aritocrats, though.
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Post by frankyt on Feb 6, 2022 0:02:18 GMT -5
Fear and loathing translates the books so well.
Is there anyone else on here who hates wes anderson though? I'm not sure it's as dorm core as you think.
Boondocks and family guy - yes.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Feb 6, 2022 0:07:49 GMT -5
I'm firmly in the "No thank you" camp for Wes Anderson.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 6, 2022 6:54:33 GMT -5
I'm in the hate camp. Slowly begrudgingly being pushed to the "ehhh......fine" camp by the movies you guys have forced me to (re)watch.
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