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Post by Dracula on Dec 13, 2020 15:48:26 GMT -5
Delroy Lindo's force-of-nature performance. I don't know if he's the frontrunner for Best Actor, but I know he's in the conversation, and for good reason. He was a frontrunner back in July when nothing else had come out, but the frontrunners now are probably Chadwick Boseman in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom and Anthony Hopkins in The Father.
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Post by frankyt on Jan 16, 2022 12:49:16 GMT -5
People do be expecting James fucking Cameron to fall flat on his face.
Hasn't really happened yet though.
We all gonna be there opening week.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Mar 13, 2022 16:59:57 GMT -5
Time to drop a bomb...
The Handmaiden (2016)
Right now, I can tell that pretty much all you are looking at the rating I'm giving to this and thinking, "What the hell is wrong with you?" Well, allow me to explain.
I feel like when it comes to movie like this that I feel this way overall on, I always fall back on this same phrase, but: I undoubtedly admired this film on a technical level, but on a story one, it didn't really work for me. So, Park Chan-Wook's direction here is impressive and commendable, with immaculate construction, production-wise, and a very strong sense of pace for a film that's 2 1/2 hours in length. Another thing he does that works is that despite making a period piece with this film, Chan-Wook manages to infuse this thing with a decidedly modern energy and sensibilities that eschew the stuffy quality that films like this would normally have. A lot of other people have already called this film almost Hitchcockian in nature, and being a massive fan of Alfred Hitchcock myself, I definitely agree with that. Its narrative twists and turns with a certain panache that only a skilled storyteller could pull off.
But about that narrative...
Here's where my problems come into play. Since watching this movie, I've discussed it with a close friend of mine who feels similarly as I do (which is partly why it took me so long to write this up), and she coined a phrase to describe this story that gets at my issues with it, mostly: Convenient Lesbianism. What I mean by that is, did making the two main female characters of this story lesbians who fall in love strike me as absolutely necessary for the story? And, I'm probably going to incite...spirited debate when I say this, but no. I can pick up on a certain underlying tension between the two characters, sure, but let me put it this way: did it need to be romantic love specifically? Couldn't they have just formed a deep friendship or sisterly bond or something and done the same thing ultimately, with the story largely playing out the same? And my opinion is yes. Part of the core of this story is the bond that these two characters form ultimately motivating them to take matters into their own hands and make their own plan, essentially a con within a con. But again, I just feel like the film could've achieved the same goal if this had simply been a deep platonic friendship or a sisterly relationship. The sex just seemed superfluous in the long run, and the romance a pretty big leap.
Which leads me to another point: I feel like all the sexual perversion that Hidekao's Uncle subjected her to as a child would've turned anybody off of wanting to have a sexual relationship in the future. Like, they'd want nothing to do with it. Not so much "Hey, pretty girl, touch my boobs." So the fact that Hidekao seemed rather unfazed by the idea of sex after all that...okay, that's an interesting aspect of the character that the film could've explored...had it actually devoted screentime to that instead of all the sex scenes that felt like they were masquerading as a deep, meaningful relationship between the two girls. The inclusion of their romance, as well as all of the weird sex stuff and literature that the Uncle was into and sharing with others, felt -- to me -- like they were put in here mostly for the sake of shock value. Which just makes this movie frustrating, because the bare bones of it ARE very solid and promising and intriguing. It's just that it went down a particular path with them that struck me as disingenuous. And if I'm alone in that opinion, so be it.
Oh, and I also think that toward the end, the movie starts to stretch on a bit too much.
I don't imagine I'll make any friends with this review of The Handmaiden, but I have to be honest and true here. I'm genuinely glad that it works so well for so many people...but I'm just not one of them.
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did making the two main female characters of this story lesbians who fall in love strike me as absolutely necessary for the story? And, I'm probably going to incite...spirited debate when I say this, but no. I can pick up on a certain underlying tension between the two characters, sure, but let me put it this way: did it need to be romantic love specifically? Couldn't they have just formed a deep friendship or sisterly bond or something and done the same thing ultimately, with the story largely playing out the same? And my opinion is yes. Part of the core of this story is the bond that these two characters form ultimately motivating them to take matters into their own hands and make their own plan, essentially a con within a con. But again, I just feel like the film could've achieved the same goal if this had simply been a deep platonic friendship or a sisterly relationship. The sex just seemed superfluous in the long run, and the romance a pretty big leap. That's kind of like looking at a movie like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo and going "why did the two central characters need to be straight and attracted to each other? Couldn't they have done the same movie with this people just having a sibling-like bond?" I mean, sure if you were dead set against adding an extra flavor to the mix like that I suppose you could, but why would you? It certainly adds a layer to the theme of rebelling against the repressing mores of the environment and the heteronormativity of the film's central con, but I'm sure if you were dead set on bowdlerizing it you probably could even though it's based on a novel by a woman whose entire career is based around exploring queer themes in the trappings his historical fiction.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 13, 2022 22:16:42 GMT -5
For me, the romance is the heart of the movie. It's such a swerve to go in for a twisty and perverse thriller, get that, but then also get a moving love story. It's shockingly sweet. The actors nail it and the score also plays into that emotion beautifully. That Hideko was a victim of sexual violence in the past makes her relationship with Sook-hee all the more poignant. It's basically a reclamation of her agency, which further enhances the conflict and resolution.
It also leads to the funniest line in the film, when the two are having sex and Sook-hee, thinking Hideko is a chaste virgin is delivering the performance of a lifetime and Sook-hee says "you must be a natural".
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Post by PhantomKnight on Mar 13, 2022 22:43:40 GMT -5
did making the two main female characters of this story lesbians who fall in love strike me as absolutely necessary for the story? And, I'm probably going to incite...spirited debate when I say this, but no. I can pick up on a certain underlying tension between the two characters, sure, but let me put it this way: did it need to be romantic love specifically? Couldn't they have just formed a deep friendship or sisterly bond or something and done the same thing ultimately, with the story largely playing out the same? And my opinion is yes. Part of the core of this story is the bond that these two characters form ultimately motivating them to take matters into their own hands and make their own plan, essentially a con within a con. But again, I just feel like the film could've achieved the same goal if this had simply been a deep platonic friendship or a sisterly relationship. The sex just seemed superfluous in the long run, and the romance a pretty big leap. That's kind of like looking at a movie like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo and going "why did the two central characters need to be straight and attracted to each other? Couldn't they have done the same movie with this people just having a sibling-like bond?" I mean, sure if you were dead set against adding an extra flavor to the mix like that I suppose you could, but why would you? It certainly adds a layer to the theme of rebelling against the repressing mores of the environment and the heteronormativity of the film's central con, but I'm sure if you were dead set on bowdlerizing it you probably could even though it's based on a novel by a woman whose entire career is based around exploring queer themes in the trappings his historical fiction. For me, the romance is the heart of the movie. It's such a swerve to go in for a twisty and perverse thriller, get that, but then also get a moving love story. It's shockingly sweet. The actors nail it and the score also plays into that emotion beautifully. That Hideko was a victim of sexual violence in the past makes her relationship with Sook-hee all the more poignant. It's basically a reclamation of her agency, which further enhances the conflict and resolution. It also leads to the funniest line in the film, when the two are having sex and Sook-hee, thinking Hideko is a chaste virgin is delivering the performance of a lifetime and Sook-hee says "you must be a natural". But that's the thing -- I really wasn't buying into the romance between these two. Sure, there was some sexual tension between them, but once the movie was trying to build an actual romance between them after their initial sex scene, I wasn't feeling that deep connection that the movie clearly wanted me to. Which, again, made the way the rest of the movie played out feel disingenuous and honestly rather unmoving and cold to me.
Which is why I brought up the fact that if it had been framed as a different kind of relationship, maybe it would've been easier for me to buy into.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 14, 2022 7:59:38 GMT -5
That's kind of like looking at a movie like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo and going "why did the two central characters need to be straight and attracted to each other? Couldn't they have done the same movie with this people just having a sibling-like bond?" I mean, sure if you were dead set against adding an extra flavor to the mix like that I suppose you could, but why would you? It certainly adds a layer to the theme of rebelling against the repressing mores of the environment and the heteronormativity of the film's central con, but I'm sure if you were dead set on bowdlerizing it you probably could even though it's based on a novel by a woman whose entire career is based around exploring queer themes in the trappings his historical fiction. For me, the romance is the heart of the movie. It's such a swerve to go in for a twisty and perverse thriller, get that, but then also get a moving love story. It's shockingly sweet. The actors nail it and the score also plays into that emotion beautifully. That Hideko was a victim of sexual violence in the past makes her relationship with Sook-hee all the more poignant. It's basically a reclamation of her agency, which further enhances the conflict and resolution. It also leads to the funniest line in the film, when the two are having sex and Sook-hee, thinking Hideko is a chaste virgin is delivering the performance of a lifetime and Sook-hee says "you must be a natural". But that's the thing -- I really wasn't buying into the romance between these two. Sure, there was some sexual tension between them, but once the movie was trying to build an actual romance between them after their initial sex scene, I wasn't feeling that deep connection that the movie clearly wanted me to. Which, again, made the way the rest of the movie played out feel disingenuous and honestly rather unmoving and cold to me. Which is why I brought up the fact that if it had been framed as a different kind of relationship, maybe it would've been easier for me to buy into.
Maybe, but then you lose a lot of the film's thematic weight. Plus, a story like this regarding women's oppression and repression, both economically and sexually, which involves a close knit relationship between two women is inevitably going to carry queer subtext. It seems to my eyes way more emotionally powerful, and frankly just more fun, if that subtext rises to the level of being text. A love affair also makes the various turns of the con a lot more fraught. The stakes are just a lot higher when you're being betrayed by a lover than by a friend. And I firmly disagree with you on the romance being moving. I think it's beautiful.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Mar 17, 2022 12:30:06 GMT -5
But that's the thing -- I really wasn't buying into the romance between these two. Sure, there was some sexual tension between them, but once the movie was trying to build an actual romance between them after their initial sex scene, I wasn't feeling that deep connection that the movie clearly wanted me to. Which, again, made the way the rest of the movie played out feel disingenuous and honestly rather unmoving and cold to me. Which is why I brought up the fact that if it had been framed as a different kind of relationship, maybe it would've been easier for me to buy into.
Maybe, but then you lose a lot of the film's thematic weight. Plus, a story like this regarding women's oppression and repression, both economically and sexually, which involves a close knit relationship between two women is inevitably going to carry queer subtext. It seems to my eyes way more emotionally powerful, and frankly just more fun, if that subtext rises to the level of being text. A love affair also makes the various turns of the con a lot more fraught. The stakes are just a lot higher when you're being betrayed by a lover than by a friend. And I firmly disagree with you on the romance being moving. I think it's beautiful. Again, I dunno, I just wasn't feeling it. I'm aware that it's based on a novel, set in Victorian London, and another criticism I have with the romance as portrayed in the film is that it feels kind of rushed. I have a feeling that the novel, Fingersmith, might fix that for me -- and if nothing else, I'm honestly fascinated to read the book now -- because it may give me the development and progression I personally felt was missing from the movie. To me, it felt like the film was all too eager to get to the lesbianism, at the expense of selling that progression in a natural way.
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Reading through this thread to kill time on a long car ride...I kinda like Moulin Rouge now.
Also Nixon might be my favourite Oliver Stone movie. I'd like to rewatch JFK but good lord is Nixon amazing.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 7, 2022 14:15:33 GMT -5
Also Nixon might be my favourite Oliver Stone movie. I'd like to rewatch JFK but good lord is Nixon amazing.
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Six Days Seven Nights, the 1998 Harrison Ford/Anne Heche movie, would be a Netflix film these days. Except it’d be cheaper, shot on shitty digital cameras and lack charm and sense-of-humor. Or worse. It would be a broad Adam Sandler style comedy. I spent a good 5 minutes looking for this post yesterday. I could’ve sworn I wrote a “review” for it and had a discussion about it with SnoBorderZero in which PhantomKnight chimed in , but nope , just a throwaway post in a hot take thread. Anyway… R.I.P. Anne Heche. She’s dead, right?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 15, 2022 12:47:18 GMT -5
I spent a good 5 minutes looking for this post yesterday. I could’ve sworn I wrote a “review” for it and had a discussion about it with SnoBorderZero in which PhantomKnight chimed in , but nope , just a throwaway post in a hot take thread. Anyway… R.I.P. Anne Heche. She’s dead, right? She is now. Damn. Wild.
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I spent a good 5 minutes looking for this post yesterday. I could’ve sworn I wrote a “review” for it and had a discussion about it with SnoBorderZero in which PhantomKnight chimed in , but nope , just a throwaway post in a hot take thread. Anyway… R.I.P. Anne Heche. She’s dead, right? She is now. Damn. Wild.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 28, 2023 0:47:39 GMT -5
Call me crazy... Again... But To Die For, starring Nicole Kidman, is a shit movie. I respected it in High School, but now that I know the real life story - thanks to Captivated, the HBO documentary - I think the "fictional version" is a step-down. I was too harsh 9 years ago. It’s a good movie. Maybe even great.
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 30, 2023 1:02:43 GMT -5
I recently watched Cleopatra for the first time, I actually did it before I even knew there was that Netflix show coming out. I quite enjoyed it, a lot more than I thought I would. Rex Harrison was fantastic and really stood out and even at 4 hours I felt it quite intriguing seeing that it's much more of a story about the Roman political plays rather than seiges and battles. It was also very evident that the massive budget was left on screen. You could tell when things were actual sets or actual ships or actual buildings rather than matte paintings or models. A lot of that stuff was practical which made a lot of it look good. Sure there could have been some stuff left on the cutting room floor but it was a solid watch all around.
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Post by frankyt on May 2, 2023 17:00:09 GMT -5
Swingers is just meh.
The whole clubbing scene with the big band swing bullshit is so harshly dated it's almost embarrassing.
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Swingers is just meh. The whole clubbing scene with the big band swing bullshit is so harshly dated it's almost embarrassing. Yeah, but the Vegas bit is classic.
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Post by Neverending on May 3, 2023 2:47:15 GMT -5
Swingers is just meh. The whole clubbing scene with the big band swing bullshit is so harshly dated it's almost embarrassing. Yeah, but the Vegas bit is classic. Swingers was a movie that impacted me as a teenager. I’m scared to revisit that telephone scene. Some things are best left in the past, like Doomsday’s tenure on Boba Fett.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 19, 2023 2:41:15 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero, when can we uncancel Bryan Singer? I think Christopher McQuarrie and him can pull off another Usual Suspects.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 19, 2023 14:45:11 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero , when can we uncancel Bryan Singer? I think Christopher McQuarrie and him can pull off another Usual Suspects. Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey in the same clip you want to use for uncancelling him. Bold choice, sir. Bold choice.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 8, 2023 11:20:48 GMT -5
I rewatched Bringing Up Baby yesterday for the first time in 15 or 20 years, it was fine but I wasn't over the moon for it. There are certainly better Cary Grant screwball comedies and Katharine Hepburn's character was a borderline moron, why would anyone fall in love with her after she spends the entire time deliberately ruining Cary Grant's life? Then at the end he just says 'alright fine I give up I'm in love with you.' I dunno, I can see why some people love it but I found myself checking my watch every so often. I watched Aresenic and Old Lace recently and I think that's the better comedy, it's script is tight and flows easier. I owe Philadelphia Story a rewatch and I'll get around to that in the next couple weeks so I'll see how that holds up.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 8, 2023 11:29:32 GMT -5
I rewatched Bringing Up Baby yesterday for the first time in 15 or 20 years, it was fine but I wasn't over the moon for it. There are certainly better Cary Grant screwball comedies and Katharine Hepburn's character was a borderline moron, why would anyone fall in love with her after she spends the entire time deliberately ruining Cary Grant's life? Then at the end he just says 'alright fine I give up I'm in love with you.' I dunno, I can see why some people love it but I found myself checking my watch every so often. I watched Aresenic and Old Lace recently and I think that's the better comedy, it's script is tight and flows easier. I owe Philadelphia Story a rewatch and I'll get around to that in the next couple weeks so I'll see how that holds up. IanTheCool reading this:
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