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Post by frankyt on May 26, 2018 0:00:30 GMT -5
The star wars movies are basically house money. The worst ones are behind them. You just have to be slightly better than a poorly made student film. It's easy paint by numbers at this point.
I can not for the life of me understand dracs love of the third prequel, or anyone for that matter. People act like it ties everything together so nicely. It doesn't. It has the same glaring flaws as the ones prior to it. Everything made since then has been meh to pretty solid.
It's like the mission impossible films. Just go watch the second one then try to argue the latest ones are that bad. Lowered the bar so far that anything can reach it and blow by and make you think these aren't so bad, but they aren't great, just better in comparison.
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Post by Doomsday on May 26, 2018 0:32:50 GMT -5
I'll never understand the love for Mission Impossible 4 (Ghost Protocol). It's a very bland action movie with only a couple good scenes attempting to outweigh a lame plot and a nonexistent villain. 3 is great though and 5 is really good too.
As for Star Wars, I'm getting tired of it. All of it. People love the first three and think they're the best, that isn't worth arguing. The prequels are pretty terrible on most levels. The only reason Episode III gets cut any slack is because it has some pretty cool stuff in it but it's still plagued by horrible acting and worse writing, those things are just diluted by the action and carnage. The new ones are fun but add nothing and I doubt any future Star Wars movies will either. What society needs to realize is that the entire Star Wars franchise on the whole is pretty mediocre. We still hold it to these lofty standards but forget that only a couple are really great movies, all rest range from pretty good to terrible.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 26, 2018 8:25:07 GMT -5
Speaking only for myself, I quite like Ghost Protocol for it's plucky "gee whiz!" spirit and it's shamelessly absurd tech-sporting spy adventure. Also while it's still Tom Cruise doing to the Tom Cruise thing, out of all the Mission movies it comes closest to replicating the team comradre of the original series.
I also thought it just might have been the best Imax experience I've ever had.
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Post by FShuttari on May 26, 2018 13:11:04 GMT -5
Edit: This was a reply to frankyt, forgot to tag your last post.
My biggest issue with "Force Awakens" was that it lacked any originality, a new death star, death of a mentor in the hands of the villains (much like "A New Hope") family issue where another skywalker needs to be turned to the good side. I just didn't see anything new to Star Wars accept the effects looked better? But the prequels kind of did that with better light saber fights, and dog fights in space. "The Last Jedi" adds more to what the force is, what it can do, it feels like were actually getting new intake on what it means to be a hero, I absolutely loved that Reys parents didn't matter and they were nobodys, the fact that the force can choose people to be a jedi, who are poor and not some royalty family of the skywalkers had me intrigued. Now I know some star wars fans bitched that it did things way to differently, they want there precious Star Wars to look and feel exactly like the original films. I for one am against that mindset, I'll be bored to tears if we keep getting the same movies over and over again. I want to challenged and given something new and fresh to the Star Wars universe. I know the outcry was loud for "The Last Jedi" and having JJ back as a director, has me less interested again. Since I know he'll go back to making the next movie feel like the original trilogy once again. So I have less hope for the sequel.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 26, 2018 14:06:00 GMT -5
I admire what The Last Jedi tries to do but I think it fumbles the ball in a number of pretty basic ways pertaining to pacing and tone. I've actually wanted to do a video on the topic, but the fanbase and debate is so annoying I keep putting it off.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 26, 2018 14:39:26 GMT -5
Edit: This was a reply to frankyt , forgot to tag your last post.
My biggest issue with "Force Awakens" was that it lacked any originality\ Hot take!
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Post by Dracula on May 26, 2018 15:52:10 GMT -5
Edit: This was a reply to frankyt , forgot to tag your last post.
My biggest issue with "Force Awakens" was that it lacked any originality, a new death star, death of a mentor in the hands of the villains (much like "A New Hope") family issue where another skywalker needs to be turned to the good side. I just didn't see anything new to Star Wars accept the effects looked better? But the prequels kind of did that with better light saber fights, and dog fights in space. "The Last Jedi" adds more to what the force is, what it can do, it feels like were actually getting new intake on what it means to be a hero, I absolutely loved that Reys parents didn't matter and they were nobodys, the fact that the force can choose people to be a jedi, who are poor and not some royalty family of the skywalkers had me intrigued. Now I know some star wars fans bitched that it did things way to differently, they want there precious Star Wars to look and feel exactly like the original films. I for one am against that mindset, I'll be bored to tears if we keep getting the same movies over and over again. I want to challenged and given something new and fresh to the Star Wars universe. I know the outcry was loud for "The Last Jedi" and having JJ back as a director, has me less interested again. Since I know he'll go back to making the next movie feel like the original trilogy once again. So I have less hope for the sequel. I had problems with the lack of originality in TFA too, but there is a happy middle-ground between copying one of the old films scene-for-scene and radically re-writing all the rules of Star Wars just for the sake of being different. The Last Jedi did the latter. It didn't make our understanding of the force different so much as it just ignored everything that came before and contradicted all the rules we know without explanation in the sloppiest way possible.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2018 14:48:56 GMT -5
I'm well aware that it's a stupid movie, so call me crazy...but I still enjoy Armageddon. Part of it may be nostalgia, but to me, it's an enjoyably dumb blockbuster.
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Post by Doomsday on May 28, 2018 14:52:18 GMT -5
I'm well aware that it's a stupid movie, so call me crazy...but I still enjoy Armageddon. Part of it may be nostalgia, but to me, it's an enjoyably dumb blockbuster. I haven't watched it in years and years but this scene still makes me laugh. GET THE BOOK! GET THE BOOK!
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2018 15:22:33 GMT -5
One of the things that's, well, creepy about the movie now is that at the end of the opening sequence in New York, there's a sweeping shot showing all the destruction that includes the World Trade Center and it looks EXACTLY like 9/11.
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Post by Doomsday on May 28, 2018 15:30:13 GMT -5
Roger Ebert has different thoughts.
Here it is at last, the first 150-minute trailer. "Armageddon" is cut together like its own highlights. Take almost any 30 seconds at random, and you'd have a TV ad. The movie is an assault on the eyes, the ears, the brain, common sense and the human desire to be entertained. No matter what they're charging to get in, it's worth more to get out.
The plot covers many of the same bases as the recent "Deep Impact," which, compared with "Armageddon," belongs on the American Film Institute list. The movie tells a similar story at fast-forward speed, with Bruce Willis as an oil driller who is recruited to lead two teams on an emergency shuttle mission to an asteroid "the size of Texas," which is about to crash into Earth and obliterate all life--"even viruses!" Their job: Drill an 800-foot hole and stuff a bomb into it, to blow up the asteroid before it kills us.
OK, say you do succeed in blowing up an asteroid the size of Texas. What if a piece the size of Dallas is left? Wouldn't that be big enough to destroy life on Earth? What about a piece the size of Austin? Let's face it: Even an object the size of that big Wal-Mart outside Abilene would pretty much clean us out, if you count the parking lot.
Texas is a big state, but as a celestial object, it wouldn't be able to generate much gravity. Yet when the astronauts get to the asteroid, they walk around on it as if the gravity is the same as on Earth. There's no sensation of weightlessness--until it's needed, that is, and then a lunar buggy flies across a jagged canyon, Evel Knievel-style.
The movie begins with a Charlton Heston narration telling us about the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. Then we get the masterful title card, "65 Million Years Later." The next scenes show an amateur astronomer spotting the object. We see top-level meetings at the Pentagon and in the White House. We meet Billy Bob Thornton, head of Mission Control in Houston, which apparently functions like a sports bar with a big screen for the fans, but no booze. Then we see ordinary people whose lives will be Changed Forever by the events to come. This stuff is all off the shelf--there's hardly an original idea in the movie.
"Armageddon" reportedly used the services of nine writers. Why did it need any? The dialogue is either shouted one-liners or romantic drivel. "It's gonna blow!" is used so many times, I wonder if every single writer used it once, and then sat back from his word processor with a contented smile on his face, another day's work done.
Disaster movies always have little vignettes of everyday life. The dumbest in "Armageddon" involves two Japanese tourists in a New York taxi. After meteors turn an entire street into a flaming wasteland, the woman complains, "I want to go shopping!" I hope in Japan that line is redubbed as "Nothing can save us but Gamera!" Meanwhile, we wade through a romantic subplot involving Liv Tyler and Ben Affleck. Liv plays Bruce Willis' daughter. Ben is Willis' best driller (now, now). Bruce finds Liv in Ben's bunk on an oil platform and chases Ben all over the rig, trying to shoot him. (You would think the crew would be preoccupied by the semi-destruction of Manhattan, but it's never mentioned after it happens.) Helicopters arrive to take Willis to the mainland so he can head up the mission to save mankind, etc., and he insists on using only crews from his own rig--especially Affleck, who is "like a son." That means Liv and Ben have a heart-rending parting scene. What is it about cinematographers and Liv Tyler? She is a beautiful young woman, but she's always being photographed while flat on her back, with her brassiere riding up around her chin and lots of wrinkles in her neck from trying to see what some guy is doing. (In this case, Affleck is tickling her navel with animal crackers.) Tyler is obviously a beneficiary of Take Your Daughter to Work Day. She's not only on the oil rig, but she attends training sessions with her dad and her boyfriend, hangs out in Mission Control and walks onto landing strips right next to guys wearing foil suits.
Characters in this movie actually say: "I wanted to say ... that I'm sorry," "We're not leaving them behind!," "Guys--the clock is ticking!" and "This has turned into a surrealistic nightmare!" Steve Buscemi, a crew member who is diagnosed with "space dementia," looks at the asteroid's surface and adds "This place is like Dr. Seuss' worst nightmare." Quick--which Seuss book is he thinking of? There are several Red Digital Readout scenes, in which bombs tick down to zero. Do bomb designers do that for the convenience of interested onlookers who happen to be standing next to a bomb? There's even a retread of the classic scene where they're trying to disconnect the timer, and they have to decide whether to cut the red wire or the blue wire. The movie has forgotten that *this is not a terrorist bomb,* but a standard-issue U.S. military bomb, being defused by a military guy who is on board specifically because he knows about this bomb. A guy like that, the first thing he should know is, red or blue? "Armageddon" is loud, ugly and fragmented. Action sequences are cut together at bewildering speed out of hundreds of short edits, so that we can't see for sure what's happening, or how, or why. Important special-effects shots (such as the asteroid) have a murkiness of detail, and the movie cuts away before we get a good look. The few "dramatic" scenes consist of the sonorous recitation of ancient cliches. Only near the end, when every second counts, does the movie slow down: Life on Earth is about to end, but the hero delays saving the planet in order to recite cornball farewell platitudes.
Staggering into the silence of the theater lobby after the ordeal was over, I found a big poster that was fresh off the presses with the quotes of junket blurbsters. "It will obliterate your senses!" reports David Gillin, who obviously writes autobiographically. "It will suck the air right out of your lungs!" vows Diane Kaminsky.
If it does, consider it a mercy killing.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 28, 2018 15:34:54 GMT -5
Disaster movies always have little vignettes of everyday life. The dumbest in "Armageddon" involves two Japanese tourists in a New York taxi. After meteors turn an entire street into a flaming wasteland, the woman complains, "I want to go shopping!" I hope in Japan that line is redubbed as "Nothing can save us but Gamera!" I lol'd.
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Post by Dracula on May 28, 2018 15:39:09 GMT -5
Armageddon is an objectively bad movie but it isn't soulless like some of the blockbusters today. Michael Bay was at least going for something visually, which is probably the only real defense I can make about most of his movies. Beyond that it's stupid as hell.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2018 16:00:57 GMT -5
Like I said, it's undeniably stupid, but what saves it for me is that it DOES have heart. Through all the Bay-isms that started to show up in it, I still care about what happens. I don't know whether to chalk that up to the script or the charisma of the cast.
Trevor Rabin's score helps, too.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 28, 2018 16:04:23 GMT -5
I'm with Ebert.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2018 16:10:30 GMT -5
Snobs. All of ya.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 28, 2018 17:19:11 GMT -5
Snobs. All of ya. If it makes you feel better, Doomsday made Geostorm. You can't take that away from him. I, however, find that if I ever watch Armageddon again (which is admittedly unlikely, unless the Matthew Elliot riff comes up in my Rifftrax rotation) I might enhance the experience by pretending it's a Gamera movie. Now if you don't mind I'm going to watch a bad movie through a silly puppet show and then blog about it.
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Post by Jibbs on May 28, 2018 17:23:47 GMT -5
GET THE BOOK! GET THE BOOK! GET THE BOOK!!
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2018 18:45:29 GMT -5
Snobs. All of ya. If it makes you feel better, Doomsday made Geostorm. You can't take that away from him. I, however, find that if I ever watch Armageddon again (which is admittedly unlikely, unless the Matthew Elliot riff comes up in my Rifftrax rotation) I might enhance the experience by pretending it's a Gamera movie. Now if you don't mind I'm going to watch a bad movie through a silly puppet show and then blog about it. Well, hey, this past weekend I not only re-watched Armageddon, I also re-watched Taxi Driver. So I made sure to balance it out.
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Post by Deexan on May 28, 2018 19:35:45 GMT -5
Reservoir Dogs is the film that changed my life. I'm just still figuring out how to explain why for Doomsday's thread...
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 28, 2018 21:10:37 GMT -5
Reservoir Dogs is the film that changed my life. I'm just still figuring out how to explain why for Doomsday 's thread... Because it's the film that convinced you that your dream to become an undercover police officer was a terrible idea?
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Post by Doomsday on May 28, 2018 21:55:32 GMT -5
Reservoir Dogs is the film that changed my life. I'm just still figuring out how to explain why for Doomsday 's thread... Because it's the film that convinced you that your dream to become an undercover police officer was a terrible idea? Only undercover? Even the beat cop got royally fucked up in that movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 28, 2018 22:10:32 GMT -5
Snobs. All of ya. I just made a 25 minute pro-Kevin Smith video.
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