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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 22, 2016 12:51:13 GMT -5
Scorsese is still in top form. If you go backwards, you can mock him for Kundun, The Age of Innocence and New York New York. You can even take some shots at Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. I haven't seen New York New York, but I like all the other films listed to some degree. None of them are masterpieces, but they're all perfectly solid and I like seeing Scorsese dabble in other types of movies.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 22, 2016 13:31:03 GMT -5
If you go backwards, you can mock him for Kundun, The Age of Innocence and New York New York. You can even take some shots at Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. I haven't seen New York New York, but I like all the other films listed to some degree. None of them are masterpieces, but they're all perfectly solid and I like seeing Scorsese dabble in other types of movies. LOL. There's no way you like Kundun. Even Scorsese makes fun of that movie. If New York New York is his 1941, Kundun is his Always.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 22, 2016 13:34:42 GMT -5
One that wears me thin nowadays is Gangs of New York. I remember being pissed it didn't win any Oscars back in the day but I'm glad it didn't win any now. That shelf life is not long.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 22, 2016 13:46:53 GMT -5
One that wears me thin nowadays is Gangs of New York. I remember being pissed it didn't win any Oscars back in the day but I'm glad it didn't win any now. That shelf life is not long. I saw it once - in theaters. I remember the Kill Bill trailer premiered with that movie and everyone said, "what the fuck" during the 'trixs are for kids' scene. Anyway, that movie had the misfortune of being made during Leo DiCaprio's transition from Titanic to respectable actor. I think Gangs of New York and The Aviator suffered from people not taking Leo seriously yet. Don't misunderstand me, the movies made money and won awards, but like you said, the shelf life wasn't long. The Departed was the turning point, but even that movie hasn't aged too well. It was my favorite movie of 2006, but now, I don't know if its even in my Top 10. The ending was total bullshit and kind-of ruined the whole thing.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 22, 2016 15:54:08 GMT -5
I'm with you on Departed. I watched it a year ago and I felt like it just tries really, really hard.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 22, 2016 16:07:59 GMT -5
I haven't seen New York New York, but I like all the other films listed to some degree. None of them are masterpieces, but they're all perfectly solid and I like seeing Scorsese dabble in other types of movies. LOL. There's no way you like Kundun. Even Scorsese makes fun of that movie. If New York New York is his 1941, Kundun is his Always. Why would I lie about liking Kundun? One that wears me thin nowadays is Gangs of New York. I remember being pissed it didn't win any Oscars back in the day but I'm glad it didn't win any now. That shelf life is not long. It's a very flawed movie, but the stuff that works is pretty great. I love the production and Daniel Day-Lewis is fucking awesome. One that wears me thin nowadays is Gangs of New York. I remember being pissed it didn't win any Oscars back in the day but I'm glad it didn't win any now. That shelf life is not long. I saw it once - in theaters. I remember the Kill Bill trailer premiered with that movie and everyone said, "what the fuck" during the 'trixs are for kids' scene. Anyway, that movie had the misfortune of being made during Leo DiCaprio's transition from Titanic to respectable actor. I think Gangs of New York and The Aviator suffered from people not taking Leo seriously yet. Don't misunderstand me, the movies made money and won awards, but like you said, the shelf life wasn't long. The Departed was the turning point, but even that movie hasn't aged too well. It was my favorite movie of 2006, but now, I don't know if its even in my Top 10. The ending was total bullshit and kind-of ruined the whole thing. I'm with you on Departed. I watched it a year ago and I felt like it just tries really, really hard. The Departed is great.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jan 22, 2016 17:56:28 GMT -5
Man, I watched the Departed not too long ago and thought "you know, this movie is still really great."
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 27, 2016 19:47:43 GMT -5
*Both of these reviews are based on first time viewings. Robocop 2 (1990)The Robocop sequels have always seemed to be entirely disposable and after seeing Robocop 2 it's easy to see why. I will say this; the film isn't hurting for ideas. The satirical advertisements from the first film reappear, there are still themes of corporatization, and Murphy's humanity is dwelled on. However none of these ideas are as fleshed out as they could have been and they end up falling flat. The notion of Murphy's lost humanity in particular is totally disregarded. The few ideas the film does run with are pretty dumb, notably a little kid being one of the central villain's and the third act involving OCP putting a drug addicted psychopath's brain in a giant robot (which of course, Robocop spends the rest of the film fighting). The film awkwardly jumps from one half-baked concept to the next while developing a dull plot about some drug dealers. The film lacks much of the humanity that helped the original and while satirical elements are present (and even funny) they aren't nearly as sharp as they were under Verhoeven's hand. DPopeye (1980)Popeye was a bomb in 1980, one that played a part in Robert Altman being ghettoized from Hollywood for a decade, but the film has slowly gained a fan base over the years. The film is a musical comedy that attempts to adapt the tone and style of the cartoon to live-action, meaning we get zany characters, exaggerated motion, and weird sound effects, but all set in a fairly real environment and with a larger still camera. The results are interesting, I suppose. I can't say the film to be particularly funny and the story is pretty weak (and also ends on a climax involving a ridiculously fake looking Octopus) but the film does have a sort of off-beat charm. It's a unique little movie, with Robin Williams and Shelley Duvall giving very fun performances in Popeye and Olive Oyl. I can't call Popeye a good film, but I do kind of see the appeal. C-
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 27, 2016 20:36:51 GMT -5
RoboCop 2 is just so dark and gloomy and depressing. I wanted to take a shower after watching it.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 27, 2016 21:33:15 GMT -5
I watched the Robocop movies as a kid - the luxury of being unsupervised. When I re-watched them in high school, I encountered a SHOCKING revelation. I had never seen Robocop. My entire memory of Robocop was Robocop 2 and my entire memory of Robocop 2 was Robocop 3. In my mind, I filed a 3rd Robocop movie that never existed.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 28, 2016 11:21:20 GMT -5
I watched the Robocop movies as a kid - the luxury of being unsupervised. When I re-watched them in high school, I encountered a SHOCKING revelation. I had never seen Robocop. My entire memory of Robocop was Robocop 2 and my entire memory of Robocop 2 was Robocop 3. In my mind, I filed a 3rd Robocop movie that never existed. Dude....
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 28, 2016 11:49:07 GMT -5
I watched the Robocop movies as a kid - the luxury of being unsupervised. When I re-watched them in high school, I encountered a SHOCKING revelation. I had never seen Robocop. My entire memory of Robocop was Robocop 2 and my entire memory of Robocop 2 was Robocop 3. In my mind, I filed a 3rd Robocop movie that never existed. Dude.... Yeah, what....?
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 2, 2016 12:14:41 GMT -5
Mulholland Drive (2001)*This is actually a highly acclaimed film, but one I used to hate and wanted to revisit.I straight-up hated Mulholland Drive when I first saw it as a teenager and knew pretty early on I should revisit it. Watching it again now, I have a stronger appreciation of the film and I got a lot more out of the film's dream logic. That isn't to say I totally understand the film, but I think I have some grip on what's going on. This has also revealed to me that my reasons for disliking Mulholland Drive aren't really related to not understanding. At the end of the day, I just find Mulholland Drive to be a boring slog. This is in part due to the style David Lynch employs, wherein the acting is pretty hokey and the cinematography isn't very aesthetically pleasing. I get that these are deliberate choices which are meant to enhance the dream logic, but I still find watching it to be somewhat infuriating. I get why people love this film and I certainly respect the hell out of it. Unfortunately, I can't say it really works for me. I probably will revisit this film again at one point or another, but I think I'm gonna have to accept that I just don't like this movie. D+I expect to be criticized for this.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 2, 2016 12:25:30 GMT -5
Those are pretty much my thoughts on Eraserhead.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 2, 2016 13:26:09 GMT -5
Well I completely disagree, Mulholland Drive is one of the best films of the 21st century. I've only grown to admire it more with each subsequent viewing. Blue Velvet is more approachable, but I think this has surpassed it as Lynch's masterpiece.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 2, 2016 17:29:52 GMT -5
Well I completely disagree, Mulholland Drive is one of the best films of the 21st century. I've only grown to admire it more with each subsequent viewing. Blue Velvet is more approachable, but I think this has surpassed it as Lynch's masterpiece. I definitely prefer Blue Velvet and The Elephant Man.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 2, 2016 17:51:10 GMT -5
Well I completely disagree, Mulholland Drive is one of the best films of the 21st century. I've only grown to admire it more with each subsequent viewing. Blue Velvet is more approachable, but I think this has surpassed it as Lynch's masterpiece. I definitely prefer Blue Velvet and The Elephant Man. Those are my three favorites of his, definitely his top tier films. I am also a big fan of Lynch, the only movie of his I don't like is Dune, and he hates that movie too.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 22, 2016 16:02:20 GMT -5
Always (1989)
Steven Spielberg had a pretty nice run in the 1980s. In a timespan of a few short years he gave us three Indiana Jones movies, E.T., Empire of the Sun, The Color Purple and Poltergeist more or less. He rounded out the decade with Always, a movie that's, well a little different than the others. It's smaller, somber and takes Spielberg into the arena of romance, something he never really touched and hasn't much waded into since. It might be for the best as Always is a choppy, unbalanced movie that never seemed focused from the beginning and ultimately fails to find its footing. The idea is there, it just doesn't hit the right notes when it needs to.
Richard Dreyfuss reunites with Spielberg as he plays Pete, a pilot whose second love is Dorinda (Holly Hunter) and first love is fighting forest fires from his airplane. One day while on the job he gives his life while saving that of his friend Al (John Goodman). Pete wakes up to find himself a ghost of sorts and is given instruction by Hap (Audrey Hepburn in her final on-screen role). He is told that he is now to help guide others and be an 'inspiration' and driving force for the living. Basically he would put thoughts in peoples' heads and they would think the thoughts are their own which is where such inspiration comes from. He finds himself guiding a fellow pilot named Ted who quickly crosses paths with Dorinda and the two fall in love. Pete must then watch as their love crushes him before realizing that he is no longer among the living and that his job is to make their lives better while they're still on earth.
Always is a weird movie to absorb. My first question is what part of the country has enormous wildfires every day? Aside from that the movie tries to have this deep, dramatic tone while offsetting it with some humor spread throughout so it doesn't get TOO depressing. These elements however don't play off each other, they wear each other down. Ted's character is written as this dreamy, good looking hunk while also being a huge idiot and a lonely, lovelorn fellow all at the same time. Pete also is confused, hopeful then dedicated yet there's no natural progression, they're just sporadic feelings that he goes through because that's what's written in the script. That's what prevents Always from succeeding, it tries to be too many things all at once. And that even touch on the ridiculous ending.
In case it interested you, Always is one of the only Spielberg movies I had yet to watch and noticed that it was recently put on Netflix streaming.
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Post by Justin on Jun 22, 2016 17:25:36 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of Lynch and Mulholland Drive, yet I totally get your feelings towards it.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 22, 2016 17:53:37 GMT -5
Always (1989) Steven Spielberg had a pretty nice run in the 1980s. In a timespan of a few short years he gave us three Indiana Jones movies, E.T., Empire of the Sun, The Color Purple and Poltergeist more or less. He rounded out the decade with Always, a movie that's, well a little different than the others. It's smaller, somber and takes Spielberg into the arena of romance, something he never really touched and hasn't much waded into since. It might be for the best as Always is a choppy, unbalanced movie that never seemed focused from the beginning and ultimately fails to find its footing. The idea is there, it just doesn't hit the right notes when it needs to. Richard Dreyfuss reunites with Spielberg as he plays Pete, a pilot whose second love is Dorinda (Holly Hunter) and first love is fighting forest fires from his airplane. One day while on the job he gives his life while saving that of his friend Al (John Goodman). Pete wakes up to find himself a ghost of sorts and is given instruction by Hap (Audrey Hepburn in her final on-screen role). He is told that he is now to help guide others and be an 'inspiration' and driving force for the living. Basically he would put thoughts in peoples' heads and they would think the thoughts are their own which is where such inspiration comes from. He finds himself guiding a fellow pilot named Ted who quickly crosses paths with Dorinda and the two fall in love. Pete must then watch as their love crushes him before realizing that he is no longer among the living and that his job is to make their lives better while they're still on earth. Always is a weird movie to absorb. My first question is what part of the country has enormous wildfires every day? Aside from that the movie tries to have this deep, dramatic tone while offsetting it with some humor spread throughout so it doesn't get TOO depressing. These elements however don't play off each other, they wear each other down. Ted's character is written as this dreamy, good looking hunk while also being a huge idiot and a lonely, lovelorn fellow all at the same time. Pete also is confused, hopeful then dedicated yet there's no natural progression, they're just sporadic feelings that he goes through because that's what's written in the script. That's what prevents Always from succeeding, it tries to be too many things all at once. And that even touch on the ridiculous ending. In case it interested you, Always is one of the only Spielberg movies I had yet to watch and noticed that it was recently put on Netflix streaming. C so says Doomsday Always is, probably, Spielberg's worst movie. 1941 is bad, but at least it's interesting. The Color Purple is uneven, but it means well. The Lost World has the dinosaur roaming around Burbank, excuse me, San Diego. So unless you wanna make a strong argument for War Horse, Always is the most forgettable movie Spielberg ever made. I've seen the movie twice. Once in my teens and once now as an adult and both times I was just bored.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 22, 2016 18:25:18 GMT -5
New York, New YorkNew York, New York is mostly known as something of a bomb (which isn't entirely fair) and one of the few out and out failures in Martin Scorsese's career. The film is certainly a mess, but I'm not sure it deserves such a harsh reputation. The stylized sets are often a lot of fun and Scorsese's ability to move a camera certainly helps a lot. I also think Robert De Niro's power as an actor does come through. Finally, the big musical climax really does deliver in a major way. However I also can't deny the bulk of this film isn't all that great. The story is a bit of a mess which goes on far too long. Additionally, I'm not sure Scorsese's mixture of dark drama and old school Hollywood musical works fully. The early meet-cute stuff in particular feels more dark and uncomfortable than funny. Still, I can't help but think this film gets more hate than it deserves. It really isn't that bad and, if nothing else, is certainly better than Spielberg's comparable late 70s flop 1941. C
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Post by Neverending on Jun 22, 2016 18:30:38 GMT -5
New York, New YorkNew York, New York is mostly known as something of a bomb (which isn't entirely fair) and one of the few out and out failures in Martin Scorsese's career. The film is certainly a mess, but I'm not sure it deserves such a harsh reputation. The stylized sets are often a lot of fun and Scorsese's ability to move a camera certainly helps a lot. I also think Robert De Niro's power as an actor does come through. Finally, the big musical climax really does deliver in a major way. However I also can't deny the bulk of this film isn't all that great. The story is a bit of a mess which goes on far too long. Additionally, I'm not sure Scorsese's mixture of dark drama and old school Hollywood musical works fully. The early meet-cute stuff in particular feels more dark and uncomfortable than funny. Still, I can't help but think this film gets more hate than it deserves. It really isn't that bad and, if nothing else, is certainly better than Spielberg's comparable late 70s flop 1941. C New York New York is a piece of shit. It makes Kundun look like Citizen Kane.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 22, 2016 19:10:54 GMT -5
New York, New YorkNew York, New York is mostly known as something of a bomb (which isn't entirely fair) and one of the few out and out failures in Martin Scorsese's career. The film is certainly a mess, but I'm not sure it deserves such a harsh reputation. The stylized sets are often a lot of fun and Scorsese's ability to move a camera certainly helps a lot. I also think Robert De Niro's power as an actor does come through. Finally, the big musical climax really does deliver in a major way. However I also can't deny the bulk of this film isn't all that great. The story is a bit of a mess which goes on far too long. Additionally, I'm not sure Scorsese's mixture of dark drama and old school Hollywood musical works fully. The early meet-cute stuff in particular feels more dark and uncomfortable than funny. Still, I can't help but think this film gets more hate than it deserves. It really isn't that bad and, if nothing else, is certainly better than Spielberg's comparable late 70s flop 1941. C New York New York is a piece of shit. It makes Kundun look like Citizen Kane. Kundun is the better film.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 22, 2016 20:52:58 GMT -5
Kundun isn't even bad, on a technical level it's highly impressive. It's the script and weak narrative that brings the film down, but it's still a solid albeit outlier entry for Scorsese.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 14, 2016 1:42:14 GMT -5
The Toy (1982) is an amazing movie.
I get the hate. I really do. A rich white man buys a black man. You're dealing with a dangerous subject here. But the movie isn't exactly ignorant of that. Race AND class are a big part of the story. But neither are the reason why the movie works. They're just there to justify the plot.
The reason The Toy is good is because the characters are sincere. Richard Pryor DOESN'T want to be a toy. He just needs the money - and it's good money too. $10,000 is $10,000. But he isn't an asshole either. He isn't gonna treat the kid like a piece of shit. He's gonna at least try to be a good role model. And the kid CAN be an asshole sometimes, but look at the environment he's growing up in. But at least he tries to change his attitude. That's really what's at the core of The Toy. These are people that mean well. They don't always do the right thing and there's a lot of ignorance, but no one is inherently a bad person. In this current climate, where people like to look at things in black & white (I don't mean race), The Toy has good lessons to teach.
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