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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 5, 2021 12:47:54 GMT -5
So, if Wanda decided to punish Agatha by trapping her in the Hex, but then destroys the Hex ten minutes later, where is Agatha? My guess is the hex closed up into a sort of pocket dimension. Agatha is trapped in a little world with make believe Vision and two kids. Two things: 1. "GIVE ME ALL YOUR POWER!" 2. "You will bring about the end of the world!" Anyway, dug the finale. Loved the Wizard of Oz dig with Agatha's boots, and loved the name drop that Wanda shouldn't be more powerful than "the Sorcerer Supreme." That tease got me super excited for Multiverse of Madness. Looks like Wanda is going to tear some shit up.
I'm curious what happened to White Vision. He just kind of wandered off. Also that first credit tag was interesting. I'm curious if it's setting up Secret Invasion.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 5, 2021 18:44:19 GMT -5
So, if Wanda decided to punish Agatha by trapping her in the Hex, but then destroys the Hex ten minutes later, where is Agatha? Wanda's punishment isn't to trap Agatha inside The Hex. It was to trap her into the role of the Nosy Neighbor in the real Westview. That was my take on it, anyway.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 5, 2021 18:46:15 GMT -5
So, if Wanda decided to punish Agatha by trapping her in the Hex, but then destroys the Hex ten minutes later, where is Agatha? My guess is the hex closed up into a sort of pocket dimension. Agatha is trapped in a little world with make believe Vision and two kids. Nah. She’s just the town looney now.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 5, 2021 18:58:53 GMT -5
I enjoyed the series a great deal, and will definitely be giving it a re-watch. The assertion that WandaVision would tie directly into Multiverse of Madness doesn't appear to be as vital as most assumed. I have to wonder if perhaps we're going to get a post-credits scene in an upcoming MCU movie that covers Doctor Strange going to Scarlet Witch about what she's done.
By the time we get to the final post-credits scene, Wanda seems to have come a long way in her studies. Being able to study The Darkhold as an astral projection while conscious isn't something that Doctor Strange is capable of. I hope they're not building her up as a villain for the future of the MCU. Having a dark side is one thing, but being an out and out villain is another.
I was actually kinda close with my Vision theory. While the execution wasn't what I expected, the end result looks to be spot on. I'm glad we're going to be keeping Vision around in the MCU, even if he's not exactly the same as before.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 5, 2021 18:59:42 GMT -5
My guess is the hex closed up into a sort of pocket dimension. Agatha is trapped in a little world with make believe Vision and two kids. Nah. She’s just the town looney now. Or she's that person in Albertson's who holds up thd line because they won't stop talking to the cashier.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 5, 2021 19:07:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed the series a great deal, and will definitely be giving it a re-watch. The assertion that WandaVision would tie directly into Multiverse of Madness doesn't appear to be as vital as most assumed. I have to wonder if perhaps we're going to get a post-credits scene in an upcoming MCU movie that covers Doctor Strange going to Scarlet Witch about what she's done.
By the time we get to the final post-credits scene, Wanda seems to have come a long way in her studies. Being able to study The Darkhold as an astral projection while conscious isn't something that Doctor Strange is capable of. I hope they're not building her up as a villain for the future of the MCU. Having a dark side is one thing, but being an out and out villain is another.
I was actually kinda close with my Vision theory. While the execution wasn't what I expected, the end result looks to be spot on. I'm glad we're going to be keeping Vision around in the MCU, even if he's not exactly the same as before. She’s a villain in the comics. Nah. She’s just the town looney now. Or she's that person in Albertson's who holds up thd line because they won't stop talking to the cashier. Same person, bro.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 5, 2021 20:24:01 GMT -5
I enjoyed the series a great deal, and will definitely be giving it a re-watch. The assertion that WandaVision would tie directly into Multiverse of Madness doesn't appear to be as vital as most assumed. I have to wonder if perhaps we're going to get a post-credits scene in an upcoming MCU movie that covers Doctor Strange going to Scarlet Witch about what she's done.
By the time we get to the final post-credits scene, Wanda seems to have come a long way in her studies. Being able to study The Darkhold as an astral projection while conscious isn't something that Doctor Strange is capable of. I hope they're not building her up as a villain for the future of the MCU. Having a dark side is one thing, but being an out and out villain is another.
I was actually kinda close with my Vision theory. While the execution wasn't what I expected, the end result looks to be spot on. I'm glad we're going to be keeping Vision around in the MCU, even if he's not exactly the same as before. She’s a villain in the comics. Or she's that person in Albertson's who holds up thd line because they won't stop talking to the cashier. Same person, bro. The MCU doesn't pay much heed to the comics at times. M'Baku is a villain in the comics, but not the MCU. Alexander Pierce is a loyal member of SHIELD in the comics. Agatha Harkness is Wanda's friend and not a villain in the comics. Ned Leeds is Hobgoblin in the comics. I really can't see that kid going the villain route.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 5, 2021 20:52:59 GMT -5
So, if Wanda decided to punish Agatha by trapping her in the Hex, but then destroys the Hex ten minutes later, where is Agatha? Wanda's punishment isn't to trap Agatha inside The Hex. It was to trap her into the role of the Nosy Neighbor in the real Westview. That was my take on it, anyway. In whose house?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 5, 2021 21:06:29 GMT -5
Wanda's punishment isn't to trap Agatha inside The Hex. It was to trap her into the role of the Nosy Neighbor in the real Westview. That was my take on it, anyway. In whose house? The dog house!
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 5, 2021 23:16:40 GMT -5
Wanda's punishment isn't to trap Agatha inside The Hex. It was to trap her into the role of the Nosy Neighbor in the real Westview. That was my take on it, anyway. In whose house? That falls under the category of 'her problem' as far as Wanda is concerned. It's also entirely possible that despite Wanda leaving her behind, the FBI or SWORD have no intention of just allowing Agatha to go on as a brainwashed nosy neighbor. If that's the case, being homeless won't be an issue for her.
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Post by frankyt on Mar 6, 2021 9:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 7, 2021 18:24:48 GMT -5
Wait what happened to the white version of vision
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Post by Neverending on Mar 7, 2021 18:36:24 GMT -5
Wait what happened to the white version of vision Good question.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 7, 2021 20:17:55 GMT -5
Wait what happened to the white version of vision Vision's got a great deal of personal baggage to sort through. He was born just a few minutes before Wanda's Vision restored the access to the memories of Original Vision, which obviously had a major impact on his personality. It's interesting that his immediate reaction was to leave the situation entirely. Vision had no interest in speaking to Wanda. Vision had no interest in directly addressing Hayward's attempt to use him as a weapon. He just left.
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 7, 2021 20:20:48 GMT -5
I actually didn't remember what happened to him in the episode. Did he just fly off?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 7, 2021 20:30:17 GMT -5
I actually didn't remember what happened to him in the episode. Did he just fly off? He just left.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 7, 2021 21:08:21 GMT -5
I actually didn't remember what happened to him in the episode. Did he just fly off? Non-white Vision convinced him to to keep trying to kill him, touched his head (presumably transfering some memories or something) and then white vision flew straight up through the roof never to be seen again in the episode. I'm guessing he's off somewhere chilling in solitude like Dr. Manhatan or something.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 7, 2021 21:10:14 GMT -5
Wait what happened to the white version of vision Vision's got a great deal of personal baggage to sort through. He was born just a few minutes before Wanda's Vision restored the access to the memories of Original Vision, which obviously had a major impact on his personality. It's interesting that his immediate reaction was to leave the situation entirely. Vision had no interest in speaking to Wanda. Vision had no interest in directly addressing Hayward's attempt to use him as a weapon. He just left.
I'm not sure that he just got regular Vision's whole personality right away, it might just be "saved" somewhere in his brain/hard drive to be accessed in some future storyline.
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Post by Fanible on Mar 7, 2021 21:58:12 GMT -5
I enjoyed the series a great deal, and will definitely be giving it a re-watch. The assertion that WandaVision would tie directly into Multiverse of Madness doesn't appear to be as vital as most assumed. I have to wonder if perhaps we're going to get a post-credits scene in an upcoming MCU movie that covers Doctor Strange going to Scarlet Witch about what she's done. By the time we get to the final post-credits scene, Wanda seems to have come a long way in her studies. Being able to study The Darkhold as an astral projection while conscious isn't something that Doctor Strange is capable of. I hope they're not building her up as a villain for the future of the MCU. Having a dark side is one thing, but being an out and out villain is another. I was actually kinda close with my Vision theory. While the execution wasn't what I expected, the end result looks to be spot on. I'm glad we're going to be keeping Vision around in the MCU, even if he's not exactly the same as before. I think we can do away with spoiler tags. No one should be coming in here and reading freely if they're not caught up. I'm pretty sure that's how we handle most shows except Netflix-esque shows that drop all the episodes at once (and even then?). Anyway, I would figure that she could possibly be a sort of bad guy, in the sense that the book could be warping her point of view. Assuming this is possibly a book that was stolen from Doctor Strange's library, and one of those 'it-should-probably-be-off-limits' books, thus this part of the movie could be Doctor Strange trying to figure out how to snap her out of it. This is very similar to early theories on the Avengers, which was that the Hulk was going to be a semi-bad guy that the Avengers would be brought together to try and figure out how to take him down. Obviously that never happened, but the same type of story path. If I had to go out on a pretty far off theory on how Doctor Strange is handled, it's that Mordo may have been the one who stole the book and perhaps provided it to Agatha, in hopes she could take down Wanda in aiding in his attempt at ridding the world of sorcerers. He would have had to plan to backstab Agatha at some point, though, if that were true. And then obviously I'm assuming while Endgame opened up the creation of a multiverse spinning off alternate realities, Wanda could be the one who ends up opening 'our' world to those alternate realities, allowing them to leak in. If she is the cause, that could also be a direction that would lead to Doctor Strange needing to try and stop her from doing so. But having said all that, maybe it would be too much of a retread. She was already kinda positioned in such a way in WandaVision. Being a villain unknowingly.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 7, 2021 22:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 7, 2021 22:59:26 GMT -5
Vision's got a great deal of personal baggage to sort through. He was born just a few minutes before Wanda's Vision restored the access to the memories of Original Vision, which obviously had a major impact on his personality. It's interesting that his immediate reaction was to leave the situation entirely. Vision had no interest in speaking to Wanda. Vision had no interest in directly addressing Hayward's attempt to use him as a weapon. He just left.
I'm not sure that he just got regular Vision's whole personality right away, it might just be "saved" somewhere in his brain/hard drive to be accessed in some future storyline. I'm not saying that new Vision has original Vision's personality, or that he ever will. Wanda's Vision told new Vision that he could grant him access to the memories that were inaccessible at that time, presumably due to SWORD not being up to the task. I suspect the only people on Earth who could have done so are Banner and Shuri. Those memories will no doubt have a massive impact upon his personality, but that doesn't mean he'll ever be the same again. While Wanda's Vision didn't say so, it's clear that he also freed new Vision of his SWORD programming that requires him to obey their orders. Being born with those programming directives in place will no doubt have an affect.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Mar 8, 2021 22:18:52 GMT -5
New theory. Wanda's part of Multiverse of Madness is much like Kingpin's in Into The Spider-Verse. She intends to find a dimension of the multiverse where her children are flesh and blood.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 8, 2021 23:57:18 GMT -5
New theory. Wanda's part of Multiverse of Madness is much like Kingpin's in Into The Spider-Verse. She intends to find a dimension of the multiverse where her children are flesh and blood. She already found them. They were crying for help in the end credit scene. I think it’s less “I want to find my children” and more “I need to rescue them.” And it causes a ripple in the Multiverse. Kinda like having two Gamora’s and how that’ll affect GotG.
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