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Post by Neverending on Jun 27, 2015 15:53:37 GMT -5
It has a 77% on Rotten Tomatoes, made 170 million dollars, it's at 7.1 on IMDB, Letterboxd ratings seem to be averaging high. Doesn't sound like hate to me. Spider-Man 3 was the highest grossing movie domestically of 2007. It has a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes. And a 6.2 rating at IMDb. Are you gonna tell me people on the Internet don't treat it like Batman & Robin? You're right that there's the silent majority and the idiots on the Internet, but those idiots ruin a movie's reputation. You can't mention Cloverfield without someone going into a rant about the monster being a piece of shit. The same way you can't mention Spider-Man 3 without someone complaining that Peter Parker danced in two scenes.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 27, 2015 16:09:45 GMT -5
1. The Dark Knight: No brainer. As Drac said, this is the gold standard of the modern blockbuster.
2. Iron Man: Launched the MCU and did make a pretty big splash on it's own.
3. Cloverfield: Blair Witch is often credited with the found footage horror film, but this is the one which launched the genre. The marketing campaign was a big deal too, and marks a turning point where studios began to get a lot more creative with their trailers.
4. WALL-E: Beloved, and the ultimate example of using a "family film" to actually tackle serious themes and ideas.
5. The Wrestler: Alright, maybe this film didn't light up the box-office or spawn a bunch of memes, but it was one of the most well-reviewed films of that year. Much has been made of how the film resurrected Mickey Rourke's career, which is true, but it also brought back Darren Aronofsky after the misfire which was The Fountain. The film would also be called back to a lot in Aronofsky's next project; Black Swan.
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In Bruges: I think this did inspire similar comedies, but the movement is too underground.
Hunger: Introduced the world to Steve McQueen and Michael Fassbender.
Milk: This feels major given recent events, but cinematically this is nothing special.
Twilight and Taken: Fads which are already being forgotten.
Also, we have 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days already for 2007.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 27, 2015 16:26:45 GMT -5
It has a 77% on Rotten Tomatoes, made 170 million dollars, it's at 7.1 on IMDB, Letterboxd ratings seem to be averaging high. Doesn't sound like hate to me. Spider-Man 3 was the highest grossing movie domestically of 2007. It has a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes. And a 6.2 rating at IMDb. Are you gonna tell me people on the Internet don't treat it like Batman & Robin? You're right that there's the silent majority and the idiots on the Internet, but those idiots ruin a movie's reputation. You can't mention Cloverfield without someone going into a rant about the monster being a piece of shit. The same way you can't mention Spider-Man 3 without someone complaining that Peter Parker danced in two scenes. Yeah, but the people on the internet are actually right about Spider-Man 3. And I don't feel like reactions to Cloverfield are as negative as you claim they were (though yeah, the movie does have its haters). It doesn't matter anyway. A movie being divisive is, if anything, a sign in its favor. It means that it was transcending expectations and challenging people in some ways. You could bring up 2001: A Space Odyssey and get plenty of vocal detractors saying they hate it but that doesn't mean it isn't a classic.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 27, 2015 17:31:15 GMT -5
Blair Witch is often credited with the found footage horror film. The Blair Witch Project was the first movie that used the Internet to market itself. People in those early days of AOL actually thought the movie was a real documentary before the media clarified that it wasn't. And it's that approach that has fueled the found footage genre. Cloverfield wasn't pretending to be real. It's obvious that a giant Godzilla-type monster didn't attack New York City. But Paranormal Activity and the other found footage horror movies rely on that Blair Witch approach of trying to trick people into thinking that they're legit documentaries. Obviously people know they're fake from the get-go but it's the spirit of the project that they care about. Cloverfield has more in common with movies like Chronicle and Earth To Echo and that Michael Bay produced time travel film. I'm pretty sure most people didn't see this movie in 2008. Michael Fassbender's real introduction to mainstream audiences was the bar scene in Inglorious Bastards the following year. The battle for gay rights preceded Milk. Gay marriage was a big issue in the 2004 Presidential election. And Milk didn't exactly inspire millions of people to join the movement. It was just a nice Oscar-bait biopic that came and went. Are you sure? You could bring up 2001: A Space Odyssey You do realize you're comparing Cloverfield, a B movie, to 2001: A Space Odyssey, one of the most influential movies of the late 20th century.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 27, 2015 17:56:27 GMT -5
Blair Witch is often credited with the found footage horror film. The Blair Witch Project was the first movie that used the Internet to market itself. People in those early days of AOL actually thought the movie was a real documentary before the media clarified that it wasn't. And it's that approach that has fueled the found footage genre. Cloverfield wasn't pretending to be real. It's obvious that a giant Godzilla-type monster didn't attack New York City. But Paranormal Activity and the other found footage horror movies rely on that Blair Witch approach of trying to trick people into thinking that they're legit documentaries. Obviously people know they're fake from the get-go but it's the spirit of the project that they care about. Cloverfield has more in common with movies like Chronicle and Earth To Echo and that Michael Bay produced time travel film. I'm pretty sure most people didn't see this movie in 2008. Michael Fassbender's real introduction to mainstream audiences was the bar scene in Inglorious Bastards the following year. The battle for gay rights preceded Milk. Gay marriage was a big issue in the 2004 Presidential election. And Milk didn't exactly inspire millions of people to join the movement. It was just a nice Oscar-bait biopic that came and went. Are you sure? You could bring up 2001: A Space Odyssey You do realize you're comparing Cloverfield, a B movie, to 2001: A Space Odyssey, one of the most influential movies of the late 20th century. No one ever tried to convince anyone that Paranormal Activity was real. In fact they rather cannily avoided doing that in order to prevent the backlash that Blair Witch received. Instead the publicity mostly focused on the movie's super low budget nature and it's slow "demand to play it in a theater near you" campaign... which no one has really tried to replicate for some reason. Hunger is definately what put Fassbinder on the map for critics and people in the know. It also may well have played a role in getting him that job in Basterds. Not that I necessarily think introducing one actor to the world is enough. I would be inclined to agree with you on Milk, but I'm struggling to come up with something better. The whole Taken thing is pretty much over. Neeson has said he's done making those action movies and that Sean Penn movie pretty much showed that the formula isn't going to just transfer over to any random old actor who wants in. Young Adult novels have been in demand properties ever since Harry Potter, which gave us stuff like Golden Compass and Earagon. Twilight maybe made YA adaptations skew a little more female, but most of the direct ripoffs (The Host, Beatuiful Creatures, etc) failed miserably and aside from the fact that its main character has a vagina I don't think Hunger Games really has that much in common with Twilight and most of the YA adaptations we're dealing with now have a lot more in common with that. As for the 2001/Cloverfield thing... well it isn't a perfect analogy exactly, but the point still stands.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 27, 2015 18:27:47 GMT -5
No one ever tried to convince anyone that Paranormal Activity was real. Obviously. I'm saying they used the this-is-real approach that Blair Witch used and so many other horror movies have used. Cloverfield (and similar movies) are too science-fiction to even bother with that. Because people have gotten REALLY good at piracy and aren't gonna waste their time in demanding a movie to play in theaters. Paranormal Activity, released in 2009, defines the end of an era in that sense. The movie literally predates Netflix streaming on a television - another thing that has hurt the theater business. We've used this excuse for other movies and IanTheCool shut us down. The documentary about Harvey Milk, from the 70's or 80's, could be considered important, but Ian has also ruled out documentaries. Taken put Luc Beeson back on the radar. That guy and his EuroCorp have been releasing a steady stream of movies on American soil since Taken became a hit. Before that he had - what - The Transporter? Beeson was pretty much an European producer, which occasional American hits, before Taken. Now he's a poor man's Jerry Bruckheimer. You gotta give credit where it's due. Harry Potter are technically children's book. Yeah, they evolved into young adult books as the original audience grew up but Warner Bros didn't start out making young adult movies. Those first three Harry Potter movies are definitely for children. Without Twilight, a low-budget movie made by a minor studio, Hollywood would have never considered turning female skewing young adult novels into movies. The Hunger Games would have never been made without Twilight's success. That's a fact. Also... are you gonna ignore the vampire phase? True Blood. The Vampire Diaries. Etc. From now on, whenever we look at the history of vampires in popular culture, Twilight is gonna be there. The same way that Adam West Batman is always gonna be a major part of Batman history. You need to accept that, like Holocaust Deniers need to accept the Holocaust. The difference is that 2001, despite its haters in 1968, was an Academy Award winning movie with groundbreaking technology. Cloverfield, a January release, was pretty much forgotten by the time summer rolled around.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 27, 2015 20:02:29 GMT -5
Obviously. I'm saying they used the this-is-real approach that Blair Witch used and so many other horror movies have used. Cloverfield (and similar movies) are too science-fiction to even bother with that. Which is why (among other reasons) Cloverfield is original and important Because people have gotten REALLY good at piracy and aren't gonna waste their time in demanding a movie to play in theaters. Paranormal Activity, released in 2009, defines the end of an era in that sense. The movie literally predates Netflix streaming on a television - another thing that has hurt the theater business. Streaming on television has existed since at least 2008 The documentary about Harvey Milk, from the 70's or 80's, could be considered important, but Ian has also ruled out documentaries. I meant better alternatives from 2008 Taken put Luc Beeson back on the radar. That guy and his EuroCorp have been releasing a steady stream of movies on American soil since Taken became a hit. Before that he had - what - The Transporter? Beeson was pretty much an European producer, which occasional American hits, before Taken. Now he's a poor man's Jerry Bruckheimer. You gotta give credit where it's due. Besson has always been the French Jerry Bruckheimer, and Eurocorp had plenty of successes before Taken. Either way, a slight uptick in the profit margins of a mid-level production company should not be enought to put a movie on this list. Harry Potter are technically children's book. Yeah, they evolved into young adult books as the original audience grew up but Warner Bros didn't start out making young adult movies. Those first three Harry Potter movies are definitely for children. I would argue that all of these are children's books, and that "young adult" is little more than a branding term used to sell them to teenagers who should probably be challenging themselves a bit more. Without Twilight, a low-budget movie made by a minor studio, Hollywood would have never considered turning female skewing young adult novels into movies. The Hunger Games would have never been made without Twilight's success. I would argue that those would have been adapted anyway simply on the merits of the books being best sellers. That's a fact. Also... are you gonna ignore the vampire phase? True Blood. The Vampire Diaries. Etc. From now on, whenever we look at the history of vampires in popular culture, Twilight is gonna be there. The same way that Adam West Batman is always gonna be a major part of Batman history. You need to accept that, like Holocaust Deniers need to accept the Holocaust. It was a blip, much the way the short-lived "young vampires with 'tude" thing in the Lost Boys/Near Dark era was a blip. Besides, Anne Rice had already done it... and True Blood was already in production before the movie came out. Let's compromise and put Let the Right One In on the list.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 27, 2015 20:41:56 GMT -5
Cloverfield stunk as a movie but it used the shaky camera thing in a more unique manner than previous films did - at least it tried something different.
Sparkly vampires suck (Harry Potter knock off) - Buffy did it a little better.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 27, 2015 22:34:53 GMT -5
Sparkly vampires suck (Harry Potter knock off) - Buffy did it a little better. Twilight was more of a cheap rip-off of the Southern Vampire Mysteries books, better known today as the True Blood series. Bella is just Sookie, but without anything like character depth, sexuality or a root cause in her past that draws the supernatural to her that might make her a compelling character.
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 27, 2015 22:42:10 GMT -5
Iron Man Tropic Thunder The Dark Knight Gran Torino Taken
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Post by Neverending on Jun 27, 2015 23:40:26 GMT -5
Twilight was more of a cheap rip-off of the Southern Vampire Mysteries books, better known today as the True Blood series. And ironically, because of Twilight's success, True Blood got made. Also, let's not forget about The Vampire Diaries. That series of novels predates both True Blood AND Twilight, as well as Harry Potter. The first book was published in 1991.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 27, 2015 23:42:55 GMT -5
Regarding Twilight, I think it's important to point out that all of the series' "importance" has nothing to do with the film, but with the insane fandom which surrounded the series from the books. The films may have amplified that, but it was only an extension of a fanbase which was already there. I also don't see the things it inspired, namely shit like The Vampire Diaries, having a lasting impression.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 27, 2015 23:55:15 GMT -5
Regarding Twilight, I think it's important to point out that all of the series' "importance" has nothing to do with the film, but with the insane fandom which surrounded the series from the books. The films may have amplified that, but it was only an extension of a fanbase which was already there. You can make the same argument for Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and all the superhero movies. The fact is, Twilight inspired the way Hollywood thought about movies and TV shows. All of these young adult movies with female leads would have never happened without Twilight. Marvel can't even make a Black Widow movie but we've already gotten three blockbusters with Jennifer Lawrence kicking ass, and a fourth on the way. Not to mention that Lawrence's growing fame impacted the X-Men series. Mystique is now a major character in those movies as opposed to just being a henchperson. I know that Twilight is incredibly flawed and Kristen Stewart's character was borderline insulting, but it's still a young adult movie with a female lead. That's all you needed to start a movement. Cinema itself only got started because someone put "motion pictures" of naked women inside a box. Sometimes, things have humble beginnings. Not every genre can have a Star Wars.
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 28, 2015 1:14:19 GMT -5
True Blood predates the Twilight release by a month
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 28, 2015 1:16:19 GMT -5
Also, Robert Pattinson has a half-a-Hulk face.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 28, 2015 3:40:05 GMT -5
True Blood predates the Twilight release by a month Alan Ball tried to make True Blood in 2005 but it didn't get greenlit till Twilight mania began. Like Cooper said, there was already a fan base for Twilight before the movie was released.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 28, 2015 4:17:36 GMT -5
True Blood predates the Twilight release by a month Alan Ball tried to make True Blood in 2005 but it didn't get greenlit till Twilight mania began. Like Cooper said, there was already a fan base for Twilight before the movie was released. Ball had signed a two year development deal with HBO immediately after Six Fee Under ended in 2005 and a pilot was ordered concurrently. Casting for said pilot was announced in early 2007 and was shot in early 2007. The show then got delayed a bit by the writers strike but HBO was already confident to order a second season of the show in late 2007 with only two or three episodes. in the can. So no, HBO did not need Twilight to come out in order to have confidence in the show. Please just concede this point so I can feel justified in having wasted more time than I probably should have researching the production history of this stupid show.
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Post by Fiverrabbit2014 on Jun 28, 2015 7:05:06 GMT -5
1. WALL-E 2. Cloverfield 3. Quarantine 4. Bolt 5. The Strangers
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Post by IanTheCool on Jun 28, 2015 8:45:02 GMT -5
Okay, let remember that we are listing important movies. So if you are putting something like Gran Torino or whathaveyou, the importance is not apparent. Make a case!
There are a lot of junk choices here you guys. Milk? You're being blinded by current events me thinks. Tropic Thunder? Great movie, but why is it here?
Cloverfield, Twilight and Taken at least make sense. Cloverfield took foud footage to a new level, and on a more technical level shaky cam as wlel. Taken started a certain style of action films, Twilight was a massive pp culture success.
I like Iron Man for starting off the Marvel franchise which is huge now. Dark Knight obviously.
But seriously what about Synchedoce? Wont that be the 'artsy" film that gets studied and disected as people start looking back at 2008?
Anyway, some of these movies need to be justified. I feel like people are just picking their favourites again.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 28, 2015 8:54:33 GMT -5
The Dark Knight - hugely successful Iron Man - Ditto - Launched pretty much the whole shebang Cloverfield - unique attempt at giant monster genre Milk - film about something that really shook up San Francisco Defiance - You don't get to often see non military WW2 resistance group movies, and this was a good depiction of a real group The Boy in the Striped Pajamas- Historical fiction with a deep emotional impact
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Post by IanTheCool on Jun 28, 2015 9:04:36 GMT -5
Milk - film about something that really shook up San Francisco Defiance - You don't get to often see non military WW2 resistance group movies, and this was a good depiction of a real group The Boy in the Striped Pajamas- Historical fiction with a deep emotional impact Milk: the event was important, not necessarily the film. NE is right, the documentary was far more important. Defienace, no one remember s it. Had almost no impact. Boyu in Pajamas: you are explaining why it is a good film, not why it is an important film.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 28, 2015 11:50:02 GMT -5
I think I made a good case for The Wrestler. As for Synecdoche, I don't know, I'm open to it, but it also strikes me as minor when all is said and done.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 28, 2015 12:14:40 GMT -5
HBO was already confident to order a second season of the show in late 2007 with only two or three episodes in the can. You do realize Twilight was already being made at that point. Viacom, through its Paramount & MTV divisions, bought the rights in 2004. The project remained in development hell until April of 2007 when Summit Entertainment bought the rights from them. In the summer of 2007, Melissa Rosenberg (of Dexter fame) and Catherine Hardwicke, were hired to write and direct. A final script was completed before the Writers Strike began and the movie was able to march on. By the time the strike was over, cameras began to roll and filming was completed by May of 2008. The hype for Twilight was in full swing at that point with blogs and fan sites. Even at the old CS! we had that Sparkle Girl who you guys scared away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 12:20:02 GMT -5
Iron Man Fireproof Tropic Thunder The Wrestler Gran Torino Iron Man - Argument has already been made on its behalf regarding it launching the MCU Fireproof - Small independent film, made right here in Albany, Ga with a 500K budget, returned over 33 million. The highest grossing independent film of 2008 Tropic Thunder - A great comedy but what I thought was great is how it showed how ludicrous the Hollywood types are. Aging action star trying to remain relevant, over the top always in character Daniel Day Lewis type, rapper turned actor, and a drug fueled jackass with no real talent. This sums up Hollywood perfectly and it was something you don't typically see with such a huge cast that make up some of those archetypes being poked fun at. The Wrestler - Any film that can take something like "wrasslin" and show you a very human, emotional and dark side to something most people take as a joke deserves a spot. That and it did give us Mickey Rourke in his best performance to date. Gran Torino - Great story, great character development, and friggin Clint Eastwood. His first starring role in 4 years, his second highest grossing film to date (which says a lot considering we are talking about EASTWOOD), and also if I am not mistaken it features the largest cast of Hmong Americans actors, both professional and amateur in an American film. Social commentary aside, this is a piece of art that deserves to be on this list.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 28, 2015 12:28:48 GMT -5
Gran Torino was super cliche and its success was mostly due to it being a January release.
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