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Post by Neverending on Oct 24, 2014 18:17:34 GMT -5
What do we think? Mary Poppins in or out? I say in. With the exception of Dracula, everyone has acknowledged Mary Poppins. |
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Post by Dracula on Oct 24, 2014 18:55:43 GMT -5
I Am Cuba > Mary Poppins
Watch this shot beginning at about 2:11
First, marvel at how amazingly they were able to pull that shot off in 1964. That goes from a band down a building and into a damn pool of water all in one shot.
Next, compare it to this shot from one of the most important movies of 1997, Boogie Night:
Pretty damn influential.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 24, 2014 19:18:01 GMT -5
Hey I'm in total agreement Cuba should be there too. I'm thinking Hard Days night should be out. Or Fistful.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 24, 2014 19:34:07 GMT -5
Well, there are two other "Man With No Name" movies we could honor in different years if we drop Fistful.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 24, 2014 19:38:39 GMT -5
That's logical.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 24, 2014 22:57:53 GMT -5
Fine.
Dr. Strangelove
Goldfinger
A Hard Day's Night
I Am Cuba
Mary Poppins
What's the next year, Ian.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2014 0:38:14 GMT -5
Okay, so this is what we're looking at then:
Dr. Strangelove
Mary Poppins
Goldfinger
I Am Cuba
Hard Day's Night
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 25, 2014 8:46:42 GMT -5
I can dig it.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2014 9:32:25 GMT -5
Next year:1990
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Post by Dracula on Oct 25, 2014 9:53:59 GMT -5
Lot of good movies that year but not a ton that I would call "important."
Best I can come up with is:
Goodfellas: No brainer.
Close-Up: Here's our next chance to acknowledge Abbas Kiarostami's importance. A movie that showed how interesting the line between documentary and feature could be.
Jacob's Ladder: Showed a very different way that psychological horror could be done in the mainsteam.
Edward Sissorhands: More or less the origin of Johnny Depp as we know him today and also a bit of a turning point for Tim Burton.
Dick Tracy: A big and colorful production that may have influenced the likes of Sin City and 300 in its attempts to recreate a comic strip.
Other movies from 1990 for which I can't really call "important":
Reversal of Fortune
Hunt For Red October, The
Misery
Mo' Better Blues
Total Recall
Miller's Crossing
Grifters, The
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 25, 2014 10:10:04 GMT -5
1. Goodfellas: Like Dracula said, no brainer. It's a widely loved movie; everyone from cinephiles to just regular joes usually agree that Goodfellas is fantastic. While it isn't my favourite Scorsese film, it might just be his most well-constructed.
2. Edward Scissorhands: It's a great combination of Burton's supernatural/gothic flair with genuinely gripping drama. Also the first of Burton and Depp's collaborations and the beginning of Depp's weirdo roles.
3. Dances with Wolves: To my knowledge, this is one of the first (and still among the few) mainstream films to treat Native Americans respectively. Yes, it still places a white guy at the center of things, but's still progress. Even though many have turned against the film in rest years, it was also a huge hit commercially and critically back in 1990.
4. Total Recall: It captures the silly camp of Arnold Schwarzenegger complete with one-liners and lots of action while still having a clever plot with a lot of twists and some genuinely strong filmmaking. It's a film that falls right in line with his usual shtick while simultaneously surpassing it.
5. Jacob's Ladder: A very unique take on psychological horror and while not many filmmakers have directly cited it as an influence, I definitely see shades of the film in movies like 1408 and Black Swan.
Honourable Mentions:
The Hunt for Red October: Really well-made action film with a great cast and a certain respectability, but still, not important.
Misery: Definitely a solid film and Kathy Bates is great, but it's just small.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2014 10:16:18 GMT -5
I like PG's list. But I also like the inclusion of Close Up.
I think that Wolves was a massive movie that year and its status as a genuine epic holds it up.
Total Recall is an interesting choice, and I really believe that we can't automatically disclude the major blockbusters of a given year. But still, I think I would swap it out with Close Up.
Jacob's Ladder I have not seen and only know it by brief reputation. But both of you agree so far, so I will concur.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 25, 2014 10:24:30 GMT -5
I'd be okay to swap out Total Recall, though I'm wondering if anyone else will come to fight for it too.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 25, 2014 12:02:04 GMT -5
Blockbusters don't have to be automatically dismissed, but I don't know if I would fight too hard for Total Recall. Despite the fact I probably love it the most, here. I think we can agree that other blockbusters are eligible like The Terminator or Alien.
Goodfellas
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Edward Scissorhands
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2014 12:08:55 GMT -5
I think its something that will come up a lot, for example in a year like 2007 when we have to deal with Transformers. But we'll get there when we get there.
I agree that I think Total Recall may not have enough to push in.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 25, 2014 12:28:26 GMT -5
The National Film Registry saysDances with Wolves Goodfellas Samsara: Death and Rebirth in Cambodia I say... Back to the Future, Part III Dances with Wolves Edward Scissorhands Goodfellas Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles And I'm willing to fight for... Dick Tracy Die Hard 2 Ghost The Godfather, Part III Home Alone House Party Pretty Woman Total Recall
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 25, 2014 13:05:21 GMT -5
Goodfellas
Miller's Crossing- One of, if not the best Corn Bros. Movies.
Kindergarten Cop - It is NOT a tumor!!
Edward Scissorhands
Jacobs Ladder
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 25, 2014 13:07:26 GMT -5
Coen.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 25, 2014 13:39:22 GMT -5
You guys are really into Jacob's Ladder. I don't think that's an important movie, but okay, I'll bite.
Dances with Wolves
Edward Scissorhands
Goodfellas
Jacob's Ladder
So, once again, it comes down to a 5th movie. What are you guys gonna fight about this time? The contenders are
Back to the Future, Part III
Close-Up
Dick Tracy
Die Hard 2
Ghost
The Godfather, Part III
The Grifters
Home Alone
House Party
The Hunt For Red October
Kindergarten Cop
Miller's Crossing
Misery
Mo' Better Blues
Pretty Woman
Reversal of Fortune
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Total Recall
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 25, 2014 13:56:01 GMT -5
You guys are really into Jacob's Ladder. I don't think that's an important movie The placement has more to do with the lack of other really important films from 1990. I'm sticking with Total Recall. Yes, Schwarzenegger made other, better action movies, but what makes Total Recall special is how effectively it merges goofy Schwarzenegger action with a genuinely good movie. Yeah, movies like The Terminator films are better, but they feel very different from his other action films. Having said all of that, I haven't seen Close-Up and I understand Abbas Kiarostami is an important figure in world cinema. I say this because I don't doubt it's a more important film than I realize. |
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 25, 2014 15:23:39 GMT -5
Out of those, Miller's Crossing it has the same noir feel that LA Confidential emulated years later. And many filmmakers have marked that as their most influential movie in years since.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 25, 2014 16:09:50 GMT -5
Total Recall is pretty damn fun but I can't for the life of me come up with an argument for how it's important. Of Verhoven's three sci-fi blockbusters I'd say it's easily the least innovative.
I also don't really see how Dances With Wolves is all that important in the grand scheme of things, but I have a hunch I'm going to be outvoted on that one.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 25, 2014 16:30:22 GMT -5
The placement has more to do with the lack of other really important films from 1990. If we had a Black community, you would see more love and support for House Party. It's one of the few movies that accurately captures urban youth culture. Also, when you think of late 1980's and early 1990's pop culture, is there anything bigger than the Ninja Turtles? Besides Batman? And even then... that's debatable. And finally, even though Back to the Future Part III is the weakest one, it still concludes one of the most beloved trilogies in cinema history. If all of you were super quick to defend Return of the Jedi, which opened the door of horrible Star Wars movies, how can you ignore Back to the Future like if it were trash? At least Robert Zemeckis and Steven Spielberg had the brains to stop while they were ahead. You never hear about Back to the Future Part IV or Back to the Future the remake. In this day and age, that is very ballsy and inspiring. I don't really see how Dances With Wolves is all that important in the grand scheme of things, but I have a hunch I'm going to be outvoted on that one. You already have... and that's without Doomsday showing up. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 25, 2014 18:57:13 GMT -5
The placement has more to do with the lack of other really important films from 1990. If we had a Black community, you would see more love and support for House Party. It's one of the few movies that accurately captures urban youth culture. Also, when you think of late 1980's and early 1990's pop culture, is there anything bigger than the Ninja Turtles? Besides Batman? And even then... that's debatable. And finally, even though Back to the Future Part III is the weakest one, it still concludes one of the most beloved trilogies in cinema history. If all of you were super quick to defend Return of the Jedi, which opened the door of horrible Star Wars movies, how can you ignore Back to the Future like if it were trash? At least Robert Zemeckis and Steven Spielberg had the brains to stop while they were ahead. You never hear about Back to the Future Part IV or Back to the Future the remake. In this day and age, that is very ballsy and inspiring. Haven't seen House Party, so no comment there. Perhaps it's because of my age, but I sort of missed the boat with Ninja Turtles and never really got the hype. And while the brand is still really popular today, the 1990 film version doesn't seem to held in high regard by anyone other than those who saw it at the right age. As for Back to the Future, I still haven't seen the third one, but the general consensus is that it's the least liked film in the franchise. Beyond that, I've never found the Back to the Future series all that impressive. Iconic, sure, and the first film will definitely deserve a place when we get to 1985, but the series as a whole does very little for me, and I think it's because it only works best if you see it at the right age and the right time. I am glad the series hasn't been plagued with unnecessary sequels, reboots, or remakes. That's good, but I don't see how that makes Part III special. Anyway, there are two other Back to the Future's to honour should we see fit, but only one Jacob's Ladder. I don't really see how Dances With Wolves is all that important in the grand scheme of things, but I have a hunch I'm going to be outvoted on that one. The film was a huge deal for its time, and I can't think of too many other respectable depictions of natives in mainstream cinema, before or after. |
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Post by Dracula on Oct 25, 2014 19:25:52 GMT -5
I don't really see how Dances With Wolves is all that important in the grand scheme of things, but I have a hunch I'm going to be outvoted on that one. The film was a huge deal for its time, and I can't think of too many other respectable depictions of natives in mainstream cinema, before or after. Samuel Fuller's Run of the Arrow did the same basic story forty three years earlier. |
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