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Post by Dracula on Oct 21, 2014 20:52:38 GMT -5
I'll also say Cleopatra. And if any of you own region free Blu-ray players, Masters of Cinema have a great release of it in the U.K. Nice steelbook too. Cleopatra certainly has a number of good sets and costumes in that Cecil B. DeMille way, but I don't know that it's really an important classic and if we're going to have a pre-code movie about a female royal get through it should definitely be The Scarlet Empress IMO. So this is what I've thinking. It Happened 1 Night Thin Man L'Atlante Man who Knew Too Much Its a Gift That sounds reasonable to me. Iver, do you still want to fight for Cleopatra? Otherwise I think we should call for a vote.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 21, 2014 23:06:35 GMT -5
Yup.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 22, 2014 0:57:47 GMT -5
Ian's list sounds good.
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Post by iverdawg on Oct 22, 2014 1:01:50 GMT -5
Well two other people listed it as well, but if most want it off it's fine by me.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 22, 2014 7:47:05 GMT -5
Next year:1997
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 7:51:22 GMT -5
Gummo Boogie Nights Insomnia Happy Together
But possibly Batman and Robin, Con Air, and Spawn.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2014 8:13:25 GMT -5
The only movie from 1997 in the National Film Registry is Study of a River. Anyway... Titanic L.A. Confidential Boogie Nights Austin Powers Men in Black
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Post by docstop on Oct 22, 2014 8:20:29 GMT -5
The only movies of interest to me in 1997 are Air Force One and Breakdown. Men in Black was cool with all the sci-fi gadgets.
Great idea for a thread.
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Post by Deexan on Oct 22, 2014 9:21:39 GMT -5
Good Will Hunting LA Confidential Titanic Contact Batman & Robin (#NeverForget)
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2014 9:24:39 GMT -5
I guess - as a cautionary tale - Batman & Robin is an important movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2014 9:58:52 GMT -5
1. Titanic: I think the pop-culture of impact of Titanic goes without saying. Beyond that, the film is a masterful example of great special effects and the film continues to find an audience with today's youth.
2. Boogie Nights: Though he'd made Hard Eight already, this is the true arrival of Paul Thomas Anderson and he made a big impression. It also features a huge cast of great performances of all ages, including Mark Wahlberg proving he had genuine ability as an actor and Burt Reynolds in his most dignified role. This is also Anderson's most accessible work and an entry point for a lot of people.
3. Princess Mononoke: One of the landmark titles in Japanese animation. Even people who don't like anime usually admit that Princess Mononoke is pretty good. It's an epic fantasy story told for adults that was a huge hit in Japan. While it's box-office success didn't translate in North America, the film formed a legacy on home video and is now widely loved.
4. Good Will Hunting: Gus Van Sant's biggest commercial hit, the arrival of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, and the pinnacle of Robin Williams' dramatic roles. The film is also permeated pop-culture in its own settle way and remains and it still resonates.
5. L.A. Confidential: Titanic may have won the Oscar, but the most critically respected film from 1997 is almost certainly L.A. Confidential. It was hailed as a great work back in it's day and is still considered a masterpiece by many who see it. The film turned Curtis Hanson from a nobody to a legitimate filmmaker over night and while he isn't really fulfilled that promise, this film still holds up.
Honourable Mentions
Jackie Brown: Personally, I love this movie and think it's one of Tarantino's best, but there's no doing that of all of his 90s films, this one made the least impact and even today isn't as well-regarded as Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction. The more mature and restrained style is also not very representative of where his career would go.
Contact: An intellectual and grounded science-fiction film, but it's still building its audience. I'm not ready to list it among the most important quite yet.
Gattaca: This movie definitely has its fans, but personally I don't think it's very good. It has some interesting ideas, but as a film, it seems kind of sub-par.
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery: It launched a very successful movie franchise, created some iconic characters, and is a film that I personally think is hilarious. But I just can't list it among the more artistic and legitimate movies I selected.
The Game:A very well-crafted thriller with a great performance from Michael Douglas, but ultimately this is minor David Fincher.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 22, 2014 12:36:01 GMT -5
Boogie nights Titanic La confidential Ma vie en rose Princess Mononoke
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Post by Dracula on Oct 22, 2014 13:21:29 GMT -5
1. Titanic: Hate it or love it, it was undeniably a sensation and it's in many ways the last major Hollywood epic to not be completely dominated by CGI.
2. Princess Mononoke: One of the movies that helped anime get greater respect when it finally came out in the west.
3. Funny Games: I sort of disagree with this movie philisophically, but there's no denying that it provoked a lot of discussion and helped inspire future deconstructionist cinema.
4. L.A. Confidential: An excellently stylized prestige noir that has many immitators, also made Russell Crowe a star.
5. Taste of Cherry: The movie that won Abbas Kiarostami his Palm d'Or and brought Iranian cinema to a wider audience
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Boogie Nights: I love this movie to death but I have trouble trying to find a reason it's "important." Many of its choices are openly derivitive of Scorsese's work and it mostly just executes really well on existing templates.
Jackie Brown: Kind of in the same boat as Boogie nights. I love it, but the basic template of the post-Get Shorty Elmore Leonard adaptation had already been set and Tarentino just wasn't looking to make the same kind of splash with this one.
The Ice Storm: The movie that made Ang Lee's style finally click, also kind of did what Mad Men is doing a decade sooner.
Contact: Cool movie, but nah
Starship Troopers: It's become something of a touchstone in discussions of a certain kind of action movie
Good Will Hunting: I guess it launched the careers of two prominant actors and made South Boston a oft used location, but it was a step backwards for Gus Van Sant in many ways and didn't take the necessary risks to be considered "important."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -5
1. Titanic: Hate it or love it, it was undeniably a sensation and it's in many ways the last major Hollywood epic to not be completely dominated by CGI. 2. Princess Mononoke: One of the movies that helped anime get greater respect when it finally came out in the west. 3. Funny Games: I sort of disagree with this movie philisophically, but there's no denying that it provoked a lot of discussion and helped inspire future deconstructionist cinema. 4. L.A. Confidential: An excellently stylized prestige noir that has many immitators, also made Russell Crowe a star. 5. Taste of Cherry: The movie that won Abbas Kiarostami his Palm d'Or and brought Iranian cinema to a wider audience Honorable Mentions Boogie Nights: I love this movie to death but I have trouble trying to find a reason it's "important." Many of its choices are openly derivitive of Scorsese's work and it mostly just executes really well on existing templates. Jackie Brown: Kind of in the same boat as Boogie nights. I love it, but the basic template of the post-Get Shorty Elmore Leonard adaptation had already been set and Tarentino just wasn't looking to make the same kind of splash with this one. The Ice Storm: The movie that made Ang Lee's style finally click, also kind of did what Mad Men is doing a decade sooner. Contact: Cool movie, but nah Starship Troopers: It's become something of a touchstone in discussions of a certain kind of action movie Good Will Hunting: I guess it launched the careers of two prominant actors and made South Boston a oft used location, but it was a step backwards for Gus Van Sant in many ways and didn't take the necessary risks to be considered "important." Ah, I forgot to include Taste of Cherry and Funny Games.
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Post by iverdawg on Oct 22, 2014 14:51:51 GMT -5
Just a few that haven't been mentioned:
Lost Highway Chasing Amy (I know there's a lot of Kevin Smith hate, but this is often considered his best film)
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2014 15:05:10 GMT -5
3. Princess Mononoke: One of the landmark titles in Japanese animation. Even people who don't like anime usually admit that Princess Mononoke is pretty good. It's an epic fantasy story told for adults that was a huge hit in Japan. While it's box-office success didn't translate in North America, the film formed a legacy on home video and is now widely loved. 2. Princess Mononoke: One of the movies that helped anime get greater respect when it finally came out in the west. Right. Right. Right. I'm changing my answer to: Titanic Princess Mononoke L.A. Confidential Boogie Nights Austin Powers With honorable mentions to Men in Black and Batman & Robin. Chasing Amy IS an important Gay & Lesbian movie. So, I'm changing my answer to: Titanic Princess Mononoke Chasing Amy Boogie Nights Austin Powers With honorable mentions to L.A. Confidential, Men in Black and Batman & Robin.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 22, 2014 15:23:57 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Kevin Smith defenders around, but there's only one Kevin Smith movie that I would even entertain the idea of being in a top five most important films of any year, and it ain't Chasing Amy.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2014 15:43:45 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Kevin Smith defenders around, but there's only one Kevin Smith movie that I would even entertain the idea of being in a top five most important films of any year, and it ain't Chasing Amy. Let's kind in mind three things: 1. You're overly-critical and stuck-up about comedies. 2. Ian's criteria's are ridiculous. Movies are important and historically relevant for many reasons beyond the subjective opinions of geeks. 3. Social commentary, especially from an historical point-of-view, has to matter. Chasing Amy doesn't hold up incredibly well to today's standards, and Kevin Smith is the first to admit it, but it does present are a very definitive viewpoint of gay & lesbian culture from the perspective of a 1990's heterosexual. If racist movies from early cinema can be considered important for various reasons, then I think Chasing Amy should be given serious consideration. Right now, in the 2010's, gay rights and women's rights are defining political issues and will be discussed heavily by historians. And a movie like Chasing Amy, which we all saw in our late 1990's and early 2000's youth, will stick out as culturally relevant.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 22, 2014 18:34:01 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Kevin Smith defenders around, but there's only one Kevin Smith movie that I would even entertain the idea of being in a top five most important films of any year, and it ain't Chasing Amy. Let's kind in mind three things: 1. You're overly-critical and stuck-up about comedies. 2. Ian's criteria's are ridiculous. Movies are important and historically relevant for many reasons beyond the subjective opinions of geeks. 3. Social commentary, especially from an historical point-of-view, has to matter. Chasing Amy doesn't hold up incredibly well to today's standards, and Kevin Smith is the first to admit it, but it does present are a very definitive viewpoint of gay & lesbian culture from the perspective of a 1990's heterosexual. If racist movies from early cinema can be considered important for various reasons, then I think Chasing Amy should be given serious consideration. Right now, in the 2010's, gay rights and women's rights are defining political issues and will be discussed heavily by historians. And a movie like Chasing Amy, which we all saw in our late 1990's and early 2000's youth, will stick out as culturally relevant. I agree that movies like Chasing Amy should be judged by the standards of their time, however, I don't think that movie was really all that groundbreaking by the standards of that time either. The New Queer Cinema was already in full swing by 1997 and we'd already seen far more important depictions of homosexuals coming from directors like Gus Van Sant and Todd Haynes and on a more mainstream level we'd already seen things like In and Out and The Birdcage. Chasing Amy had its place in that whole equation, but it was no landmark.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 22, 2014 19:08:23 GMT -5
And if you're going for a LGBT film, Ma Vie en Rose actually tackled issues. Chasing Amy didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 19:24:31 GMT -5
Lost Highway is another great one.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 22, 2014 19:32:32 GMT -5
Titanic is certainly a big film and has to be included. Apart from that its tough to decide. I love Mononoke, but is my love for that film not letting me see it objectively? As for Chasing Amy, I'm with Drac. The only Smith film that should be considered for this is Clerks. 2. Ian's criteria's are ridiculous. Movies are important and historically relevant for many reasons beyond the subjective opinions of geeks. If I give too much criteria it takes away a lot out of the discussion of what makes a film significant, and then why bother doing this. But I've already told you to feel free not to take part in this discussion if its not meeting your standards.
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Post by iverdawg on Oct 22, 2014 19:40:18 GMT -5
One of the best opening credits sequences:
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2014 20:11:38 GMT -5
Titanic is certainly a big film and has to be included. Apart from that its tough to decide. I love Mononoke, but is my love for that film not letting me see it objectively? It deserves placement in the list. It's influence and legacy extend beyond it's anime roots. I think Neverending made some good points, but I also agree that Chasing Amy isn't really list-worthy, especially given some stiff competition.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2014 20:13:12 GMT -5
New Queer Cinema was already in full swing by 1997 and we'd already seen far more important depictions of homosexuals coming from directors like Gus Van Sant and Todd Haynes and on a more mainstream level we'd already seen things like In and Out and The Birdcage. Chasing Amy had its place in that whole equation, but it was no landmark. The difference is that Chasing Amy had the straight guy be the main character. That may seem silly in 2014, but for 1997, it was very honest and put a lot of real feelings on the table. So I think from an historical point-of-view, Chasing Amy is relevant. Especially since gay and non-gay people can relate to the movie. I've already told you to feel free not to take part in this discussion if its not meeting your standards. You and Dracula are letting your personal opinions get in the way. That's a very biased way to look at history. Like I said from the beginning, you need to sit back and reflect on 3 things: Did the movie accomplish something significant? Did it penetrate our culture? And how do most people feel about it? If you can't focus on those things without letting your personal feelings get in the way, then what's the point? We might as well be discussing our favorite movies. Which is really what this thread has mostly turned into. I think PG Cooper and iverdawg are the only ones trying to be objective. So follow their example. They're doing it right.
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