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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 17:41:44 GMT -5
Did anyone else not like "Terms of Endearment"? I thought that was one of the more disappointing Best Picture winners. It is what it is. I don't really have any affection for it or animosity against it.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 17:46:36 GMT -5
It is what it is. I don't really have any affection for it or animosity against it. Translation: "I saw it because I need to watch every Best Picture winner, but I have no memory of it. This is the one with Jack Nicholson, right?"
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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 18:17:25 GMT -5
It is what it is. I don't really have any affection for it or animosity against it. Translation: "I saw it because I need to watch every Best Picture winner, but I have no memory of it. This is the one with Jack Nicholson, right?" There is some truth to that, but I wouldn't say I had no memory of it. There are plenty of BP winners I saw around the same time that I actively disliked and plenty I actively liked. Terms of Endearment failed to elicit a reaction from me either way and I think that is telling.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 20, 2014 18:34:58 GMT -5
Was it really that important? Define important, Ian? What are the requirements for this thread? Does the movie need historical significance? Does the movie need to resonate? Does it need to penetrate our culture? Does it need to be well-liked in the critical community? In that case... Here are your "important" movies for 1983. Scarface A Christmas Story Return of the Jedi Trading Places Risky Business National Lampoon's Vacation WarGames Flashdance The King of Comedy Videodrome Twilight Zone: The Movie Octopussy and Never Say Never Again Sudden Impact Mr. Mom Is it important and significant within the history of film. And listing every movie you can think of isn't helpful.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 20, 2014 20:46:30 GMT -5
Did anyone else not like "Terms of Endearment"? I thought that was one of the more disappointing Best Picture winners. It is what it is. I don't really have any affection for it or animosity against it. Yeah it's not bad, I guess I just figured that since it won it would be more than any other family drama film from the '80s.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 20:51:41 GMT -5
Is it important and significant within the history of film. Ian. Ian. Ian. Do we really have to debate Scarface? Or Return of the Jedi? Or A Christmas Story? Do we really need to debate Trading Places, which is so influential that the government literally named a law after it in 2008 when the economy crashed because of Wall Street? Do we really need to debate National Lampoon's Vacation, which spawned 3 sequels with a 4th on the way? Do we really need to debate the importance of Risky Business and how it made Tom Cruise an overnight sensation? Do we really need to debate Twilight Zone: The Movie, where John Landis dropped a helicopter on 3 people and it forever changed the safety laws in Hollywood? Do we really need to debate Sudden Impact, a movie with a line so popular that Ronald Reagan, the President of the United States, said it in one of his speech. In case you forgot, the line is, "GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY." Do we really need to debate Flashdance and how it launched the MTV style movies of the 1980's? Do we really need to debate James Bond? Do we really need to debate the battle cry, "MR. MOM AS BATMAN?!" Do we really need to debate Hollywood's hilarious fears of computers in WarGames? Do we really need to debate how The King of Comedy predicted our current obsession with celebrity culture? But if you want, we can leave out Videodrome. That's only an irrelevant Canadian movie.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 20, 2014 20:56:20 GMT -5
Then by all means, don't bother participating in this thread.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 21:03:58 GMT -5
Then by all means, don't bother participating in this thread. Where's YOUR list, Ian? In your point-of-view, what are the important movies of 1983? It seems like everyone here is in sync except for you. Everyone has pretty much given the same answers for the same reasons. So, I don't know why you're still so confused and lost? If you want 5 movies, it's pretty easy to figure out based on what everyone has said. So what's holding you back? What are your concerns? Which movies are puzzling you? How can we help you, Ian?
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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 21:22:34 GMT -5
Alright, so Scarface has been on five lists while A Christmas Story, Videodrome, and Return of the Jedi have been on four each. Nothing else has been named more than twice.
Are those four more or less locks? If so, should we start discussing our fifth entry in earnest? Or do we still want to consider dropping one or more of those four?
Also, I've never seen A Christmas Story. Anyone want to explain to me why it's supposed to be important?
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Post by Dan! on Oct 20, 2014 21:31:10 GMT -5
Christmas Story is important because it teaches the meaning of christmas. it also is the most successful movie to be sponsored by the NRA.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 20, 2014 21:35:10 GMT -5
I think those four would be a lock. I really don't know what should go into the fifth slot though.
What about The Big Chill?
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Post by Dan! on Oct 20, 2014 21:41:58 GMT -5
I was never a fan of the Big Chill. Out of the movies for that year, I guess 5th one I would say is risky business since it was a huge launch to Tom Cruis's career, who is one of the biggest living movie stars today. For a down year, I would throw that in there. But yeah, it is a pretty lousy year for "important" movies.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 20, 2014 21:45:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I suppose. Its a bad precedent to set saying a movie is important just because it launched so and so's career, but...
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 20, 2014 21:53:02 GMT -5
Honestly, I think my vote for the 5th spot would go to Right Stuff or that El Norte one Drac said after looking into it a bit more.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 20, 2014 21:55:28 GMT -5
I only put down A Christmas Story for its pop-culture relevance. I've never seen it but I see it referenced like crazy every year.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 22:05:45 GMT -5
I think those four would be a lock. I really don't know what should go into the fifth slot though. What about The Big Chill? For me The Big Chill is pretty much in the same "it is what it is" territory that Terms of Endearment is in.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 22:12:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I think my vote for the 5th spot would go to Right Stuff or that El Norte one Drac said after looking into it a bit more. So of the four movies that are locks we have one mainstream blockbuster, one genre cult film, one auteur piece, and one family movie. So either a prestige film like The Right Stuff or a less populist film like El Norte would do a good job of rounding things out.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 22:15:51 GMT -5
A Christmas Story is one of the most beloved holiday films of all-time. And it was made by one of Canada's most celebrated filmmakers, Bob Clark. So how PG Cooper and IanTheCool haven't seen it is a mystery to me. And yes, I'm aware that Bob Clark isn't technically Canadian but his most well-known movies were made in Canada.
FUN FACT: Bob Clark and David Cronenberg were both given the Best Director Genie Award, Canada's version of the Oscars, for A Christmas Story and Videodrome.
Oh, and by the way, the United States government has a thing called the National Film Registry which preserves movies that the U.S. government considers culturally relevant. And these are the movies for 1983 that they have chosen SO FAR:
A Christmas Story El Norte Koyaanisqatsi Michael Jackson's Thriller The Right Stuff
Does that help you, Ian?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 22:16:24 GMT -5
No seconding of Nostalghia?
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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 22:21:41 GMT -5
A Christmas Story is one of the most beloved holiday films of all-time. And it was made by one of Canada's most celebrated filmmakers, Bob Clark. So how PG Cooper and IanTheCool haven't seen it is a mystery to me. And yes, I'm aware that Bob Clark isn't technically Canadian but his most well-known movies were made in Canada. FUN FACT: Bob Clark and David Cronenberg were both given the Best Director Genie Award, Canada's version of the Oscars, for A Christmas Story and Videodrome. Oh, and by the way, the United States government has a thing called the National Film Registry which preserves movies that the U.S. government considers culturally relevant. And these are the movies for 1983 that they have chosen SO FAR: A Christmas Story El Norte Koyaanisqatsi Michael Jackson's Thriller The Right Stuff Does that help you, Ian? Koyaanisqatsi is actually a 1984 movie No seconding of Nostalghia? I haven't seen it unfortunately.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 22:25:04 GMT -5
Koyaanisqatsi is actually a 1984 movie It's listed as 1983 by the National Film Registry. But... okay... so: A Christmas Story El Norte Michael Jackson's Thriller The Right Stuff That's what the U.S. government says so far. Every year they get together and decide on new movies to preserve. So we'll see what other 1983 movies will come along the way in the future.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 20, 2014 22:39:01 GMT -5
Ok checking Wikipedia, the Thriller video checks out.
I rescind The Star Chamber and make that my fifth.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 22:45:47 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Oct 20, 2014 22:51:56 GMT -5
The National Film Registry is not just limited to feature length films, there's a lot of stuff in it like the Zapruder film which isn't actually a movie but which is worth preserving for one reason or another.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 20, 2014 22:54:07 GMT -5
There's an excellent documentary about the National Film Registry on Netflix. You guys should watch it.
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