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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 2, 2014 1:29:42 GMT -5
I said I'd make a case for Prisoner of Azkaban, so here it is: it launched the franchise into a strata of respectability due to Alfonso Cuaron's handling of the film, therefore bringing the series to the attention of more people and pretty much setting the direction for the rest of the films. Also, and maybe more importantly, it helped put the career of Alfonso Cuaron on the trajectory it ended up taking; by directing it, he was able to finance Children of Men, a highly-lauded and "important" film in and of itself, and then he'd go on to direct last year's hit, Gravity, which he earned an Academy Award for. It's also the last HP film to feature a score by John Williams, for what that's worth, and it's his best work on the franchise. Here's how I look at it ultimately: if Cuaron had just stuck to small independent fare such as Y Tu Mama Tambien, it's hard to say if he would've wound up with all the accolades and respect he has now; Prisoner of Azkaban essentially helped introduce the mainstream crowd to a great filmmaker while raising the bar for a franchise most considered just big-budgeted kiddie fare at that point.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 1:44:21 GMT -5
Means Girls - Quotable, clever, launched the careers of Rachel McAdams, Lizzy Caplan and showcased Tina Fey's strength as a bankable Hollywood writer. Yes, yes and yes. Mean Girls: A lot of people who grew up with this love it, but we already have Superbad representing that generation. You were 10. You didn't even know what a vagina looked like. So don't go around claiming Mean Girls is "your generation." Dracula was 16 when the movie came out. That's how far off you are.
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Post by Deexan on Dec 2, 2014 6:15:48 GMT -5
Anchorman Saw Eternal Sunshine Fahrenheit 9/11 The Incredibles
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Post by Fiverrabbit2014 on Dec 2, 2014 7:33:27 GMT -5
I was born in 1973 so I pick Disney's Robin Hood.
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1. The Polar Express 2. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 3. The Passion of the Christ 4. Finding Neverland 5. A Very Long Engagement 6. Spider-Man 2 7. The Incredibles 8. Kill Bill Vol. 2 9. The Story of the Weeping Camel 10. Good Bye, Lenin!
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 10:11:20 GMT -5
Mean Girls: A lot of people who grew up with this love it, but we already have Superbad representing that generation. You were 10. You didn't even know what a vagina looked like. So don't go around claiming Mean Girls is "your generation." Dracula was 16 when the movie came out. That's how far off you are. All I know is most girls my age love Mean Girls and watched it repeatedly from middle school on.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 12:09:21 GMT -5
All I know is most girls my age love Mean Girls and watched it repeatedly from middle school on. I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that Mean Girls being excluded because Superbad represents "the generation" is nonsense. I was in my 20's when Superbad was released but still a teenager when Mean Girls was released. And so was Doomsday and Dracula and Tornado and lots of people who frequent these boards. I know, as an adult, that 3 years is not a lot. But when you're a child and a teen, 3 years is a lifetime. 2004 and 2007 are two completely different era's of my life. And I know almost everyone here will agree with that statement. From my perspective, Mean Girls and Superbad feel like they're 10 years apart. It's like Clueless and American Pie. They're 4 years apart but no one here, except for Ramplate, associates those movies as being the same era. And I'm willing to bet if Ian had done 1995 first, you wouldn't have said, "let's exclude Clueless because of American Pie." That thought wouldn't have even crossed your mind.
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Post by Knerys on Dec 2, 2014 12:25:45 GMT -5
It is not a lousy movie. Even so it's memes are everywhere.
Primer need to be on this list. It's an excellent piece of true Indy film making and science fiction, made for $7000.
I'd like to make an argument for Downfall but I suspect not many here have seen it.
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Post by iverdawg on Dec 2, 2014 12:52:07 GMT -5
Saw - Kicked off the highest grossing horror franchise. Shaun of the Dead - One of the most influential comedies of the past decade. The Passion of the Christ - Had a big cultural impact. It's also the highest grossing R-rated movie by 90 milion dollars. Before Sunset - Is considered widely by many to be better than Before Sunrise (not by me), but the catching up 9 years later felt quite impressive on this type of scale. And I'll also say Mean Girls, as I know the impact it has had, and it's arguably one of the most popular films within a certain age group.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 12:57:12 GMT -5
It is not a lousy movie. Even so it's memes are everywhere.. Exactly. Well said, Knerys. No other movie from 2004 has a bigger Internet presence than Mean Girls. To ignore it is nonsense. And Mean Girls wasn't a big hit in 2004. Most people wrote it off as another Lindsay Lohan movie. Mean Girls success came from word-of-mouth. And I was one of those people who created buzz for it since I was among the first to see it. Whenever I see these memes on social media I think to myself, "wow! I remember when I was the only one who saw the movie." And I know that makes me biased but so what? Are people also gonna criticize those who read Harry Potter books BEFORE the movies were made?
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 2, 2014 13:01:30 GMT -5
Eternal Sunshine Primer Incredibles Bourne Supremacy Shaun of the Dead
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 13:28:51 GMT -5
Mean Girls may be popular with a certain group of people, but it is only popular within that group of people for the most part. It has a loud audience, but a limited one.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 14:05:40 GMT -5
Mean Girls may be popular with a certain group of people, but it is only popular within that group of people for the most part. It has a loud audience, but a limited one. Says the guy who put Shaun of the Dead on his list.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 14:26:55 GMT -5
True, but at least the audience that has embraced Shaun of the Dead is an audience which actually watches films and loves films. The Mean Girls fan base don't care about movies beyond the handful they like.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 14:32:12 GMT -5
True, but at least the audience that has embraced Shaun of the Dead is an audience which actually watches films and loves films. The Mean Girls fan base don't care about movies beyond the handful they like. You're turning into Dracula and that concerns me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 14:34:09 GMT -5
True, but at least the audience that has embraced Shaun of the Dead is an audience which actually watches films and loves films. The Mean Girls fan base don't care about movies beyond the handful they like. That's a pretty bad generalization.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 14:45:37 GMT -5
True, but at least the audience that has embraced Shaun of the Dead is an audience which actually watches films and loves films. The Mean Girls fan base don't care about movies beyond the handful they like. That's a pretty bad generalization. That is bad, let me backtrack a bit. I don't think that of all Mean Girls fans. Knerys and Neverending are both fans for example and they clearly have very broad tastes. And I'm also sure there are a lot of people out there who love Mean Girls and lots of other films too. But in my experience, the majority of people who embrace and celebrate Mean Girls are people who don't watch very many movies because they are not interested. I'm not judging these people, just stating an observation. And I'm also not throwing away their vote; I did list Mean Girls as an honourable mention after all, I'm just exploring the reasons why, I think, it falls short compared to some of the other films considered.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 15:00:50 GMT -5
In my experience, the majority of people who embrace and celebrate Mean Girls are people who don't watch very many movies because they are not interested. I understand your point-of-view. You were in middle school and will always associate Mean Girls as a "chick flick", but you're 20 years old, and it's time to end whatever grudge you may have against the movie. In 2004, I wasn't a fan of Anchorman except for the scene where the newsmen fight each other. That was hilarious. But 10 years later, I've accepted the movies popularity. It's not one of my personal favorites - I don't care for Will Ferrell in general - but I'm not gonna fight people on the importance of the movie. I know it has made an impact.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 15:04:49 GMT -5
In my experience, the majority of people who embrace and celebrate Mean Girls are people who don't watch very many movies because they are not interested. I understand your point-of-view. You were in middle school and will always associate Mean Girls as a "chick flick", but you're 20 years old, and it's time to end whatever grudge you may have against the movie. In 2004, I wasn't a fan of Anchorman except for the scene where the newsmen fight each other. That was hilarious. But 10 years later, I've accepted the movies popularity. It's not one of my personal favorites - I don't care for Will Ferrell in general - but I'm not gonna fight people on the importance of the movie. I know it has made an impact. Fun fact, I didn't even know what Mean Girls was until my first year of High School, and didn't see it until after I graduated. I don't even dislike the movie either, for whatever that's worth. I get what you're saying though. I do think there are more important films that I'd rather see in the list, but Mean Girls does have an audience and I won't fight the choice.
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Post by Knerys on Dec 2, 2014 15:23:07 GMT -5
If we are looking at broader influence it helped open the door for female fronted comedy in both acting and writing. Tina Fey became a household name which lead to 30 Rock. Rachel McAdam has a booming career coming out this movie. Maybe it's because I frequently work with the theater crowd but that movie is quoted over and over and over again.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 15:26:48 GMT -5
it helped open the door for female fronted comedy Dracula gives Bridesmaid credit for that, but would have there been a Bridesmaid without the word-of-mouth success of Mean Girls? Doubtful.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 2, 2014 15:26:52 GMT -5
Alright, if I've counted right I'm so far seeing
7 votes for Eternal Sunshine 5 votes for The Incredibles 4 votes each for The Bourne Supremacy and Shaun of the Dead 3 votes for Saw, Primer, and Fahrenheit 9/11 2 votes each for The Passion, Harry Potter, Downfall, Mean Girls, Collateral, and Garden State and 1 vote each for Anchorman, The Polar Express, Finding Neverland, A Very Long Engagement, and Before Sunrise.
Question: What is the argument for The Incredibles aside from the fact that's it's a good and popular movie? Same question for Shaun of the Dead.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 2, 2014 15:29:37 GMT -5
2 votes each for Mean Girls You forgot iverdawg. So that's... 7 votes for Eternal Sunshine 5 votes for The Incredibles 4 votes each for The Bourne Supremacy and Shaun of the Dead 3 votes for Mean Girls, Saw, Primer, and Fahrenheit 9/11
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Post by Knerys on Dec 2, 2014 15:33:27 GMT -5
The Incredibles is when 3-D animation began really stretch its legs. What Monsters, Inc. did for textiles and fur, Incredibles did for rendering actual humans, using realistic motion and combining all the element they tested in previous movies. . It's a huge technical leap forward in the industry.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 15:34:46 GMT -5
Shaun of the Dead launched the career of Edgar Wright who has become one of the most important filmmakers of modern comedy. Not only was Shaun of the Dead his breakthrough, but it captures the themes and style of all of his subsequent features. We placed Videodrome in the list for being David Cronenberg's manifesto and Shaun of the Dead can be seen as Wright's. It also helped bring geek humour with a focus on details to prominence and was the first great spoof film in a long time.
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Post by donny on Dec 2, 2014 15:54:07 GMT -5
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