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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 1, 2014 13:07:37 GMT -5
I'm okay with It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. Still not sure about The Sword in the Stone though.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 1, 2014 13:36:30 GMT -5
THE SWORD IN THE STONE - Every child's introduction to the King Arthur legend. Recently work as a fill in board op for show modeled on Fellini's life called Six Passionate Women. They were even able to use the music from 8 1/2 in the play. As for Sword in the Stone, ask anyone and 9 times out of 10 they'll probably tell you this is their first introduction to the Arthurian legends. Largely more thoughtful and introspective than other Disney fair. It's one of my top 5 favorite Dinsey animated classics. I can't say I find that overly persuasive, firstly because it pre-supposes that being introduced to aurthurian legend is particularly "important" and secondly because that could be used as an excuse to get pretty much any kids movie ever made onto the list. We can't just let Disney get everything they make onto the lists, espeically not ones like Sword in the Stone that, as far as I can tell, has endured a lot less than many of the other ones. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 1, 2014 14:08:32 GMT -5
that could be used as an excuse to get pretty much any kids movie ever made onto the list. If that were true, there would be a kids movie on every list. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 1, 2014 14:10:17 GMT -5
that could be used as an excuse to get pretty much any kids movie ever made onto the list. If that were true, there would be a kids movie on every list. Only because no one has tried that argument yet... at least without getting it shot down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5
THE SWORD IN THE STONE - Every child's introduction to the King Arthur legend. Recently work as a fill in board op for show modeled on Fellini's life called Six Passionate Women. They were even able to use the music from 8 1/2 in the play. As for Sword in the Stone, ask anyone and 9 times out of 10 they'll probably tell you this is their first introduction to the Arthurian legends. Largely more thoughtful and introspective than other Disney fair. It's one of my top 5 favorite Dinsey animated classics. I can't say I find that overly persuasive, firstly because it pre-supposes that being introduced to aurthurian legend is particularly "important" and secondly because that could be used as an excuse to get pretty much any kids movie ever made onto the list. We can't just let Disney get everything they make onto the lists, espeically not ones like Sword in the Stone that, as far as I can tell, has endured a lot less than many of the other ones. It's part of "our" history (or some of us, at least). It's also an important part of English Literature, and, of course, English culture. I'm not saying it should be there. But Arthurian legends are an important part of Anglo-Saxon literary history. There's no question about it. It's akin to downgrading Shakespeare as "unimportant". What about Chaucer? Or the story of Beowulf? Countless other other classic English epics have been hugely important. They all stem from myths like the Sword and the Stone. Look at it this way: there would be no Lord of the Rings without the English classics. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 1, 2014 15:02:13 GMT -5
I can't say I find that overly persuasive, firstly because it pre-supposes that being introduced to aurthurian legend is particularly "important" and secondly because that could be used as an excuse to get pretty much any kids movie ever made onto the list. We can't just let Disney get everything they make onto the lists, espeically not ones like Sword in the Stone that, as far as I can tell, has endured a lot less than many of the other ones. It's part of "our" history (or some of us, at least). It's also an important part of English Literature, and, of course, English culture. I'm not saying it should be there. But Arthurian legends are an important part of Anglo-Saxon literary history. There's no question about it. It's akin to downgrading Shakespeare as "unimportant". What about Chaucer? Or the story of Beowulf? Countless other other classic English epics have been hugely important. They all stem from myths like the Sword and the Stone. Look at it this way: there would be no Lord of the Rings without the English classics. Then the English classics are important, not the Disney movies that introduced them to children. You mention Beowulf there. I'm willing to bet that there were a lot of people of a certain generation who were first introudced to Beowulf through that Robert Zhemeckis movie, that doesn't mean it gets to be cannonized. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 15:33:16 GMT -5
That's....exactly what I said. I took issue with you calling it "unimportant". I don't care whether you think it should be there or not. On that particular subject, I don't have an opinion. In fact, my list would most closely resemble yours. Concerning Beowulf, that's not necessarily true. Beowulf is required reading for most middle schools. So whether they were introduced to it through the movie or through English Lit in school will vary from person to person. Sword in the Stone, however, is not required reading. It is just a common fable, of which most are aware.
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Post by Deexan on Dec 1, 2014 16:17:16 GMT -5
I don't know if being an introduction to Arthurian legend is enough to earn it such an esteemed place in the 5. Even if it was a load of crap, it still would've been a lot of people's introduction to Arthurian legend just because it's a Disney flick for kids.
It's a great movie, one that I grew up with and must've seen more than a hundred times, but I don't see how it's influenced anybody in any tangible way.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 1, 2014 16:43:20 GMT -5
Robert Zemeckis' Beowulf was nobody's introduction to the story. Like Justin said, it's required reading at school. And secondly, the movie wasn't exactly "a hit" and has mostly been forgotten.
The Sword and the Stone was one of the most successful movies of 1963, it has been watched by many generations in the last 51 years, and as stated, it has been everyone's introduction to King Arthur.
Give credit where it's due.
Or let me put it this way.
Kevin Costner's Robin Hood was, unfortunately, my introduction to Robin Hood. The damn VHS is still in a box somewhere in my house. But I can't, in good conscience, say that everyone found out about Robin Hood because of Kevin Costner. I know that's a lie. No one younger than me cares about that movie. And there's so many other movies you can put in that category. But, The Sword and the Stone is not one of them. For 51 years it has been everyone's gateway drug to King Arthur.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 1, 2014 17:14:37 GMT -5
Robert Zemeckis' Beowulf was nobody's introduction to the story. Like Justin said, it's required reading at school. And secondly, the movie wasn't exactly "a hit" and has mostly been forgotten. The Sword and the Stone was one of the most successful movies of 1963, it has been watched by many generations in the last 51 years, and as stated, it has been everyone's introduction to King Arthur. Give credit where it's due. Or let me put it this way. Kevin Costner's Robin Hood was, unfortunately, my introduction to Robin Hood. The damn VHS is still in a box somewhere in my house. But I can't, in good conscience, say that everyone found out about Robin Hood because of Kevin Costner. I know that's a lie. No one younger than me cares about that movie. And there's so many other movies you can put in that category. But, The Sword and the Stone is not one of them. For 51 years it has been everyone's gateway drug to King Arthur. Dude, you're being rediculous, save your credibility for a Disney movie that matters. Every damn Disney movie has, to some extent, been financially successful and been watched by a number of generations and most of them are based on old stories and are to some extent the introduction of said stories to certain people. The Sword in the Stone is plainly one of their least successful and enduring efforts. Pretty much every feature length movie the company made before 1970 is held in higher regard. |
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Post by iverdawg on Dec 1, 2014 17:36:50 GMT -5
I'm a big Disney fan and I've never seen Sword in the Stone  |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 1, 2014 17:59:03 GMT -5
save your credibility for a Disney movie that matters. You didn't see me mention Robin Hood in 1973 or fight for Aladdin, my favorite Disney movie, in 1992. I voted for 8 1/2 and so did everyone else. So you have nothing to worry about. Your #1 choice is not under attack. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 1, 2014 19:10:58 GMT -5
A quick glance at YouTube has Robin Williams, Billy Crystal, and Jonathan Landis all citing Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World as an influence. Hey, I'm sold. |
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 1, 2014 19:18:19 GMT -5
The Birds It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World 8 1/2 Jason and the Argonauts The Great Escape |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 1, 2014 19:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 1, 2014 20:04:49 GMT -5
The Birds It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World 8 1/2 Jason and the Argonauts The Great Escape I like it. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 1, 2014 20:06:54 GMT -5
The Birds It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World 8 1/2 Jason and the Argonauts The Great Escape That seem like what it will end up being |
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 1, 2014 20:35:48 GMT -5
It's under a big "W," I tell ya!
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 1, 2014 23:35:44 GMT -5
The Birds It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World 8 1/2 Jason and the Argonauts The Great Escape Alright, lets go with these then. Next year: 2004 |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 1, 2014 23:58:05 GMT -5
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: Set off something of a trend in offbeat science fiction
Fahrenheit 9/11: Still the highest grossing documentary of all time and probably will be for the foreseeable future. Had a pretty big cultural impact and paved the way for propogandistic documentaries to thrive for the next ten year.
Garden State: Popularized the manic pixie dreamgirl, which have been a scourge on American indies ever since.
Collateral: First Hollywood movie to really do something interesting with digital photography.
The Bourne Supremacy: Shaky cam
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Post by Knerys on Dec 1, 2014 23:58:16 GMT -5
Means Girls - Quotable, clever, launched the careers of Rachel McAdams, Lizzy Caplan and showcased Tina Fey's strength as a bankable Hollywood writer.
Primer - Proving you don't need a big budget to make damn good science fiction
Downfall - A very honest and candid look in the last days of the Third Reich. Plus the Hitler meltdown scene has been parodied ad nauseam.
The Incredibles - Disney Superheros before Marvel merger and point when 3-D animation started to expand its horizons.
Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind - Its going to be on the list. I'm not going to fight it.
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Post by Knerys on Dec 2, 2014 0:04:02 GMT -5
I'd be fine with Collateral....if I'd seen it. I'll just take yous all word for it if it makes the cut.
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Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Downfall
Primer
Garden State
The Incredibles
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 2, 2014 0:10:19 GMT -5
The Incredibles
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Saw
The Bourne Supremacy
Shaun of the Dead
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 2, 2014 1:13:24 GMT -5
1. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: Widely considered one of the best films of the decade, totally original, and a film that resonates deeply with fans.
2. Shaun of the Dead: Launched the careers of Edgar Wright and Simon Pegg and formed a pretty sizeable cult. The film has held study as one of the most loved comedies in recent years, a status that will likely continue to grow.
3. The Bourne Supremacy: Shaky cam, plus this series is too important to be left off the list entirely.
4. Fahrenheit 9/11: Highest grossing documentary and a very topical film which stirred a lot of discussion. It's also a pretty interesting snap shot of a certain era in 21st century history.
5. Collateral: I didn't really think of it at first, but Drac brings up a good point regarding the digital photography, which is a pretty notable landmark.
Honourable Mentions:
Mean Girls: A lot of people who grew up with this love it, but we already have Superbad representing that generation. I also hope a lot of these Mean Girls fans eventually realize the film is pretty lousy.
Anchorman: It has an audience, but I didn't want two comedies in the list and Shaun of the Dead seemed the better choice.
Spider-Man 2: Helped show that superhero movies could be character driven and emotionally resonant.
Saw: Ushered in the "torture porn" wave of horror films.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: It changed the tone of the Potter films and had an influence on the series moving forward, but the series doesn't need three films on the list.
Before Sunset: An unconventional sequel which should not have worked, but actually surpassed the original.
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