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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 15, 2014 18:22:22 GMT -5
But the filmmaking style of Supremacy seems more prevalent in today's action movies than simply the plot style Identity introduced.
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Post by donny on Nov 15, 2014 18:34:34 GMT -5
I agree on the Identity front. Supremacy may have taken things a bit further, but as Jibbs said, the tone and style of the first one, especially the year it came out, definitely influenced a lot of the '00 action movies, namely the new Bond era.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 15, 2014 20:21:58 GMT -5
I can see arguments for both Identity and Supremacy. And yes, I think that both City of God and 28 Days Later can be considered 2002.
I was wondering about if we should really include Two Towers, but NE makes sense with the Gollum advancement. Not to mention its massive CG army influence on pretty much every fantasy or historical epic to come afterwards.
I would say:
Two Towers
City of God
Spider-Man
Bourne Identity
Maybe Minority Report? Or Spirited away?
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Post by Neverending on Nov 15, 2014 20:47:44 GMT -5
I agree 100% with Dracula. It was The Bourne Supremacy, under Paul Greengrass, that made an impact. The Bourne Identity, under Doug Liman, felt like Jack Ryan "with a twist." I think you guys are confusing The Bourne Identity with 24. Even though 24 is a TV show, it's the one that truly ushered in the post-9/11 spy genre. And Jack Bauer has more in common with Daniel Craig's James Bond than Matt Damon's Jason Bourne. And I also agree with IanTheCool. LOTR was the Star Wars of the 2000's. Not only was it insanely popular and took the fantasy genre to new heights, but Weta became the chief rival to ILM. If we included Return of the Jedi just because it's Star Wars, I think we should give The Two Towers the same consideration. And this is coming from someone who doesn't give a shit about LOTR. We gotta give credit where it's due. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 15, 2014 21:52:58 GMT -5
I agree 100% with Dracula. It was The Bourne Supremacy, under Paul Greengrass, that made an impact. The Bourne Identity, under Doug Liman, felt like Jack Ryan "with a twist." I think you guys are confusing The Bourne Identity with 24. Even though 24 is a TV show, it's the one that truly ushered in the post-9/11 spy genre. And Jack Bauer has more in common with Daniel Craig's James Bond than Matt Damon's Jason Bourne. And I also agree with IanTheCool. LOTR was the Star Wars of the 2000's. Not only was it insanely popular and took the fantasy genre to new heights, but Weta became the chief rival to ILM. If we included Return of the Jedi just because it's Star Wars, I think we should give The Two Towers the same consideration. And this is coming from someone who doesn't give a shit about LOTR. We gotta give credit where it's due. Yeah, I'd much rather have The Two Towers in there than The Bourne Identity. |
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 15, 2014 22:04:41 GMT -5
I...won't argue it.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 16, 2014 10:42:58 GMT -5
Okay, so this is where we are at.
Spiderman and City of God seem to be locks.
Minority Report is close behind.
Other options are Two Towers which I think has a strong case for it, 28 Days Later, 25th Hour which I'm still very skeptical about, Bourne which there is debate over whether this or Supremacy was the more influential, and Spirited away which we left off 2001 to be considered for this year.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 16, 2014 11:20:41 GMT -5
The Two Towers and Spirited Away.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2014 11:26:50 GMT -5
Okay, so this is where we are at. Spiderman and City of God seem to be locks. Minority Report is close behind. Other options are Two Towers which I think has a strong case for it, 28 Days Later, 25th Hour which I'm still very skeptical about, Bourne which there is debate over whether this or Supremacy was the more influential, and Spirited away which we left off 2001 to be considered for this year. I would say that for the last two spots I'd go: 1. 28 Days Later 2. Spirted Away 3. The Two Towers 4. 25th Hour 5. The Bourne Identity In that order |
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 16, 2014 11:49:25 GMT -5
Spirited Away
Two Towers
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 16, 2014 11:53:48 GMT -5
I'm switching Two Towers for 28 Days Later. I don't drop it lightly, but we've already honoured one LOTR film and it's a guarantee Return of the King will make it for 2003. The effects are a breakthrough, but Spirited Away was a massive success, especially in Japan, which has a huge legion of fans and 28 Days Later redefined and reinvigorated the zombie genre.
Also, the fact that we included Return of the Jedi is a poor argument. 1983 was a very weak year. 2002, on the other hand, is stacked.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 16, 2014 12:54:25 GMT -5
Was it really 28 days later that kicked off the new zombie trend? I think it was video games that did that to be honest.
As far as Two Towers, I think it was much more important that Return of the King. Fellowship was important because it brought epic ambition back into movies. Two Towers is important for the technical leaps it made. Return of the King is just... the third one.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 16, 2014 13:24:44 GMT -5
Was it really 28 days later that kicked off the new zombie trend? I think it was video games that did that to be honest. As far as Two Towers, I think it was much more important that Return of the King. Fellowship was important because it brought epic ambition back into movies. Two Towers is important for the technical leaps it made. Return of the King is just... the third one. It ended the series in an epic and huge fashion, captured the public zeitgeist, and is the most "geek" film to ever win Best Picture. Star Wars couldn't do it, Raiders of the Lost Ark couldn't do it, and The Dark Knight couldn't do it. It set a precedent, and inspires hope that one day a similar movie could win again. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2014 13:49:10 GMT -5
Was it really 28 days later that kicked off the new zombie trend? I think it was video games that did that to be honest. As far as Two Towers, I think it was much more important that Return of the King. Fellowship was important because it brought epic ambition back into movies. Two Towers is important for the technical leaps it made. Return of the King is just... the third one. 28 Days Later invented the idea of the "fast zombie," which really shook things up. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 16, 2014 13:52:32 GMT -5
More than Gollum though?
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2014 14:05:17 GMT -5
Technologically speaking, Gollum was basically just an evolution of what they did on Jar Jar, was he not? |
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Post by iverdawg on Nov 16, 2014 14:08:41 GMT -5
Honestly, the zombie craze really kicked off with The Walking Dead. It's easy to say that other films were important to it, but that show is really what kicked it off.
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 16, 2014 14:36:09 GMT -5
Was it really 28 days later that kicked off the new zombie trend? I think it was video games that did that to be honest. As far as Two Towers, I think it was much more important that Return of the King. Fellowship was important because it brought epic ambition back into movies. Two Towers is important for the technical leaps it made. Return of the King is just... the third one. 28 Days Later invented the idea of the "fast zombie," which really shook things up. Weren't there fast zombies in the Resident Evil games? I won't argue that 28 Days Later in a more "artistic" way, though. I feel like it was inevitable a fast zombie movie would come, 28 Days Later was just the first. |
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 16, 2014 14:49:32 GMT -5
I feel like it was inevitable a fast zombie movie would come, 28 Days Later was just the first. Well by that logic, none of these movies are important. |
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 16, 2014 14:56:58 GMT -5
Fair, but my point is more that the fast zombie was bound to come out after the success of the Resident Evil games. That game series deserves the credit for that innovation, not 28 Days Later.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 16, 2014 16:31:43 GMT -5
1983 was a very weak year. 1983 was filled with beloved comedies that you guys were too snobby to consider. No it's not. The only movies from 2002 that people care about are Spider-Man, LOTR, and Harry Potter. Then there's movie fans that support Minority Report, people who were children in 2002 that consider Lilo & Stitch to be a classic, and musical theater performances who love Chicago. That's it. That's 2002. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 16, 2014 17:08:47 GMT -5
1983 was a very weak year. 1983 was filled with beloved comedies that you guys were too snobby to consider. Sigh, whatever dude. You're forgetting City of God, The Pianist, 28 Days Later, 25th Hour, Adaptation, The Ring (kicked off the Japanese horror remake trend) and The Bourne Identity. Plus the other great movies which don't have the impact to be important, but are great none the less like About Schmidt, Punch-Drunk Love, Catch Me If You Can, Gangs of New York, and Road to Perdition. The fact that we're locked in a pretty heated debate regarding which films should make the cut is evidence that 2002 is a bigger year than you seem to think. |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 16, 2014 17:28:19 GMT -5
You're forgetting City of God, The Pianist, 25th Hour, Adaptation, Name me 10 people you know, outside the Internet and in your film class, who have seen those movies. Regardless of how important that movie is, I doubt the average person has seen it. The movie made a grand total of $82.7 million worldwide. It was a fad that didn't last very long. Which we've spent several pages debating if its even important or not. I'll give you Road to Perdition and MAYBE About Schmidt, but those other movies aren't great. Each one has big flaws that prevent it from being more than 3 stars. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2014 17:28:44 GMT -5
28 Days Later invented the idea of the "fast zombie," which really shook things up. Weren't there fast zombies in the Resident Evil games? I won't argue that 28 Days Later in a more "artistic" way, though. I feel like it was inevitable a fast zombie movie would come, 28 Days Later was just the first. Not really. Most of the zombies in the resident evil games are your traditional Romero slow shuffling zombies. Fast zombies weren't really introduced to the series until the Gamecube remake of the original game, and even then they were only one enemy type. That game came out in the March of 2002, technically predating 28 Days Later but probably not an inspiration to it. |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 16, 2014 17:32:39 GMT -5
technically predating 28 Days Later That settles it. 28 Days Later is out. |
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