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Post by Dracula on Oct 2, 2016 10:22:19 GMT -5
Would Yi-Yi be considered 2000 or 99? 2000. It had its first public premiere in May of 2000 at Cannes |
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 2, 2016 10:24:34 GMT -5
Even for its own country?
If thats the case then I might choose that one instead of something else.
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Post by Deexan on Oct 5, 2016 18:57:26 GMT -5
Definites:
Gladiator
Requiem for a Dream
X-Men
Potentials:
Amores Perros
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
American Psycho
Traffic
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WTF is Wreckmeister whateveritscalled? Is Drac just being super-niche for the sake of niche? Because I've literally never heard of this movie before.
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Post by Justin on Oct 5, 2016 19:33:28 GMT -5
It's a great film but I'm not sure how "important" it is.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 5, 2016 19:43:06 GMT -5
Crouching Tiger seems like a must for me. It certainly inspired a bunch of similar Wuxia epics, but more importantly it was that rare foreign import that had tremendous appeal to art house and mainstream audiences.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 5, 2016 20:05:36 GMT -5
It's a great film but I'm not sure how "important" it is. I don't know, I feel like Bela Tarr's basic pacing has been fairly influential with the long shots and whatnot. I feel like it definately had an effect on the Romanian New Wave for example. Crouching Tiger seems like a must for me. It certainly inspired a bunch of similar Wuxia epics, but more importantly it was that rare foreign import that had tremendous appeal to art house and mainstream audiences. I don't know. I think the wuxia epics were kind of always there and the west just wasn't paying attention and that the west stopped paying attention again not long after. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 5, 2016 20:15:14 GMT -5
Crouching Tiger seems like a must for me. It certainly inspired a bunch of similar Wuxia epics, but more importantly it was that rare foreign import that had tremendous appeal to art house and mainstream audiences. I don't know. I think the wuxia epics were kind of always there and the west just wasn't paying attention and that the west stopped paying attention again not long after. If anything I'd say that makes Crouching Tiger more important. It stands out within its genre and is probably the definitive representation of it. |
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Post by Dracula on Oct 5, 2016 20:16:16 GMT -5
I don't know. I think the wuxia epics were kind of always there and the west just wasn't paying attention and that the west stopped paying attention again not long after. If anything I'd say that makes Crouching Tiger more important. It stands out within its genre and is probably the definitive representation of it. I don't think actual Chinese audiences would agree with that. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 6, 2016 10:23:38 GMT -5
Werckmeister Harmonies is an astounding achievement in blocking, directing, and cinematography. I'm definitely keeping it on my list.
I think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is one of the most important films of this year. Up to that point, Chinese films were essentially unseen by most audiences outside of the country, largely due to its cinema being heavily censored other than Hong Kong. We had either Zhang Yimou films or John Woo films or Communist propaganda films, all drastically different from one another and really other than the Woo action flicks and some of Yimou's work had little resonance here. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was pivotal in tying Western and Eastern audiences, and as we all know today Hollywood is factoring China into its films probably more than we've ever seen American movies directly catering to another country. Hell, that was probably the first (might be only still) foreign film a lot of people went to see in theaters. If Neverending can make the absurd argument for Disney movies like Alice in Wonderland paving the way for Disney live action movies, then Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon paving the way 16 years ago for the beginning of the America-China film relationship has to be taken even more seriously.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 6, 2016 10:39:10 GMT -5
I think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is one of the most important films of this year. Up to that point, Chinese films were essentially unseen by most audiences outside of the country, largely due to its cinema being heavily censored other than Hong Kong. We had either Zhang Yimou films or John Woo films or Communist propaganda films, all drastically different from one another and really other than the Woo action flicks and some of Yimou's work had little resonance here. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was pivotal in tying Western and Eastern audiences, and as we all know today Hollywood is factoring China into its films probably more than we've ever seen American movies directly catering to another country. Hell, that was probably the first (might be only still) foreign film a lot of people went to see in theaters. If Neverending can make the absurd argument for Disney movies like Alice in Wonderland paving the way for Disney live action movies, then Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon paving the way 16 years ago for the beginning of the America-China film relationship has to be taken even more seriously. I'm not sure I agree with that. For one thing, Crouching Tiger isn't really a Chinese movie, it's Taiwanese, and that's a whole different political ballgame from mainland China and is not unlike the history of Hong Kong films in the west. I also feel like you're ignoring the very long history of martial arts movies and wuxia films getting exposure in the united states going back to the days of Bruce Lee and the Shaw Brothers and up through the era of Jet Li and Jackie Chan. It also ignores a number of Chinese films that did quite well with art house crowds in the west like Raise the Red Lantern and Farewell My Concubine or the works of Wong Kar Wai. The only difference is that Crouching Tiger had a bit more crossover between the general public and the more respectable art house/awards audiences and that hasn't really been replicated a whole lot since then outside of maybe Hero. It kind of feels like a blip in some ways. I'm not hell bent against it making the list, but if its between that and some other movies I'm not sure I'd go with it on the importance. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 6, 2016 10:49:29 GMT -5
You're right, I did forget about the influx of martial arts films in the 70s, and those certainly had a large impact on American cinema. You're also right that it's a Taiwanese film, I thought for some reason it came from Hong Kong so my mistake, and that's certainly a very different thing since people from Taiwan want no association with China whatsoever. I did mention Zhang Yimou films, I'm a huge fan of his, but again those weren't met with nearly the widespread appeal of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon nor did they create a ripple effect in regards to an influx of Chinese cinema that we saw in the following years. Hell, Hero as you mentioned was a Zhang Yimou film, and since then he's moved into mainstream action flicks, Wong Kar Wai has done the same like with The Grandmaster. So not only is America catering to China, but China has been doing the same and we've even seen the country's best arthouse directors adapt to these demands. I'm not saying Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is the best that Asian cinema has to offer, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that its importance stretches beyond just its introduction to a lot of Western audiences.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 6, 2016 19:06:32 GMT -5
Okay after reading about it i will throw support behind werckmeister.
So right now Gladiator, Requiem, XMen, Crouching Tiger are in.
Its between Werckmeitser and In the mood for love for 5th spot.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 6, 2016 19:07:21 GMT -5
I vote In the Mood for Love.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 6, 2016 19:09:05 GMT -5
I'd vote In the Mood.
It's one of the only post 2000 films on the Sight and Sound poll
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Post by Dracula on Oct 6, 2016 20:41:16 GMT -5
Werckmeitser
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 6, 2016 21:23:38 GMT -5
wreckmaster
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 7, 2016 9:52:36 GMT -5
Tough but I'll go In the Mood for Love.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 7, 2016 17:50:29 GMT -5
Really? After you statement above I thought you'd vote the other way.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 9, 2016 9:19:59 GMT -5
Okay then In the Mood for Love gets in. (why is it important by the way? I'm sincerely asking, I dont know anything about it)
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Post by Dracula on Oct 9, 2016 9:29:19 GMT -5
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City Lights
Frankenstein
The Public Enemy
The Champ
Kind of an odd year because either Frankenstein or Dracula could represent Universal horror while either Little Caesar or The Public Enemy could represent Warner Brothers gangster movies, but including all four seems excessive.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 9, 2016 14:48:15 GMT -5
I like Dracula's list, but might wanna drop off The Champ for Dracula.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 9, 2016 15:26:58 GMT -5
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Frankenstein
The Public Enemy
Little Caesar
Edward G Robinson is just too iconic for me to leave out.
I'd replace The Public Enemy for Monkey Business with the Marx Brothers if I knew there was support.
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Post by Ramplate on Oct 9, 2016 17:00:06 GMT -5
Dracula
Frankenstein
City Lights
The Public Enemy
The Champ
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 11, 2016 11:46:37 GMT -5
Really? After you statement above I thought you'd vote the other way. I'd have both on there if I could, but In the Mood for Love is more universally accessible and talked about by critics and public. Not many outside of cinephiles are familiar with Bela Tarr, even though they should be because the man is a game changer when it comes to tracking shots and character blocking and showcasing how fantastic a film can be without a reliance on constant cutting. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 11, 2016 11:49:39 GMT -5
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Frankenstein
The Public Enemy
The Champ
I'd go for Dracula, but tough for me to do so when we have a superior monster flick in Frankenstein from the same year.
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