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Post by Dracula on Oct 29, 2014 14:47:58 GMT -5
V for Vendetta is something I probably would have been more inclined to support in a weaker year. The mask has certainly been co-opted, but that goes back to the comic book. Yeah, but the comic book isn't what ignited OUR generation to use it as a symbol. It was the movie. I think in 100 years people will look back on V for Vendetta as an early 21st century movie that influenced politics and society. The same way that historians now look back at Birth of a Nation as the movie that re-energized the KKK. Birth of a Nation didn't re-energize hate groups, it mostly just inspired the hate groups that existed to wear a specific halloween costume while engaging in the hate crimes they were planning to do anyway. Similarly I find the influence of V for Vendetta to be a bit... superficial. It's a movie that presents a fairly typical Orwellian future and does give it a bit of a Bush-era slant, so I can see why it would make for an alright artifact of the times, but was it truely influential? Eh, I don't know about that. The fact that more filmmakers haven't focused on "the other" when it comes to war films is exactly why Letters from Iwo Jima is so important. It's one of the few American films to portray "the enemy" of a major war, and it does so without resorting to plugging in a white protagonist for North American audiences to get behind. Dude. Let's be real. Letter from Iwo Jima came and went. It made no impact whatsoever. OUR generation has the September 11 attacks and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have our own problems. To think a movie about World War II, regardless from who's point of view, will matter is a very outdated way of thinking. If you want to make an impact by presenting the enemy's point of view and have REAL BALLS in doing so, then do it about the problems we're facing now. I consider Letters From Iwo Jima to be a very modern look at war, at least on an allegorical level. The Japanese were, after all, an army that employed Kamikaze pilots, and you see that same suicidal zeal in the fighters on Iwo Jima. As such it isn't that hard to see the conflict as not being all that unlike the troubles with suicide bombers we were seeing in 2006. That having been said, I still don't know that I can make the leap of calling it "important." I should probably note that when I say "important" I generally mean "influential," something that other filmmakers took note of and tried to emulate. LFIJ I feel like of got ignored and over-looked in the grand scheme of things and didn't end up being as important as it should have been. |
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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2014 15:17:58 GMT -5
2006 wasn't that long ago. We KNOW the Iwo Jima movie didn't make an impact. It got ignored by audiences and didn't affect Hollywood. Like I've been saying from day one, don't let your personal opinions get in the way of being objective. Iwo Jima had ZERO impact.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 29, 2014 18:36:20 GMT -5
Wow, that WAS a lot of discssion, and I just got home from work.
As far as the documentary thing goes, I personally would like to leave them out. But we can see what the consensus is. Although IF we want them, I agree that this one was important. But I get thebs's irk with Seven up.
I would love to see Children of Men included, but are we just including it because we love it? Or is there an actual impact there?
Borat definitely, thats one I would have forgotten about.
I think United 93 is important as well.
Sorry PG, I'm not seeing Iwo Jima. Its very good, but I don't think its impact was that great.
What are the Bond fans' thoughts on Casino Royale?
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Post by Dracula on Oct 29, 2014 18:49:12 GMT -5
Wow, that WAS a lot of discssion, and I just got home from work. As far as the documentary thing goes, I personally would like to leave them out. But we can see what the consensus is. Although IF we want them, I agree that this one was important. But I get thebs's irk with Seven up. I would love to see Children of Men included, but are we just including it because we love it? Or is there an actual impact there? Borat definitely, thats one I would have forgotten about. I think United 93 is important as well. Sorry PG, I'm not seeing Iwo Jima. Its very good, but I don't think its impact was that great. What are the Bond fans' thoughts on Casino Royale? I don't know that Seven-Up got dismissed simply because it was a documentary, it just didn't get many takers and then we ended up arguing about Mary Poppins and I Am Cuba and it got lost in the shuffle. Children of Men is kind of on that borderline between Merely good and truely important, but I do think it started a handful of trends. I feel like super long tracking shots became a much bigger trend after it came out (obviously there were plenty of them throughout film history, but they became very trendy after CoM). Also I feel like its take on post-apocalypse has been influential. That video game The Last of Us drew some clear inspiration for example. As for Casino Royale... I don't think we need to include it. It's had a lot of influence over exactly two movies: Quantum of Solace and Skyfall. I don't know that we should be including a film simply for influencing its own sequels. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 29, 2014 19:09:48 GMT -5
I was thinking Casino more for the "rebooting" idea.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 29, 2014 19:55:13 GMT -5
I was thinking Casino more for the "rebooting" idea. That was pioneered by Batman Begins |
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 29, 2014 19:55:35 GMT -5
Riiiiiiight
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 29, 2014 19:59:14 GMT -5
Eh, Batman Begins did it first. Besides, the Bond films have so little continuity that it's almost unnoticeable.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2014 20:47:25 GMT -5
Casino Royale made parkour mainstream. In the past 8 years how many movies, TV shows and YouTube videos have you seen with idiots running through walls? So, if we're considering Children of Men because of "long tracking shots" which was technically made popular by Brian De Palma in the 70's and 80's, then YES, we should count Casino Royale.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 29, 2014 20:47:55 GMT -5
How about The Departed?
Long awaited Scorcese Oscar, endless imitators in the Boston/Irish American crime drama, and led to a resurgence in national interest arguably leading to Whitey Bulger's capture.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 29, 2014 21:04:30 GMT -5
Casino Royale made parkour mainstream. In the past 8 years how many movies, TV shows and YouTube videos have you seen with idiots running through walls? So, if we're considering Children of Men because of "long tracking shots" which was technically made popular by Brian De Palma in the 70's and 80's, then YES, we should count Casino Royale. Parkour was made mainstream by Youtube, it was already kind of passe by the time James Bond got around to doing it. How about The Departed? Long awaited Scorcese Oscar, endless imitators in the Boston/Irish American crime drama, and led to a resurgence in national interest arguably leading to Whitey Bulger's capture. I really like that movie, but it's another one that doesn't necessarily strike me as important. I feel like that Boston thing goes back to Mystic River. |
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Post by donny on Oct 29, 2014 21:17:09 GMT -5
Pan's Labyrinth
The Departed
Casino Royale
United 93
Borat
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 29, 2014 22:03:37 GMT -5
Hey, donny's here!
Okay, I think Children of Men, Borat, United 93 and it looks like Pan's Labyrinth.
5th spot? V for Vendetta and Departed have been mentioned, or Casino Royale, Mission Impossible 3, Iwo Jimi, Paprika
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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2014 22:41:59 GMT -5
I'm watching television and a T-Mobile commercial with people randomly doing parkour was just shown. I think that's a sign. So... Casino Royale.
Borat
Casino Royale
Children of Men
Pan's Labyrinth
United 93
Next year, Ian.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 29, 2014 23:10:10 GMT -5
I'm watching television and a T-Mobile commercial with people randomly doing parkour was just shown. I think that's a sign. So... Casino Royale. Borat Casino Royale Children of Men Pan's Labyrinth United 93 Next year, Ian. Dude, quit trying to cut off the discussion like that, it's annoying. Anyway, my initial ballot had Mission Impossible 3 down, but my perception of its influence probably has more to do with my personal pet peeves then with anything that will probably ever be recorded by film historians. So, what does that leave us with? I guess Neverending maybe had a point about V for Vendetta popularizing the Guy Fawks mask. Before I sort of dismissed that but I was kind of thinking the competition was a little stiffer than it apparently was. Anyone have any more compelling arguments for some of the other ones? |
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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2014 23:25:52 GMT -5
Anyone have any more compelling arguments for some of the other ones? You guys don't want documentaries, so I got nothing besides V for Vendetta. I could make an argument for Fast Food Nation, but that will be a giant waste of time since everyone dismisses that movie as liberal propaganda. |
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 29, 2014 23:35:57 GMT -5
Yeah, it'd be nice if I didn't come back from work to find an hours old post about how discussion is low and that we should move on.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 29, 2014 23:36:31 GMT -5
Anyone have any more compelling arguments for some of the other ones? You guys don't want documentaries, so I got nothing besides V for Vendetta. I could make an argument for Fast Food Nation, but that will be a giant waste of time since everyone dismisses that movie as liberal propaganda. I sort of like that movie, but would never call it great. How is it influential? I mostly remember it being a box office bomb that most people didn't like. The book it was based on and Super Size Me both seem to have had way more of an effect at making people angry the fast food industry. |
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 29, 2014 23:37:58 GMT -5
Funny thing is that Super Size Me appears now to be a bit made up.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2014 23:39:08 GMT -5
Super Size Me definitely got in the way, but that movie has flawed logic. Who the heck eats McDonalds everyday for 31 days straight? OF COURSE you're gonna get sick. Fast Food Nation is a much more realistic portrayal of the industry. But, I'm alone in those views. |
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Post by Deexan on Oct 30, 2014 5:49:39 GMT -5
I'm watching television and a T-Mobile commercial with people randomly doing parkour was just shown. I think that's a sign. So... Casino Royale. Jason Bourne says hello. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 30, 2014 7:21:48 GMT -5
2006 wasn't that long ago. We KNOW the Iwo Jima movie didn't make an impact. It got ignored by audiences and didn't affect Hollywood. Like I've been saying from day one, don't let your personal opinions get in the way of being objective. Iwo Jima had ZERO impact. I had valid reasons for pushing for Iwo Jima beyond my own affection for it. Still, it's clearly a lost cause. I think The Departed should be considered for its crossover appeal. Critics, cinephiles, and mainstream audiences all seemed to agree that it was a great movie. It's a movie that's very easy for anyone to get behind. Having said that, I'm okay with V for Vendetta. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 30, 2014 7:55:50 GMT -5
Okay everyone, V for Vendetta or Departed?
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 30, 2014 8:09:15 GMT -5
I vote Departed.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 30, 2014 8:45:40 GMT -5
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