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Post by IanTheCool on May 23, 2016 15:03:23 GMT -5
Broadway Melody deserves to be there, simply for laying the foundation for musicals at that time. Sorry you guys don't like it, but I think it was important for this time period.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 23, 2016 15:11:06 GMT -5
Broadway Melody deserves to be there, simply for laying the foundation for musicals at that time. Sorry you guys don't like it, but I think it was important for this time period. I'd argue The Love Parade and Hallelujah! are both more important musicals in terms of technological advancement and social relevance, respectively. Also, my resistance toward The Broadway Melody has little to do with my own disdain for it (I've fought for plenty of films I dislike and outright hate). Rather, because it's a film which is entirely dated and that no one cares about any more.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 23, 2016 17:06:28 GMT -5
Broadway Melody should absolutely not be on this list, and Cooper has detailed that to a T. Just because something is the "first" of something, doesn't always make it important. Like Cooper said, it's a technology that was going to be utilized sooner or later, and just because The Broadway Melody of 1929 jumped on the sound hype and churned out a shit movie faster than others did doesn't make it important. It wasn't the first talkie, it wasn't the first film to showcase the behind-the-scenes drama of film and theater, and there's nothing memorable about the film at all other than it won the 2nd Best Picture Oscar. If this was a weak year, I'd say fuck why not. But this year we actually have some really strong films that truly were important to cinema.
Seriously, can anyone even recall one thing from that movie? I sure as hell can't, I watched it once to say I have and don't need to revisit it ever again.
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Post by Ramplate on May 23, 2016 17:12:26 GMT -5
Broadway Melody deserves to be there, simply for laying the foundation for musicals at that time. Sorry you guys don't like it, but I think it was important for this time period. I'd argue The Love Parade and Hallelujah! are both more important musicals in terms of technological advancement and social relevance, respectively. Also, my resistance toward The Broadway Melody has little to do with my own disdain for it (I've fought for plenty of films I dislike and outright hate). Rather, because it's a film which is entirely dated and that no one cares about any more. But it was a huge deal then: 12th top grossing picture that year AND it won the Best Picture Oscar. "The Broadway Melody is released by MGM and becomes the first major musical film of the sound era, sparking a host of imitators as well as a series of Broadway Melody films that will run until 1940." 1929-1940 that's eleven straight years.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 23, 2016 17:17:03 GMT -5
It seems to be more than just a first. It sort of wrote the textbook on how musicals in that age were made.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 23, 2016 19:22:32 GMT -5
"The Broadway Melody is released by MGM and becomes the first major musical film of the sound era, sparking a host of imitators as well as a series of Broadway Melody films that will run until 1940." 1929-1940 that's eleven straight years. That's a little misleading. Yes, there were sequels in that time span, but only three. It's not like the series dominated the 1930s. By that logic we could say they've made Tron films from 1982 to 2010, 28 years straight. On top of that, the other films aren't really sequels. None of the actors or the director from the original returned and there are no reoccurring characters, they just all have the same basic premise of people putting on a show. It seems to be more than just a first. It sort of wrote the textbook on how musicals in that age were made. Did it? The most popular and well-remembered musicals of the 1930s are generally the Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers collaborations, which generally focused more on individuals and pairs dancing rather than the large ensembles depicting in Broadway. And I still am questioning how important The Broadway Melody was in terms of creating and influencing these other films. The same year as Broadway Melody also gave us Syncopation, Close Harmony, Fox Movietone Follies of 1929, Broadway, One With the Show, Dance of Life, Applause, and Broadway Scandals. All musicals which deal with young and aspiring singers trying to make it on the stage. Some of these films were released just a month or two after The Broadway Melody and were surely in production before that film was released. So, I wonder, was Broadway Melody really the influence, or did it just beat these films to the punch? On top of that, what about Al Jolson's The Singing Fool (1928) and The Jazz Singer (1927), also musicals which depicted the spectacle and drama of stage performance and did it before Broadway Melody? In any event, we could probably go in circles about this forever. The Broadway Melody is an important film and if people really want it here I want actively oppose it. Frankly, I'm more interested in making sure Un Chien Andalou, Man with a Movie Camera, and Pandora's Box make it than I am that Broadway Melody doesn't.
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Post by Dracula on May 23, 2016 19:26:43 GMT -5
I'd argue The Love Parade and Hallelujah! are both more important musicals in terms of technological advancement and social relevance, respectively. Also, my resistance toward The Broadway Melody has little to do with my own disdain for it (I've fought for plenty of films I dislike and outright hate). Rather, because it's a film which is entirely dated and that no one cares about any more. But it was a huge deal then: 12th top grossing picture that year AND it won the Best Picture Oscar. "The Broadway Melody is released by MGM and becomes the first major musical film of the sound era, sparking a host of imitators as well as a series of Broadway Melody films that will run until 1940." 1929-1940 that's eleven straight years. 12th? We're calling it one of the five most important movies of the year because it was the twelth most popular at the domestic box office? Also it wasn't eleven straight years, they made three sequels (which were sequels in title only), one in 1936, one in 1938, and one in 1940. It seems to be more than just a first. It sort of wrote the textbook on how musicals in that age were made. Nah, that would be The Jazz Singer. The Love Parade is a lot closer to what we think of when we think of musicals today. The Broadway Melody was just one of many musicals released that year to exploit sound technology like On with the Show (1929), Gold Diggers of Broadway (1929), and Sally (1929).
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Post by IanTheCool on May 23, 2016 22:00:32 GMT -5
Alright, I'll concede.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jun 6, 2016 23:28:03 GMT -5
Un Chien Andalou Man with a Movie Camera Pandora's Box The Love Parade Hallelujah! Okay, we will go with PG's list. Next year: 1932
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Post by Dracula on Jun 7, 2016 6:31:34 GMT -5
Vampyr
Trouble in Paradise
Scarface
Blood of a Poet, The
Boudu Saved From Drowning
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Post by IanTheCool on Jun 7, 2016 7:52:23 GMT -5
1932? Wow, Al Pacino is oooooooold
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 7, 2016 9:38:45 GMT -5
Grand Hotel - a massive upgrade in art direction by Cedric Gibbons that raised the bar for future films.
I Am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang - made the American public start to question the state of the Justice system and resulted in the release of many prisoners.
Freaks - derailed the career of Director Todd Browning (director of the classic Dracula starring Bela Lugosi). Pre-code movie that Had to be heavily cut to appeal to the sensibilities of the public, and still disturbed audiences so much that it was banned in several places with one woman threatening to sue for her miscarriage. It has since become a cult classic.
This is the Night - debut of Carey Grant
A Bill of Divorcement - debut of Katherine Hepburn
Not to forget Tarzan the Ape-man -- debut of champion swimmer Johnny Weissmuller, first Cheetah, and origin of the famous Tarzan yell.
The Red-Haired Alibi - Shirley Temple's feature debut, I really should put this on my list because she was the most popular child star of her time and an icon ever since.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 7, 2016 10:04:28 GMT -5
1. Freaks: A shocking film in it's day which become embraced as counter-culture and gone on to form a pretty sizeable reputation and fan base. A unique work of horror filmmaking that takes an interesting (and more sophisticated than expected) take on people with disabilities.
2. Scarface: A cornerstone of the 1930s gangster pictures which has been very influential and highly regarded.
3. Trouble in Paradise: Helped coin the term the "Lubitsch touch". An early example of a sound film wherein the director's authorial presence was felt in a mainstream work.
4. I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang: An issue movie which revealed to mainstream America the horrors of prison life and the chain gang. Led to real change in the prison systems of the day.
5. Grand Hotel: Introduced the idea of an all-star cast as well as the idea of a film centered around simply observing a large group of people and their interactions with each other. Also a huge hit and the line "I want to be alone" is pretty famous.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 7, 2016 11:23:35 GMT -5
Vampyr Freaks Boudu Saved from Drowning Trouble in Paradise Scarface
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 7, 2016 12:23:01 GMT -5
Question
Why Bondu, and Blood of a Poet?
I get the other choices
Oh, and I want to change my Carey Grant pic for the Shirley Temple pic for the reason stated above
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Post by Dracula on Jun 7, 2016 20:40:48 GMT -5
Question Why Bondu, and Blood of a Poet? Boudu was an inovative comedy from Renoir. I probably won't fight to hard for it though. As for Blood of a Poet... take a look at this video at the 26 minute mark:
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 7, 2016 22:00:52 GMT -5
I might be open to dropping one of my bottom two choices for Blood of a Poet. The influence of technique on Inception the above video demonstrates is certainly interesting, and the film also looks to have played an important part in the surrealist, non-conformity filmmaking of the 30s.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 8, 2016 6:12:55 GMT -5
Ah, so they stretched the boundaries of imagination in the sound generation of movies.
I can get behind that one. Replace the Katherine Hepburn movie with The Blood of a Poet on my list then. I still think Shirley Temple was a huge discovery though.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 1, 2016 10:41:26 GMT -5
I would agree with Grand Hotel, Chain Gain, and Freaks. I will take your word for it on Blood of the Poet.
Ramplate, I really dont think that actor debuts are a good reason for the list.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 1, 2016 20:55:13 GMT -5
What Ian said.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 1, 2016 21:41:34 GMT -5
I would agree with Grand Hotel, Chain Gain, and Freaks. I will take your word for it on Blood of the Poet. Ramplate, I really dont think that actor debuts are a good reason for the list. So what's our fifth? Scarface? Vampyr?
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 2, 2016 1:12:03 GMT -5
My argument for Shirley Temple is that she was the biggest child phenomenon of the depression era. The top box office draw from 1935-1938, her likeness was on all kinds of products - Shirley Temple dolls alone made $45 million by 1941. Those are Great Depression years, which in my mind, make it more impressive.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 2, 2016 11:18:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying that SHE"S not influential, but that doesn't mean that the first movie she was in is. Now, if her fame was directly tied to that oneparticular film, that's something else.
Scarface seems to be mentioned more than Vampyr, so lets make that our fifth.
Next year:1952
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Post by Dracula on Jul 2, 2016 11:31:57 GMT -5
Ikiru
High Noon
Umberto D
Singin' in the Rain
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 2, 2016 14:43:37 GMT -5
1. Singin' in the Rain: Perhaps the most popular musical of all-time and a beloved classic.
2. High Noon: A smart Western which asks bold questions, subtly critiques McCarthyism, and pissed a whole lot of people off.
3. Ikiru: Not as flashy as something like Seven Samurai, but this is a revered film seen by many as Kurosawa's masterpiece. Influenced subsequent films about people facing death.
4. Umberto D.: Not as major as The Bicycle Thieves, but a highly important work of Italian Neorealism.
5. Europe '51: Another crucial Neorealist effort which was highly bold and faced tremendous censorship in its day.
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