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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 7, 2016 17:40:10 GMT -5
Nichols is awesome, but he's got nothin' on Antonioni.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 7, 2016 18:00:23 GMT -5
Blowup instead of Woolfe is a-OK with me.
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 12, 2016 8:54:26 GMT -5
Okay, so Good Bad Ugly is in, as is Andrei Rublev. Battle of Algeirs and persona too I think.
Otherwise we've got Wolfe, Blowup Fantastic Voyage in the running for fifth spot.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 12, 2016 9:10:03 GMT -5
Me, Coop, and Sno seem to have agreed on Blowup, any objections?
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 13, 2016 18:42:07 GMT -5
Alright, fine.
Next year:1999
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Post by Dracula on Mar 13, 2016 18:51:17 GMT -5
Magnolia Fight Club Matrix, The Phantom Menace, The Blair Witch Project, The
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 13, 2016 19:07:26 GMT -5
Magnolia The Matrix Fight Club The Blair Witch Project Eyes Wide Shut
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 13, 2016 20:07:05 GMT -5
1. Fight Club: A modern classic for a generation. Tons of memorable quotes and scenes along with one hell of a plot twist.
2. The Matrix: Changed action films and blockbusters in general.
3. Being John Malkovich: The arrival of Charlie Kaufman and Spike Jonze. Kaufman's script in particular is pretty unique and has influenced a lot of similar high concept films.
4. Magnolia: Highly ambitious film which proved Anderson was the real deal. A film that has the ability to touch people in a way few do (something many critics have attested to) and is heavily praised. Ingmar Bergman cited it as an exceptional example of American cinema. Then you've got the iconic frog scene and the cast sing-a-long has been copied elsewhere.
5. The Sixth Sense: It's easy to mock now, but the impact of this film in 99 was huge. This was a massive hit that delivered an iconic ending and inspired a bunch of similar twist endings.
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The Blair Witch Project: The found footage horror thing has turned into a really big deal, and while this was groundbreaking, it didn't really catch on until films like Cloverfield and Paranormal Activity.
The Phantom Menace: The biggest letdown of all time.
Eyes Wide Shut: A daring final effort from one of the best filmmakers of all time.
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 13, 2016 20:53:04 GMT -5
Ugh, Magnolia, really?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 13, 2016 20:54:20 GMT -5
Oh no, how could I have forgotten Being John Malkovich. I'm swapping that one in for Eyes Wide Shut.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 13, 2016 21:07:15 GMT -5
Would Crash and Babel and a handful of other "hyperlink" movies have come out in the mid-2000s if not for Magnolia's revival of that format? I think not.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 13, 2016 21:12:18 GMT -5
Also, I think The Phantom Menace should objectively belong on here. Say what you will about Jar Jar, but it was the first fully CGI character at that scale and there were many many imitators afterwards. We take this for granted now, but it was a pretty big thing at the time. For better or worse it ushered in an era where visual effects on that scale were both accepted and normal. Also, like, the word prequel barely seemed to exist before that movie and now they're a pretty common franchise expansion strategy. Beyond that its cultural stamp has been pretty extensive, there are lines and elements of it that can be instantly recognized and its disappointing release is a pretty big touchstone in geek culture.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 13, 2016 21:36:19 GMT -5
Would Crash and Babel and a handful of other "hyperlink" movies have come out in the mid-2000s if not for Magnolia's revival of that format? I think not. No one gives a shit about Babel. And if it hadn't won Best Picture, no one would talk about Crash - ever. Magnolia isn't really that popular anymore except for the occasional Tom Cruise spoof. Boogie Nights, and There a Will Be Blood to some extent, are the only PT Anderson movies that most people give a fuck about,
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 13, 2016 22:30:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Magnolia?
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Post by Neverending on Mar 14, 2016 5:19:30 GMT -5
Movies more culturally relevant than Magnolia: Office Space Austin Powers 2 (Mini-Me, Fat Bastard) American Pie American Beauty Toy Story 2
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 14, 2016 5:35:33 GMT -5
Movies more culturally relevant than Magnolia: Office Space Austin Powers 2 (Mini-Me, Fat Bastard) American Pie American Beauty Toy Story 2 Office Space is a good one. I'll check the list of films on my commute, but I'm leaning towards that.
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Post by RedStorm901 on Mar 14, 2016 5:56:21 GMT -5
American Beauty.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 14, 2016 6:29:31 GMT -5
Movies more culturally relevant than Magnolia: Office Space Austin Powers 2 (Mini-Me, Fat Bastard) American Pie American Beauty Toy Story 2 Office Space is a good one. I'll check the list of films on my commute, but I'm leaning towards that. I considered Dogma, but Kevin Smith ruined his legacy in the past decade.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 14, 2016 9:39:01 GMT -5
Also, I think The Phantom Menace should objectively belong on here. Say what you will about Jar Jar, but it was the first fully CGI character at that scale and there were many many imitators afterwards. We take this for granted now, but it was a pretty big thing at the time. For better or worse it ushered in an era where visual effects on that scale were both accepted and normal. Also, like, the word prequel barely seemed to exist before that movie and now they're a pretty common franchise expansion strategy. Beyond that its cultural stamp has been pretty extensive, there are lines and elements of it that can be instantly recognized and its disappointing release is a pretty big touchstone in geek culture. Fair point. I'll drop The Sixth Sense for Phantom Menace. Movies more culturally relevant than Magnolia: Office Space Austin Powers 2 (Mini-Me, Fat Bastard) American Pie American Beauty Toy Story 2 Office Space is something of a cult classic and is a pretty good encapsulation of that type of job, but I don't think it's all that important in the grand scheme of things. Austin Powers 2 introduced some funny charicatures, but it's an imitation of the first film in every way and isn't as well regarded as other comedies of the decade. Also, in terms of youth comedies, I don't think we need American Pie when we already have Animal House and Superbad. Different eras, sure, but their tapping into the same thing. Also, the American Pie series quickly devolved into direct to video garbage. American Beauty isn't popular anymore either. The notion of Sam Mendes being some bold new filmmaker has mostly fizzled (even if I have liked his other films mostly) and things like the plastic bag have not aged well. Toy Story 2 is also unneeded. Toy Story 1 is a lock when we get to 95 and 3 is already in the list. The whole trilogy doesn't need to be represented. As for Magnolia. As Drac pointed out, the film really revived the hyper-link format that was very prevalent in the ensuing decade. It's also an aggressively studied film with several essays being dedicated to unpacking it and understanding its themes. It's a film that inspires a passion in people that few can. From Roger Ebert's heaping praise in 2008, to others saying the film changed their life, to Ingmar Bergman praising the film for it's strength. Then there are scenes like the cast singing to Aimee Mann and the frog raining, both of which are totally unique and have been referenced and parodied since. The frog scene in particular is very famous. It's also a film that continues to influence young filmmakers who see the magnitude of Anderson's technical skills and the scope of his vision. Finally, not only is Magnolia an influential hyperlink film, but is in many ways the ultimate one. It really pushes the themes of connections, coincidences, and consequences, in a deeper and more profound way than any other film of the genre.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 14, 2016 11:09:44 GMT -5
I don't think we need American Pie when we already have Animal House and Superbad. I would argue that American Pie is more important than Superbad. American Pie resurrected the 80's style sex comedy. Superbad was just a beneficiary of that. Keep in mind that both movies are LESS than 10 years apart. Meanwhile, there's a 21-year gap between Animal House and American Pie. This is why we need more female members. Here's the thing. Pulp Fiction has also been aggressively dissected, but it's also a movie that's culturally relevant. Magnolia isn't. That's what separates an important movie from a non-important one. In 50 years, no one is gonna give a shit about Magnolia. Not even academics.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 14, 2016 11:28:42 GMT -5
I don't think we need American Pie when we already have Animal House and Superbad. I would argue that American Pie is more important than Superbad. American Pie resurrected the 80's style sex comedy. Superbad was just a beneficiary of that. Keep in mind that both movies are LESS than 10 years apart. Meanwhile, there's a 21-year gap between Animal House and American Pie. American Pie may have helped place the emphasis on teens, but the sex comedy was already on the rise thanks to There's Something About Mary, which is also listed. In any event, American Pie is a foot note in film history and the sequels will lead to it not being remembered fondly. Pulp Fiction has a lot more "cool" elements which have allowed it to endure. Magnolia is a lot more depressing. To compare the two for popularity alone isn't fair. Beyond that, I think you're undervaluing how passionate people get about Magnolia. This is a film that inspires a die-hard response in the people who love it, and for that reason I think the film will endure past fifty years. Besides, you're telling me no one will care about Magnolia in 50 years but they will American Pie, Austin Powers, and Office Space? Beyond that, Drac and I have both cited elements from the film which have inspired other filmmakers. This isn't a case of valuing the film strictly for popularity. Also, I should point out that in Empire Magazine's top 500 films of all-time, Magnolia is ranked the third highest of 1999 films (beneath Fight Club and The Matrix). This is significant given the list is composed by both critics and fans, so it isn't just a case of high-brow critics loving the movie.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 14, 2016 11:33:41 GMT -5
you're telling me no one will care about Magnolia in 50 years but they will American Pie, Austin Powers, and Office Space? Maybe not Austin Powers and American Pie, but definitely Office Space. Mike Judge has already proven to be ahead of his time. Idiocracy, a movie destroyed by the studio, is being resurrected in pop culture because of Donald Trump. Office Space will continue to connect with audiences - especially as real jobs get replaced by robots and humans end up wasting their life behind a desk.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 14, 2016 11:39:03 GMT -5
you're telling me no one will care about Magnolia in 50 years but they will American Pie, Austin Powers, and Office Space? Maybe not Austin Powers and American Pie, but definitely Office Space. Mike Judge has already proven to be ahead of his time. Idiocracy, a movie destroyed by the studio, is being resurrected in pop culture because of Donald Trump. Office Space will continue to connect with audiences - especially as real jobs get replaced by robots and humans end up wasting their life behind a desk. I'll grant that Office Space will definitely have more staying power, but I still don't think it needs to be listed. I guess what it comes down to is the central importance of the film is it's depiction of men being disillusioned with their place in life, emphasized by a mind-numbing and unfulfilling jobs. The thing is, Fight Club and The Matrix depict this too. The work place itself isn't as prominently featured in those films, but it is there. Both of those films are more worthy for the list and cover the aforementioned topics adequately.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 14, 2016 12:22:38 GMT -5
American Beauty is a very good film, but important? I dunno, it's a tough year, I definitely considered that one. Toy Story 2 is awesome, but I think it's actually the lesser in quality and importance among the three in the trilogy, so no for me on that. The other movies you listed, come on now. Office Space is hilarious, but important? The other two aren't even worth my time to explain why they don't belong on this list.
I can't go for Phantom Menace, despite Dracula giving a very convincing argument why. I know this is the "important" movies list and not the best of the year list, but I can't commit to a crappy movie being important because in the end it failed on being a quality product. Was it the biggest movie of 1999? Absolutely. But it's just so fucking awful, I can't do it.
I'm sticking with these: Magnolia The Matrix Fight Club The Blair Witch Project Being John Malkovich
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 14, 2016 12:40:21 GMT -5
Neverending, is your official list the five you posted as an attack on Magnolia? I only ask because I'm surprised you wouldn't put The Matrix at least.
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