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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2023 16:46:24 GMT -5
Now we all know that Ingmar Bergman wasn't a horror director what this video presupposes is... maybe he was? I watched a Bergman movie recently that was labeled as “horror” and I couldn’t have rolled my eyes any further back.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 29, 2023 16:49:11 GMT -5
Now we all know that Ingmar Bergman wasn't a horror director what this video presupposes is... maybe he was? I watched a Bergman movie recently that was labeled as “horror” and I couldn’t have rolled my eyes any further back. Was it Hour of the Wolf?
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Post by Neverending on Oct 29, 2023 16:52:18 GMT -5
I watched a Bergman movie recently that was labeled as “horror” and I couldn’t have rolled my eyes any further back. Was it Hour of the Wolf? Persona. It’s on HBO Max.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 7, 2023 9:04:58 GMT -5
The first ever Eyebrow Cinema Christmas Special.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 11, 2023 17:34:20 GMT -5
I’ve been rewatching James Bond movies and it is probable that Coop is once again incorrect. This year marked the 40th anniversary of Battle of the Geezers Bonds, which Coop naturally didn’t do a video on, he’s a true fan ya know. Over the weekend, I watched Octopussy and Never Say Never Again, and it got me thinking about this video. Not the video itself. I don’t remember a single thing about the video. Nor did I bother to rewatch it. Instead, I watched a Tasting History video on WWII era chocolate chip cookies. Maybe if Coop did videos on food, I might be more inclined to watch. No — it got me thinking about Coop’s premise that OHMSS is the last Bond movie in the classic 1960’s style. I don’t believe that’s true. OHMSS was followed by the Guy Hamilton/Tom Mankiewicz trilogy that tended to be low-scale but high on humor. They have a lot in common with the John Glen movies of the 1980’s that paved the way for contemporary Bond movies. You see, the Sean Connery movies of the 1960’s were really fantasy films and now Bond movies are unquestionably action films. But this transition didn’t fully occur till John Glen took over in the 1980’s. That’s how he was able to make movies with Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton, two polar opposites as Bond, and still maintain a distinct style for the era. More on that later. The other thing to consider, and this is where I’ll dispute Coop’s premise, is the two Lewis Gilbert movies sandwiched in between the Hamilton-Mankiewicz trilogy and the decade of Glen. Those movies were very much in the spirit of the 1960’s Bond and one could argue that Moonraker is in fact the last Bond movie of the classic era. I’ll do a deep dive on Moonraker at a later date. I do have a bone to pick with IanTheCool in regards to Moonraker. I’m fighting the Canadians over the French co-production of Moonraker. Stay tuned, folks. For now, I’m gonna circle back to Octopussy and Never Say Never Again. Individually, they’re both mediocre. Octopussy has great action scenes but a super weak script about a jewelry caper that doesn’t mesh well with the main threat of a rogue Russian general. Never Say Never Again has Sean Connery, a much better cast and Irvin “Empire Strikes Back” Kershner at the helm, but it’s also an unnecessary remake of Thunderball. However, paired together, they are a lot more interesting and tell a story that’s relevant to Coop’s premise. When Roger Moore was cast as Bond, he signed on to a three-picture deal. Starting with Moonraker, he was on a picture-to-picture deal. Moonraker was a no-brainer. Financially, his first two movies struggled. It was only after Lewis Gilbert stepped in, with his take on the series, that audiences finally accepted Moore in the role. Moonraker was his way to cement that. But starting with For Your Eyes Only, Moore had to constantly be pressured to sign on, so the filmmakers always had to work on neutral ground. That’s how John Glen was able to tailor his movies for Moore, momentarily Pierce Brosnan and then Timothy Dalton without making any major creative adjustments. In the case of Never Say Never Again, audiences have a notion of what a Connery Bond movie is supposed to be, and it’s interesting to watch how Irvin Kershner taps into that without infringing on Thunderball. Side by side, Octopussy and Never Say Never Again is a tug of war of Bond styles while also confronting the landscape of 1980’s action films. Interesting stuff. Could have made a fun video essay. Anyhoo, back to Tasting History. There’s a video on JFK’s last meal that I have bookmarked to watch.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 13, 2023 8:50:35 GMT -5
I’ve been rewatching James Bond movies and it is probable that Coop is once again incorrect.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 13, 2023 17:53:37 GMT -5
I’ll deal with this later. In the meantime… People don't give Roger Moore credit for surviving three phases of James Bond. His first two efforts were a bridge between the fantasy adventure of the 60's and trends from the 70's (blaxploitation, Bruce Lee knock off's). His next two films were blockbusters and his last three were 80's action movies. In that 12 year period they could have had three actors with their own distinct style but Roger Moore plowed through it with not too much compromise. He's labeled the funny Bond but he could be serious or an action star when he needed to. What held all these performances together were his charm and sense of humor. For Your Eyes Only was his biggest attempt to be taken seriously as James Bond. It's grounded in reality and story driven and the action scenes don't rely on gadgets or fantasy. But it's also not immune to the occasional one-liner. Many consider it the best of the Roger Moore era - or at least second best if pressured to choose The Spy Who Loved Me. Quite frankly, I've never bought into that. For Your Eyes Only can be boring at times. The pre-title sequence is fantastic, it features James Bond disposing of Blofeld. There's two fun action scenes, a car chase and a ski chase. And good gags sprinkled throughout the film. Oh - and Roger Moore kicks a car off a ledge. Badass! The rest doesn't work for the simple fact it's a weak revenge story. James Bond is investigating a Greek crime lord and runs into a woman avenging the death of her parents. That's fine except when the villain is forgettable. It has the opposite problem of Live and Let Die. That movie is littered with great villains and henchmen but the premise is idiotic. Here, you got a decent plot wasted on villains you won't even remember once the end credits start rolling. Post Death Ranking 1. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) 2. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974) 3. A View to a Kill (1985) 4. Live and Let Die (1973) 5. For Your Eyes Only (1981) 6. Octopussy (1983) 7. Moonraker (1979) Pre Death Ranking 1. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) 2. A View to a Kill (1985) 3. For Your Eyes Only (1981) 4. Octopussy (1983) 5. Moonraker (1979) 6. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974) 7. Live and Let Die (1973) Original Ranking (1995) 1. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) 2. Octopussy (1983) 3. A View to a Kill (1985) 4. The Man with the Golden Gun (1973), first 007 movie I saw 5. For Your Eyes Only (1981) 6. Moonraker (1979) 7. Live and Let Die (1973) Up next: Sean Connery Death Watch This was the first time since Roger Moore’s death that I plowed through all seven of his movies. I also watched the Sean Connery ones, but more on that later. I like Roger. He’s a good dude and his movies have their fun moments, but he’s not at Sean Connery’s level. Not even close. Not even in the same stratosphere. I just don’t understand what his take is supposed to be. Calling Roger “the funny Bond” or “the campy Bond” is an oversimplification. Sean Connery actually played the role of a humorous and campy Bond a lot better than Roger Moore. I haven’t watched PG Cooper’s video on Never Say Never Again, but I am almost certain he didn’t do a side-by-side comparison of Connery in NSNA and Moore in Octopussy. If he did, you’d see that Connery leaned in on the quips and gags a lot more than Moore did. And Connery’s performance there is not that much different than the one he did in Diamonds Are Forever. So, Roger Moore came into the role of Bond knowing full well that Connery had range as Bond. Connery could be Fleming-esque. He could be Connery-esque. He could do a parody of Bond. That didn’t leave Moore with a lot of options. In Live & Let Die, he almost comes across as the straight man to all the eccentric villains. He’s almost too posh here, a contrast to the American-based and blaxploitation-inspired bad guys. In his two Lewis Gilbert movies, he’s more relaxed as Bond and plays more to his strengths, but he also gets lost in the spectacle, something that never happened to the other fella (Connery). And in the John Glen movies, he was far too old and always seemed uncomfortable and uncertain in what was being asked of him. The Man with the Golden Gun is the only time that Roger Moore seemed to be trying to be James Bond. New Ranking: 1. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974) 2. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) 3. Moonraker (1979) 4. A View to a Kill (1985) 5. For Your Eyes Only (1981) 6. Octopussy (1983) 7. Live and Let Die (1973) PG Cooper is doing a double take like the pigeon in Moonraker. I’ll let it marinate for a bit. We’ll conclude this conversation at a later date.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 13, 2023 17:55:05 GMT -5
That Moore ranking is insane.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 13, 2023 20:27:25 GMT -5
1. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974) 2. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) 3. Moonraker (1979) 4. A View to a Kill (1985) 5. For Your Eyes Only (1981) 6. Octopussy (1983) 7. Live and Let Die (1973) PG Cooper is doing a double take like the pigeon in Moonraker. I’ll let it marinate for a bit. We’ll conclude this conversation at a later date.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 16, 2023 17:16:35 GMT -5
That Moore ranking is insane. — — — — — — TWINE might be my least favorite Bond movie. It was the only one where I walked out of the theater feeling legitimately disappointed and I was 14 when it came out, you're supposed to like everything when you're 14. To me TWINE is solidly middle of the pack in the Bond franchise, not sure I understand strong feelings about it one way or the other. TWINE is one of those movies that's easy to hate. Just like Avatar is Dances with Smurfs and The Force Awakens is a New Hope remake. They cast Denise Richards as Christmas Jones and that's all the ammunition people need. Even though the character isn't really a big part of the movie. Elektra King (Sophie What's Her Face) is the actual Bond girl in the movie and the story is basically a reverse OHMSS. Since PG Cooper did a whole video on the “last James Bond movie”, here’s a thought, is Goldeneye the last James Bond movie? Having rewatched it this past week, it truly feels like a classic style Bond movie (the villain even has an evil lair) but updated for the 1990’s. They didn’t capitalize on that with Tomorrow Never Dies. Pierce Brosnan’s second outing is a fun action film, but that’s all it is, an action film. You could have given Brosnan’s character a different name and it wouldn’t have made a difference. That brings us to the World Is Not Enough, infamously known as Doomsday’s least favorite Bond movie. That means Doomsday feels that Moonraker and Die Another Day are better movies. Let that stir in your head while you bitch about my current Moore ranking. I don’t dislike TWINE. The boat chase is awesome. Elektra King is a good villain. And we learned that Christmas comes more than once a year. But I’m puzzled by what the movie was trying to accomplish. Pierce Brosnan is playing it straight, he’s more Timothy Dalton here than Sean Connery. The plot is a bit more grounded, basically, Elektra wanted to take control of the oil pipelines in post Soviet territories. But all this clashes with John Cleese as R, Denise Richards performance and the return of the Russian mobster from Goldeneye. Where’s Jack Wade in all this? The movie even ends with a Roger Moore style sex gag. Did they take two different scripts and merge them together? TWINE feels like they planted the seeds to what would become Daniel Craig’s tenure, but Broccoli & Wilson were two scared to move away from the classic format, so they compromised. Although, it’s funny that in the course of three movies, M and Moneypenny went from calling Bond a Cold War era dinosaur to doing Roger Moore era pratfalls.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 16, 2023 18:37:05 GMT -5
Neverending, the master of the old post deep dive. But yes, I still strongly dislike TWINE.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 17, 2023 2:23:45 GMT -5
Neverending, the master of the old post deep dive. I’m not done yet. This is one of the worst Bond flicks thus far. The story is wildly disconnected and it all ends with a garbage space battle. Let me explain. Why is it disconnected? This story jumps all over the place and really seems to have no ties to scenes or ideas that came before it. We start with a space shuttle getting stolen, which is cool, and Bond goes to the research facility in California to investigate. So far so good, the movie is about an evil plot in space, things are making sense. Then we start taking wild diversions and end up in Venice for some reason. Actually there is a reason, so we can have a motorized gondola chase. Then we go to Rio I guess, and we get yet another boat chase this time in the Amazon. I actually kind of liked this one. Then he starts exploring some magical garden, fights of snakes, etc. But regardless, it seemed like they just wanted Bond in as many exotic locales as possible. And thats fine, thats part of what Bond is, but it felt so blatant here that it didn't work. They should have been more focused in locations that made sense for the overall story. Okay, then we get to the space stuff. Aside from the fact that Bond going into space is stupid just as a general idea, it gets worse. The Villain plot to kill off humans and repopulate with beautiful people is taken to seriously (as accented by the music. Then the Americans come (I can't remember how they found it) and engage in a battle similar to the underwater battle from Thunderball. Except with way more lasers. Oh, the lasers! Honestly, what a crap scene. Alright, Canadians. You ready? Let’s go. I watched, maybe, 5 minutes of PG Cooper’s video. The gist of it is that George Lazenby’s Bond has “feelings”, so it’s the last James Bond movie. Yeah, okay. Timothy Dalton and Daniel Craig exist. That kills the argument right there. Also, in spite of all the efforts made by the filmmakers, George Lazenby is not the same Bond as Sean Connery. We saw how Connery reacted when he got the Masterson sisters killed in Goldfinger. He’s not the crying type. He’s the strangling Blofeld to death type. Timothy Dalton and Daniel Craig play it closer to Connery than Lazenby does. Lazenby is a pussy bitch, like Roger Moore or Pierce Brosnan being emotional on the beach. If you’re gonna make a thesis that a certain Bond movie is the last of the classical era, the answer is Moonraker. Yes. Moonraker. Moonraker (1979)It has been two years since Daniel Craig’s tenure as James Bond came to an end. It’s actually a lot longer than that when you factor in Covid delays. Daniel Craig hasn’t been James Bond since, really, 2019 when No Time to Die wrapped up production. We’re about two weeks away from 2024. What is the future for James Bond? What does James Bond even mean in the 2020’s? Other than Goldeneye, which I mentioned earlier today, there hasn’t really been a classic style Bond movie since Moonraker all the way back in 1979. Star Wars was only one movie back then — and a shitty holiday special. That’s how long ago that was. The John Glen movies were just 1980’s action films. Other than Goldeneye, the Pierce Brosnan movies had an identity crisis. And then there’s Daniel Craig’s Jason Bourne masquerading as James Bond. Moonraker really and truly closed the door on what would be considered a classic style Bond film. Moonraker begins with the theft of a spaceship. We already saw this occur in You Only Live Twice and similarly occur (but with a submarine) in the Spy Who Loved Me. And you could also count Thunderball since the theft of nuclear weapons in that film is as cartoony as anything in the Lewis Gilbert movies. Before the plot could move forward, we get the first big stunt. James Bond is pushed out of a plane and has to fight for a parachute. There was no CGI back then. Stunt people had to do this for real and it’s why people went to watch James Bond movies. This is followed by the opening credits that features a song co-written by John Barry and performed by Shirley Bassey. Quite fitting for the last James Bond movie. Now that the movie has properly began, we meet our villain Hugo Drax. The character of Hugo Drax does exist in the novels, and there is a novel called Moonraker, but neither has anything to do with this movie. Hugo Drax, as created by Ian Fleming, was a former Nazi scientist now working for the good guys. That version of Hugo Drax has more in common with the time-traveling villain from Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. This Hugo Drax is just Blofeld under a different name because of contractual reasons. Drax’s big scheme is to execute a 20th century Noah’s Ark. We’ve barely scratched the surface and already have an outlandish plot, Shirley Bassey and James Bond getting shoved out of a plane. Bond survives that first attempt on his life (in the Bond universe, no one ever just shoots the guy) and begins his investigation in California. There he meets CIA agent Holly Goodhead (yes — that’s her name) and survives another attempt on his life. This one reminiscent of the exercise machine in Thunderball, but less ridiculous. Is PG Cooper paying attention? These are called tropes. In that section of the movie, there’s another callback to Thunderball, one involving Bond firing shotguns with the villain. In the midst of all this, Bond finds the time to have sex with one of Drax’s employees and gets her killed. How many women have died because they slept with James Bond? The man is his own sexually transmitted disease. Here’s where the movie lost IanTheCool. Don’t worry, Ian. I got ya. Bond’s investigation in California leads him to Venice where he locates a factory making glass vials for Drax Industries. We get a big action scene, more stunts and a pigeon doing a double take. The factory leads him to Rio de Janeiro, where Drax is using a rare orchid from the Amazon to create a nerve gas deadly to humans. He meets up with Jaws, the henchman from the previous Bond movie, and more action scenes and stunts occur. This all culminates in Bond and Holly Goodhead going into space and engaging in a battle with laser guns. As you can tell, Moonraker is no different than Casino Royale. They’re practically the same movie. Okay. Maybe not. But is Moonraker any different than Thunderball, You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved Me? Is it any different than Goldfinger breaking into Fort Knox? Is it any different than Blofeld creating a space weapon in Diamonds Are Forever? Is it any different than Christopher Lee solving the energy crisis in Golden Gun? This is what Bond movies used to be, Saturday morning cartoons. So what if George Lazenby cried in that one movie? Elmer Fudd finally killed Bugs Bunny and cried like a little bitch afterwards. Sometimes cartoons get serious, bro. Moonraker really marked the end of a particular era for James Bond. For Your Eyes Only started an era of James Bond movies that eventually led to Daniel Craig. Roger Moore is the key to all this, not George Lazenby. Your essay? Wrong.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 17, 2023 8:02:39 GMT -5
I'm not reading multiple paragraphs from someone who watched five minutes of a video I made two years ago. I get enough of that in my comments section.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 1, 2024 9:34:25 GMT -5
Top Ten Best Movies Watched in 2023
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Post by Neverending on Jan 24, 2024 22:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jan 26, 2024 23:28:04 GMT -5
“Rosie O’Donnell as Betty Rubble? She should play Fred!” That’s a real quote by Doomsday that appears on this video. What’s the timestamp? Well, you’re gonna have to watch the video and find it yourself.”
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 10, 2024 9:45:48 GMT -5
I was also 18 when I first watched The Manchurian Candidate. It’s one of those films that blew my mind when I saw it.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 10, 2024 13:21:33 GMT -5
Coincidentally, just yesterday, I listened to the early 60's episode of Cinema in Seconds where you lamented The Manchurian Candidate getting left off AFI's updated Top 100 list.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2024 14:31:39 GMT -5
Coincidentally, just yesterday, I listened to the early 60's episode of Cinema in Seconds where you lamented The Manchurian Candidate getting left off AFI's updated Top 100 list. Speaking of Manchurian Candidate, I believe your first viewing of that was thanks to yours truly recommending it to you in the second round ever of the CS Film Club way back in 2006 and is one of only a handful of reviews from that thread that's been preserved:
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 10, 2024 14:34:37 GMT -5
and is one of only a handful of reviews from that thread that's been preserved Jibbs sent me some Word docs a while back that have all posts from that thread from the beginning thru round 180. I can send them your way if interested.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2024 14:52:39 GMT -5
and is one of only a handful of reviews from that thread that's been preserved Jibbs sent me some Word docs a while back that have all posts from that thread from the beginning thru round 180. I can send them your way if interested. Yeah, Interested
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 10, 2024 14:57:06 GMT -5
Jibbs sent me some Word docs a while back that have all posts from that thread from the beginning thru round 180. I can send them your way if interested. Yeah, Interested One of my favs.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 10, 2024 15:00:40 GMT -5
and is one of only a handful of reviews from that thread that's been preserved Jibbs sent me some Word docs a while back that have all posts from that thread from the beginning thru round 180. I can send them your way if interested. He hasn't been on since December...
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