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Post by thebtskink on Sept 6, 2018 21:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 6, 2018 23:10:17 GMT -5
Hey, what's your beef with Joe Rogan?
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 6, 2018 23:28:55 GMT -5
Hey, what's your beef with Joe Rogan? Apart from often giving a platform to vile dickheads, he also frequently sounds off on political and social issues which, as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't have any insights on. Not saying he isn't allowed an opinion, but I don't think he has much to offer in discussion, at least outside the realm of comedy. Worse yet are a good chunk of his fans who worship at his altar and view his podcast as the height of critical discourse when, by his own admission, its just him talking to people he finds interesting. I wouldn't mind so much, except the people he finds interesting are hateful assholes, and that a lot of episodes tend to be Rogan letting people like Ben Shapiro rant about how transgender people are mentally ill or Jordan Peterson on how universities have been infiltrated by Postmodern Neo-Marxists threatening to upend Western civilization, and Rogan will seldom challenge this shit.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 6, 2018 23:31:34 GMT -5
Newsradio was great. Joe Rogan was on it. Andy Dick was on it too. But Newsradio was great.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 6, 2018 23:49:56 GMT -5
Hey, what's your beef with Joe Rogan? Apart from often giving a platform to vile dickheads, he also frequently sounds off on political and social issues which, as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't have any insights on. Not saying he isn't allowed an opinion, but I don't think he has much to offer in discussion, at least outside the realm of comedy. Worse yet are a good chunk of his fans who worship at his altar and view his podcast as the height of critical discourse when, by his own admission, its just him talking to people he finds interesting. That's exactly why people dig him, he just wants to have conversations with his guests. I don't listen to every episode but I've enjoyed most of the ones I've listened to even if I don't agree with the people he has on. He's had everyone from Neil deGrasse Tyson to Jordan Peterson and he doesn't want to grill them, he just wants to talk about ideas and he frequently pushes back without coming off as combative or overly partisan. I don't think he's ever labeled himself as being an authority on anything outside of mixed martial arts but the people he has on are often experts in a ton of fields from economics to music to mental health.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 7, 2018 0:04:23 GMT -5
Apart from often giving a platform to vile dickheads, he also frequently sounds off on political and social issues which, as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't have any insights on. Not saying he isn't allowed an opinion, but I don't think he has much to offer in discussion, at least outside the realm of comedy. Worse yet are a good chunk of his fans who worship at his altar and view his podcast as the height of critical discourse when, by his own admission, its just him talking to people he finds interesting. That's exactly why people dig him, he just wants to have conversations with his guests. I don't listen to every episode but I've enjoyed most of the ones I've listened to even if I don't agree with the people he has on. He's had everyone from Neil deGrasse Tyson to Jordan Peterson and he doesn't want to grill them, he just wants to talk about ideas and he frequently pushes back without coming off as combative or overly partisan. I don't think he's ever labeled himself as being an authority on anything outside of mixed martial arts but the people he has on are often experts in a ton of fields from economics to music to mental health. The problem is some of his guests should be challenged. I added some to my original post, but to reitterate, having someone like Peterson go on unchallenged rants about how Universities are indoctrinated and will lead to tyranny are ideas that should be challenged. Consider that Peterson was really railing against was a bill that added gender identity/expression to the Canadian Human Rights act, basically to protrct trans people from discrimination and hate crimes. Yet to listen solely to Peterson is to get the impression that you could be arrested for misgendering something and that this was a frequent problem in Canadian universities (I work for a Canadian university; it isn't). But instead of challenging any of this, Joe just nods along and agrees. Joe may never have claimed himself to be an expert, but his show has a huge audience and influence. As far as I'm concerned, that comes with it a responsibility to consider what messages his content produces, and who is harmed. This is also why having "expert" guests is an issue, as it means someone like Ben Shapiro can spout his hateful bullshit and Joe doesn't have the background to be able to counter his points.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 7, 2018 0:43:14 GMT -5
But I don't think he wants to, he wants to have a discussion instead of a brawl. Peterson for example, and Shapiro for that matter, are not only highly educated and highly intelligent, they're very, very skilled debaters whether you agree with them or not. I don't think having bare knuckle debates is the kind of podcast he wants to have, we have our news stations for that. He wants to talk to people about ideas and why people have them and he also probably knows that if he were to press someone like Peterson or Shapiro he'd probably get destroyed.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 7, 2018 6:45:56 GMT -5
I don't watch Rogan's stuff very regularly but I am generally impressed by how many long-form interviews he's done with guests you don't see elsewhere and how his interviews tend to allow for a different kind of discussion than what you get from most media sources. I can see how that approach wouldn't be ideal for interviewing someone like Ben Shapiro (I haven't seen the two episodes you highlighted) but I there is some value in seeing how people like that function on neutral ground as opposed to how they function in their own bubbles or when they're arguing with hostile questioners.
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Post by thebtskink on Sept 7, 2018 8:32:23 GMT -5
Newsradio was great. Joe Rogan was on it. Andy Dick was on it too. But Newsradio was great. What's my point? The best thing Jon Lovitz ever did was punch out Andy Dick. For that alone, I will buy him a free drink if I ever see him.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 7, 2018 10:15:09 GMT -5
Newsradio was great. Joe Rogan was on it. Andy Dick was on it too. But Newsradio was great. What's my point? The best thing Jon Lovitz ever did was punch out Andy Dick. For that alone, I will buy him a free drink if I ever see him. I think years ago I'd have agreed with that, back when the only context for the fight was Dick's "Phil Hartman hex" comment. Then a few years later I found out that it all stemmed from back on the set of Newsradio's final season when Lovitz blamed Dick for Hartman's death by making his wife relapse on her addictions. Lovitz's accusation wasn't unfounded, but this whirlwind that led to a murder behind the scenes of one of my all time favorite sitcoms... I think Dick is more haunted by his contribution to Hartman's death than he lets on, and that night he was just being a jackass about it. I don't like feeling sad when I think of Newsradio, so I prefer to put the incident behind me and just enjoy my memories of the show. Rogan has some great stuff about Newsradio on his podcast too, including him and Dave Foley bullshitting about it and sharing memories of Phil Hartman (who sounds like a really fascinating guy). I would however buy Lovitz a drink for being what I feel is one of the more underrated comic performers of the 90's. I'd love to pick his brain about The Critic any day of the week.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 7, 2018 13:38:31 GMT -5
But I don't think he wants to, he wants to have a discussion instead of a brawl. And I'm fine with that when he's just shooting the shit with eccentric people talking about art, comedy, or MMA, but when dealing with real issues that really effect people, I'd argue there's a greater responsibility to consider what messages you're enabling. This is a side-tangent, but I totally disagree that these two are good debaters, especially if what you value in debate is a discourse of ideas. Shapiro doesn't care about anything but showing that he's right and proving that the other person is wrong, so he'll twist their words, through out uncited statistics/claims, and just ignore claims that challenge his position, no matter how valid. If your only goal in debating is to "win", then this is an effective strategy, but it's not intellectually honest. Peterson's whole tactic, meanwhile, is to throw out provocative dog whistle statements that send his messages, while simultaneously being vague enough to have plausible deniability. For example, the dude will say something like that women who wear make-up and high heels in the work place are displaying themselves sexually in a conversation about sexual harassment in the work place. The obvious implication is that women who wear make-up and high heels are asking for it, but Peterson is vague enough that when someone calls him on it he plays dumb. Basically the only reason these two come off good in debates is because of disingenuous tactics which are about protecting themselves and their brands first and foremost.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 7, 2018 14:35:44 GMT -5
Shapiro and Peterson are frauds.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 7, 2018 14:36:02 GMT -5
Newsradio was great. Joe Rogan was on it. Andy Dick was on it too. But Newsradio was great. What's my point? The best thing Jon Lovitz ever did...
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The best thing Jon Lovitz ever did...
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Post by Dracula on Sept 7, 2018 15:14:38 GMT -5
But I don't think he wants to, he wants to have a discussion instead of a brawl. And I'm fine with that when he's just shooting the shit with eccentric people talking about art, comedy, or MMA, but when dealing with real issues that really effect people, I'd argue there's a greater responsibility to consider what messages you're enabling. This is a side-tangent, but I totally disagree that these two are good debaters, especially if what you value in debate is a discourse of ideas. Shapiro doesn't care about anything but showing that he's right and proving that the other person is wrong, so he'll twist their words, through out uncited statistics/claims, and just ignore claims that challenge his position, no matter how valid. If your only goal in debating is to "win", then this is an effective strategy, but it's not intellectually honest. Peterson's whole tactic, meanwhile, is to throw out provocative dog whistle statements that send his messages, while simultaneously being vague enough to have plausible deniability. For example, the dude will say something like that women who wear make-up and high heels in the work place are displaying themselves sexually in a conversation about sexual harassment in the work place. The obvious implication is that women who wear make-up and high heels are asking for it, but Peterson is vague enough that when someone calls him on it he plays dumb. Basically the only reason these two come off good in debates is because of disingenuous tactics which are about protecting themselves and their brands first and foremost. You might want to spend less time hate-watching alt right dudes.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 7, 2018 15:25:24 GMT -5
The best thing Jon Lovitz ever did... I love that show so much. #Season3OnNetflixPlease
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 7, 2018 15:31:22 GMT -5
And I'm fine with that when he's just shooting the shit with eccentric people talking about art, comedy, or MMA, but when dealing with real issues that really effect people, I'd argue there's a greater responsibility to consider what messages you're enabling. This is a side-tangent, but I totally disagree that these two are good debaters, especially if what you value in debate is a discourse of ideas. Shapiro doesn't care about anything but showing that he's right and proving that the other person is wrong, so he'll twist their words, through out uncited statistics/claims, and just ignore claims that challenge his position, no matter how valid. If your only goal in debating is to "win", then this is an effective strategy, but it's not intellectually honest. Peterson's whole tactic, meanwhile, is to throw out provocative dog whistle statements that send his messages, while simultaneously being vague enough to have plausible deniability. For example, the dude will say something like that women who wear make-up and high heels in the work place are displaying themselves sexually in a conversation about sexual harassment in the work place. The obvious implication is that women who wear make-up and high heels are asking for it, but Peterson is vague enough that when someone calls him on it he plays dumb. Basically the only reason these two come off good in debates is because of disingenuous tactics which are about protecting themselves and their brands first and foremost. You might want to spend less time hate-watching alt right dudes. It certainly isn't on purpose. I have friends who talk up certain folks as being amazing voices I should listen to and I try to hear them out, usually to disappointing results. I've mostly stopped giving the benefit of the doubt to these friends. Peterson is also someone who is taken seriously as an academic and he also has given a talk at my school, so I feel a certain responsibility to know my shit if I want to critique him.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 7, 2018 16:14:59 GMT -5
I make a point to not know shit about anything I criticize. It makes my inane ramblings more amusing.
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Boy, That Escalated Gradually: Anchorman’s Ron Burgundy Is Getting His Very Own PodcastRon Burgundy, the legendary reporter featured in 2004’s “Anchorman” film, has a podcast coming to iHeartRadio in early 2019. Co-produced by Funny Or Die, the 12-episode “The Ron Burgundy Podcast” will launch in the first quarter of next year. A second season is expected to air in mid-2019.“Listen, I don’t know what a podcast is, but I currently have a lot of time on my hands and a lot to talk about,” said Burgundy. “I am also broke. Therefore, I am very excited to do this podcast. It is literally saving my life.”“To be honest, we don’t want to do this podcast and we just want to get this announcement over with as soon as possible,” said Conal Byrne, president of the iHeartPodcast Network. “Ron quite literally forced us into making this podcast with him, first calling us more than one hundred times in a single day and then proceeding to actually show up at our doorstep and physically force himself into our studios. We do hope the podcast is well-received, but in the meantime, we hope by agreeing to do the announcement he will stay away.”It has not been announced if Will Ferrell, who played Burgundy in the film and its 2013 sequel, will appear as Burgundy for the podcast. Burgundy will release an official trailer in the coming months on iHeartRadio and “everywhere else podcasts are heard.” The anchorman returned to Twitter after a four-month hiatus and interacted with CNN’s Don Lemon in a humorous exchange regarding White House press credentials.variety.com/2018/film/news/ron-burgundy-podcast-anchorman-launch-iheartradio-1203078823/
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