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Post by Doomsday on Jan 18, 2015 15:10:24 GMT -5
Sitting in the theater of Clint Eastwood's second film of 2014, American Sniper, I noticed that the demographics leaned largely toward the 60-80 year old age range. That's entirely whom this film is aimed at. Eastwood for the most part makes moving, powerful and straightforward films in traditional narratives that are entertaining and overly philosophical while not necessarily being deep. American Sniper is made in the same manner highlighting the exploits of Chris Kyle, Navy SEAL and the deadliest sniper in recorded US history. It's an entertaining, suspenseful movie that is Eastwood's best since Letters from Iwo Jima. Like I said earlier however, it is made for the traditional crowd in that it's a straight-forward, not overly artistic or original film.
Bradley Cooper stars as Kyle, the Chief Petty Officer who comes to be known as 'Legend' among the infantry he's assigned to protect in Iraq. The movie cuts back and forth between his early years as a rodeo cowboy and his decision to join the Navy after seeing an embassy bombing on television. He's quickly shuffled along through the movie from BUDs training to seasoned sniper while struggling to raise a family back home.
American Sniper does what it means to do and does it well. It's suspenseful and energetic even during times when you know full well what's going to happen and therein lies some of the movies weaknesses. The movie is so ripe with war movie cliche, almost every one you can think of, that it's next to impossible to not see where the movie is going. A guy starts describing the ring he bought for his soon-to-be fiancé? You know how this scene is going to wind up. A military funeral? You can be sure that everyone will flinch during the twenty-one gun salute. And I have to admit that I was nervous in the opening scene also shown in the trailers where Cooper has his crosshairs on a little boy carrying a grenade towards American troops. He's getting ready to pull the trigger when his spotter whispers 'They'll burn you if you're wrong. You'll go to Leavenworth.' Wait, your job is to spot the targets, not sow seeds of doubt in my brain during the worst possible moment and explaining consequences that everyone is already fully aware of. That aside, however, the movie is a solid watch and while it might not challenge you or have that 'art house' feel to it, it's nice to see Eastwood come back with a film such as this after so many missteps as of late.
B+ so says Doomsday
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Post by Neverending on Jan 18, 2015 15:19:23 GMT -5
All the "bloggers" disagree with you. Let's see what the CS! community has to say.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 18, 2015 15:29:36 GMT -5
I haven't read the blogs, are they pro or anti-American Sniper? I just know that it's in the mid-70s on RT.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 18, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
I haven't read the blogs, are they pro or anti-American Sniper? Let me put it this way. One guy compared American Sniper to the German propaganda film in Inglorious Bastards.
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Post by iverdawg on Jan 18, 2015 16:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jan 18, 2015 17:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by iverdawg on Jan 18, 2015 17:14:37 GMT -5
Yeah, people tend to often have the same thought.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jan 18, 2015 17:20:50 GMT -5
iverdawg is gonna love me after I say this : I just got back from seeing it, and American Sniper is Clint Eastwood's best film since Letters From Iwo Jima.
Yeah. That just happened.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 18, 2015 17:27:38 GMT -5
iverdawg is gonna love me after I say this : I just got back from seeing it, and American Sniper is Clint Eastwood's best film since Letters From Iwo Jima.
Yeah. That just happened. But it is, keeping in mind that those movies consist of Jersey Boys and J. Edgar.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jan 18, 2015 17:30:31 GMT -5
Well, let me put it this way: it's a return to form for him and I'd certainly rank it amongst the Best of 2014.
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Post by FShuttari on Jan 18, 2015 18:05:38 GMT -5
American Sniper - 10/10
Gran Tarino - 9.5/10
Letters from Iwo Jima - 9/10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 22:15:50 GMT -5
This movie looks completely uninteresting. Not to mention it has a very distinct "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" look.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 19:01:44 GMT -5
Was not as good as I was expecting. A 7/10 at best. The film seemed rushed and very paint by numbers.
Gran Torino is still Eastwood's best in my book.
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Post by daniel on Jan 19, 2015 19:51:38 GMT -5
I don't have a lot to say - the trailer was extremely tense, the film was just kind of your usual run-of-the-mill army/terrorist killing stuff with a likable lead and a good story. I can't help but recall Hurt Locker and Enemy at the Gates as more interesting and tense in terms of both army and/or sniper movies. Not a bad film by any means, enjoyable at the least, but nothing special, either.
7/10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 19:53:14 GMT -5
I liked Lone Survivor more.
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Post by FShuttari on Jan 19, 2015 21:28:42 GMT -5
Never saw Lone Survivor, but I hear good things.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jan 19, 2015 22:10:26 GMT -5
Not to mention it has a very distinct "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" look. Oh it is. It very much is.
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Post by mikeyb on Jan 20, 2015 8:18:31 GMT -5
This movie looks completely uninteresting. Not to mention it has a very distinct "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" look. Looks a hell of a lot more interesting than boyhood, birdman or any of the other shitty Oscar bait movies this year.
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Post by Seakazoo on Jan 20, 2015 9:22:57 GMT -5
And the least surprising reaction to the movie comes from brave hero and documentary filmmaker Michael Moore
"My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse"
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Post by FShuttari on Jan 20, 2015 10:36:36 GMT -5
And the least surprising reaction to the movie comes from brave hero and documentary filmmaker Michael Moore "My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse" I question that guys sanity sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 10:45:09 GMT -5
Not to mention it has a very distinct "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" look. When did this become a bad thing? I mean unless you are Michael Moore.
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Post by Seakazoo on Jan 20, 2015 11:23:21 GMT -5
And the least surprising reaction to the movie comes from brave hero and documentary filmmaker Michael Moore "My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse" I question that guys sanity sometimes. I've enjoyed replacing "sniper" with other words so I can at least laugh about the comment. My uncle killed by tuba player in WW2. We were taught tuba players were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Tuba players aren't heroes. And pianists r worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 16:02:23 GMT -5
So because one blogger thinks the film did not show enough non-action, paperwork and intel gathering etc etc, this makes the film too pro-American and makes the civilian population think that the elite forces like the SEALs are just warriors killing the enemy in God Mode or something? The article, while true that films don't show boring paperwork that is done in the military (gee I wonder why), doesn't really make any valid point to someone with any kind of intellect. The elite forces are trained to be just that, elite. Does that make them invincible? Nope, and to think a movie makes someone believe that is just sad. No one I know got that from this film or Lone Survivor. Or Rambo for that matter. If the blogger (and yourself) think that the average American is this stupid, the problem isn't with the films it is with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 16:11:01 GMT -5
You didn't understand the point of the op-ed. Horton is saying that making these kinds of movies, while they might be entertaining, is not a realistic depiction of war. Horton, who mentioned this as well, was actually enlisted too. I don't even see what there is to disagree with? The United States has always been about the "hero" ideology. It's not terribly dissimilar from Soviet propaganda, just on a less obvious scale (if you doubt me, read any modern day philosopher) There are countless films that really do show how un-eventful war can be, or how ugly it can be. Look at Jarhead or Saving Private Ryan.
I dare you to watch The Thin Red Line, and then Lone Survivor or American Sniper back to back. Granted, they are completely different takes on the movie: one is a deeply philosophical look into man's place in war, while the others are essentially Call of Duty in 35mm, but they are good examples of what questions we should be asking about ourselves. Should we find this enjoyable? Or does that just kill our ability to empathize? How are the antagonists painted (look at Munich--a very level-headed look on terrorism)? Is this just a mindless exercise in three act structure or something human? What's worse, a mechanically cold film about war, or one that understands and empathizes with the soldiers?
I'm not sure you even read it, or maybe it just didn't process through the first read. No one is saying the average person is stupid. Where or why did you assume that? Because people can be manipulated without knowing it? That doesn't make them stupid. Film, in itself, is an act of manipulation. It's obvious that film (this movie in particular) manipulates storytelling for maximum pleasure. How is that not an act of a director or studio "changing the cultural perception"? Do you think people really want to see war in all of its ugliness, or painted in a heroic, phony way, like American Sniper?
I'm not going to get into a long debate with you about this, so if you want we can continue this discussion in PM. I don't want to clog up this thread with this shit.
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