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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2020 10:26:38 GMT -5
CUTTHROAT ISLAND (1995)
When you have a movie with a reputation like the one of Cutthroat Island, i.e. one of the biggest bombs in box office history, you have to take a step back and consider if the movie really is worthless or not. And the answer, for me at least, is no. Obviously, the movie's well-known production troubles and ballooned budget had an effect on how critics viewed the movie at the time (sort of like The Lone Ranger), whether they wanted to admit it or not, but the truth is Cutthroat Island is honestly a pretty fun movie. Now, keep in mind, this is coming from me: a well-documented defender of the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. Cutthroat Island was pretty much Pirates of the Caribbean before Pirates of the Caribbean. All of the same ingredients are here: lighthearted comedy mixed with rousing swashbuckling action sequences, characters armed and skilled with quips in the same way they are with swords and a kick-ass sweeping musical score. In short, if you go in for this kind of thing, the movie's a satisfying experience. It is not, however, on the level of Pirates of the Caribbean. While the characters are certainly colorful and entertaining to watch (Frank Langella in particular is really relishing his role as the villain here), they lack the charm of a Jack Sparrow, Elizabeth Swann or Will Turner. That's not to say Geena Davis or Matthew Modine aren't charming with their performances, cause they are, but they're still a bit thinly drawn and the movie is more driven by the plot machinations than the character arcs. On the other hand, Pirates of the Caribbean put more thought and care into its characters than was necessary in the first place, and Cutthroat Island wisely knows its limitations as a true and blue pirate adventure. An area where it maybe puts in too much work is the action sequences, which is where you can see where the overinflated budget went. If the movie wasn't as fun as it ultimately is, these action scenes would seem a bit much, but it's all ultimately part of the charm of Cutthroat Island. It's a nice throwback to the old school Hollywood adventures, with a modern mindset for sensational action, and done with so much vigor, it's hard to resist.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 10, 2020 10:57:23 GMT -5
Let's get a Renny Harlin retrospective thread going.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 10, 2020 10:59:24 GMT -5
Hey I'm a staunch defender/active fan of Die Hard 2.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 10, 2020 11:03:37 GMT -5
Hey I'm a staunch defender/active fan of Die Hard 2. Nightmare 4 is my jam.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 10, 2020 11:04:47 GMT -5
Let's get a Renny Harlin retrospective thread going. Harlin probably deserves to be right up their with Schumacher in the legion of "failing their way to the top" hack directors. When Cliffhanger is your best movie you've got problems.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2020 11:46:28 GMT -5
Let's get a Renny Harlin retrospective thread going. When Cliffhanger is your best movie you've got problems. Cliffhanger over The Long Kiss Goodnight?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 10, 2020 11:47:41 GMT -5
Deep Blue Sea because of fucking course that's my favorite.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 10, 2020 11:48:09 GMT -5
Also: Legend of Hercules is the funniest movie of the last decade.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 10, 2020 11:50:49 GMT -5
When Cliffhanger is your best movie you've got problems. Cliffhanger over The Long Kiss Goodnight? Haven't seen it
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2020 11:54:52 GMT -5
Cliffhanger over The Long Kiss Goodnight? Haven't seen it Oh, that'll be coming in handy.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 10, 2020 12:51:11 GMT -5
Renny Harlin Movies Best to Worst:
Deep Blue Sea Cliffhanger Mindhunters Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master Exorcist: The Beginning The Legend of Hercules Die Hard 2 12 Rounds The Covenant
The rest I haven't seen and likely suck
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2020 13:03:23 GMT -5
The rest I haven't seen and likely suck Oh, that'll be coming in handy.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 10, 2020 13:11:49 GMT -5
::crosses fingers::
Please be Driven, please be Driven, please be Driven...
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Post by Neverending on Aug 10, 2020 15:01:44 GMT -5
Let's get a Renny Harlin retrospective thread going. PRISON (1988)The movie stars Lane Smith, Perry White from the Lois & Clark show, as a hardass warden in a prison that’s haunted by a prisoner he executed. It’s a haunted house movie... but set in a prison. You can see why Harlin got hired for Freddy Krueger Part 4. He had the qualification to make an offbeat fantasy-horror movie. What impressed me the most is that Harlin managed to create suspense in an unlikely place. This isn’t necessarily camp. It’s mostly played straight. You’re expected to believe these are criminals serving their time and prison guards following the orders of an asshole warden. Then when the supernatural entity is unleashed you’re supposed to feel sympathy for all these people. It’s a lot to ask and he gets results. He does give us two “good” characters to identify with, a young Viggo Mortensen helping his fellow inmates and a government employee trying to right the wrongs of the warden, but it’s largely an ensemble. Harlin expects us to be invested in this environment and these people and go along with horror conventions. It’s a twist that Harlin managed to pull off. THE DREAM MASTER (1988)Before the worldwide acclaim of Lord of the Rings, New Line Cinema was the studio that Freddy built. The mainstream success of The Dream Warriors put Freddy Krueger on the pedestal of the horror genre and so New Line Cinema followed it with a sequel that did nothing but attempt to replicate the winning formula - but - lightening doesn’t always strike twice. With so much studio meddling, The Dream Master lacks the passion that made The Dream Warriors a beloved classic. Nonetheless, there are some good qualities. Alice, the new lead character played by Lisa Wilcox, is fun to watch and her friends are memorable and get excellent death scenes. That leads me to the special effects which are all great. It’s a shame it was paired off with an uninspired storyline. And yet, despite the lack in quality, The Dream Master was an even bigger financial success and remains, adjusted for inflation, the highest grossing film in the series. That’s without counting Freddy vs Jason. This was such a big deal that director Renny Harlin (Die Hard 2) got a phone call from Steven Spielberg to congratulate him. You have to love Hollywood sometimes. DIE HARD 2 (1990)Brace yourself for a controversial statement. Die Hard 2 is better than Die Hard 1. And this is not an opinion I arrived to lightly. It took me, like, 20 years to arrive at this conclusion. Die Hard is a classic. I'm not debating that. But it does have its issues that only get worse with each passing year. Die Hard 2, on the other hand, gets better with each viewing. And I figured out why. Stuff is happening. Let me explain. In Die Hard, Alan Rickman shows up at an office building and holds people hostage while making a bunch of empty threats. If you eliminate John McClane from the equation, nothing of importance happens. It's just a bunch of people sitting around. In Die Hard 2, the story is about mercenaries taking over an airport to rescue a drug lord who's being extradited to U.S. authorities. John McClane or no John McClane, serious stuff is happening. That's what makes Die Hard 2 so much fun to watch and an edge-of-your-seat action-thriller. Now, of course, this is where people start showing up and nitpicking the movie to death and pointing out every over-the-top scene. My answer: who cares? All the Die Hard movies are filled with nonsense and unrealistic scenarios. The point of this franchise is - or at least was - to put an average cop in extraordinary situations and Die Hard 2 succeeds in spectacular fashion. CUTTHROAT ISLAND (1995)You wanna know a secret about Cutthroat Island? It's actually a pretty good movie. It's your typical Old Hollywood style adventure film, but with a female in the lead role and some Michael Bay type explosions. So how did it end up being one of the most legendary flops in American cinema? Well... Carolco, the production company, was going bankrupt at the time. MGM, the distributor, was in the process of being sold. Michael Douglas dropped out before shooting began because he didn't want Geena Davis to be the star. Oliver Reed had to be fired for getting into bar fights. Critics and the press had to sell newspapers, so they wrote exaggerations about the movie and gave it a bad reputation. So, you know, the usual. But it's gonna be 20 years since Cutthroat Island was released and it's time for people to give it a second chance. It has a fun cast, great music, exciting action scenes and beautiful scenery. THE EXORCIST (2004)Instead of letting the Exorcist franchise burn in hell, Morgan Creek decided to finance a prequel directed by Paul Schrader. It follows the Priest from the first movie while he's in North Africa during the 1940's and first comes in contact with the demon all these movies revolve around. It's actually an okay movie, it's more about spirituality than horror. Had it not been about the Exorcist at all, it might have worked. Unfortunately, it IS a prequel to the Exorcist and Morgan Creek felt it needed to deliver an actual horror film, so they brought in Renny Harlin. You read that correctly. Renny Harlin. If you need the toilet in your home to be fixed, you bring in Renny Harlin. You don't hire him to fix your movie. Harlin doesn't even attempt to tackle Schrader's version. He just made an entirely different movie that just happens to use the same locations and many of the same actors. The key difference between the two is the Priest. In one version he's a man who has lost faith in humanity after his experiences in World War II. In the other, he's this Indiana Jones wannabe who comes across a demon during an archeological dig. It feels like a lesser version of Brendan Fraser's The Mummy. There's flashbacks to WWII, the only Schrader footage in the Harlin version, but it mostly feels forced and silly. Audiences rightfully rejected the Harlin version in 2004, and the following year, Morgan Creek released the Schrader version to make amends. The damage, however, had been done. When it's all said and done, it's a giant waste of money and talent that there's an Exorcist franchise. They really should have stopped after the first one. Only good thing to come out of this whole series is Ennio Morricone's score from the second one.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2020 15:04:18 GMT -5
Let's get a Renny Harlin retrospective thread going. CUTTHROAT ISLAND (1995)You wanna know a secret about Cutthroat Island? It's actually a pretty good movie. It's your typical Old Hollywood style adventure film, but with a female in the lead role and some Michael Bay type explosions. So how did it end up being one of the most legendary flops in American cinema? Well... Carolco, the production company, was going bankrupt at the time. MGM, the distributor, was in the process of being sold. Michael Douglas dropped out before shooting began because he didn't want Geena Davis to be the star. Oliver Reed had to be fired for getting into bar fights. Critics and the press had to sell newspapers, so they wrote exaggerations about the movie and gave it a bad reputation. So, you know, the usual. But it's gonna be 20 years since Cutthroat Island was released and it's time for people to give it a second chance. It has a fun cast, great music, exciting action scenes and beautiful scenery. Damn straight.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 14, 2020 13:49:47 GMT -5
STREET FIGHTER: THE LEGEND OF CHUN-LI (2009)Disney now owns this movie. Ha! I wouldn’t say it’s terrible. It’s competently made...? It just lacks personality. If I hadn’t been alive in 2009 I’d be surprised it was released in theatres. It screams generic and straight-to-video. It’s the type of brainless action movie you’d watch on a lazy Sunday afternoon. The original is objectively terrible but at least it’s comedy gold.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 4, 2021 14:32:29 GMT -5
CUTTHROAT ISLAND (1995)You wanna know a secret about Cutthroat Island? It's actually a pretty good movie. It's your typical Old Hollywood style adventure film, but with a female in the lead role and some Michael Bay type explosions. So how did it end up being one of the most legendary flops in American cinema? Well... Carolco, the production company, was going bankrupt at the time. MGM, the distributor, was in the process of being sold. Michael Douglas dropped out before shooting began because he didn't want Geena Davis to be the star. Oliver Reed had to be fired for getting into bar fights. Critics and the press had to sell newspapers, so they wrote exaggerations about the movie and gave it a bad reputation. So, you know, the usual. But it's gonna be 20 years since Cutthroat Island was released and it's time for people to give it a second chance. It has a fun cast, great music, exciting action scenes and beautiful scenery. Damn straight. Is it time for me to finally indulge?
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Post by Neverending on Mar 11, 2021 8:01:36 GMT -5
Life Is Beautiful (Roberto Benigni, 1997)- 4/10 Hot Take Sally over here. That movie is a fucking disgrace. It’s certainly.... problematic.... but I like it. It means well. It’ll be another 22 years before I watch it again, so I have no hard feelings about it. Hate sway...
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 11, 2021 16:36:11 GMT -5
Hot Take Sally over here. That movie is a fucking disgrace. It’s certainly.... problematic.... but I like it. It means well. It’ll be another 22 years before I watch it again, so I have no hard feelings about it. Hate sway... Nah, people really need to reevaluate it. I'm not saying cancel the movie, but the fact it won as many Oscars as it did is terrifyingly tone deaf. It's also just not a very good movie. Takes far too long to get to anything meaningful, and Benigni is just miserable to watch for two hours. That guy is a fraud, a pseudo-Keaton/Chaplin with no talent whatsoever. If Gen-Z did something other than watch TikTok videos and knew about Life is Beautiful, they'd feel the same way. And we'd join together in our crusade to rid the world of Benigni forever.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 11, 2021 16:40:11 GMT -5
I will not tolerate this bashing of the Son of the Pink Panther.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 11, 2021 16:55:47 GMT -5
Takes far too long to get to anything meaningful. Highly disagree. The 1st act is more relevant now than in 1998. Dude’s just living his life, meanwhile, there’s this impending doom that he can’t possibly fathom. It reminded me of 2015-16 when none of us could have anticipated the presidency of Donald Trump. Once upon a time, we were all the stereotypical Italian waiter serving the very people that were gonna kill us. Shit’s sad & frightening.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 11, 2021 17:55:00 GMT -5
Highly disagree. The 1st act is more relevant now than in 1998. Dude’s just living his life, meanwhile, there’s this impending doom that he can’t possibly fathom. It reminded me of 2015-16 when none of us could have anticipated the presidency of Donald Trump. Once upon a time, we were all the stereotypical Italian waiter serving the very people that were gonna kill us. Shit’s sad & frightening. Cabaret is a movie that does this well. Life is Beautiful's first half is just Benigni bumbling around in the stereotypical "rich girl who's unhappy with her rich, arrogant fiancé finds love in the simpleton fool that treasures what's important in life" narrative that really only serves the purpose to have them bring a child into the story for the second half. It's a movie that manufactures every pandering emotion in an attempt to portray Benigni as the savior of the people. The premise of Life is Beautiful is a tricky one, but it can be done right. Never in the film does Benigni stop to ponder if what he's doing is morally dubious; he's too busy relishing being the heroic father that will shield his son from the evil of the world. It's the most embarrassing pat-on-the-back in movie history.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 11, 2021 18:21:36 GMT -5
Cabaret is a movie that does this well. Nah. Maybe. But it didn’t bother me. ... yeah... the premise is shaky and doesn’t have an ounce of realism. I wasn’t entirely sold on it, even in 1998, but it kinda works within the logic of the movie. I think the first half, which you dismiss as wacky, does a good job of setting up Benigni as someone that would be a clown in the Holocaust. And he did it without make-up, unlike Jerry Lewis. I also liked that it turned the townspeople into literal Nazi’s. Again, it oddly resonates with today. How many of the people that stormed the Capital in January were everyday folks before that date? It’s interesting to see a depiction of radicalization of citizens in a nonchalant way ... since that’s generally how it happens. One day , your neighbor is your neighbor and the next he/she is an anti-mask lunatic at the grocery store. I don’t know. I think the world building is excellent and I appreciated the subtle commentary. I think you’re getting too caught up in the premise. The movie is okay. It doesn’t need to get canceled by the Twitter mob. It’s ultimately harmless. It’s means well. It emotionally resonates. And Benigni is a good dude.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 11, 2021 18:57:03 GMT -5
You don't like Cabaret? That's a damn good movie.
Benigni is not a good dude. He's a self-serving disgrace who took the easiest sentimental narrative he could (the Holocaust) to drub up empathy for his character. There are no real observations about anything, including the fact that he's an Italian supposedly reflecting on his country's role in the Holocaust. But he doesn't. Because if he had that kind of insight he would've never made Life is Beautiful, or at least had the chops to make it work. Life is Beautiful is shallow with nothing at all to say. It's a Mary Sue ego-trip that he 100% got the idea to make when he saw how many people responded to Schindler's List.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 11, 2021 19:02:27 GMT -5
It's a Mary Sue ego-trip that he 100% got the idea to make when he saw how many people responded to Schindler's List. He did it for his dad, who was a POW at a German camp. Maybe if he did the Italian Hogan’s Hero that would have pleased you more.
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