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Post by frankyt on Mar 19, 2021 7:18:08 GMT -5
Halfway through and digging it.
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Post by donny on Mar 19, 2021 9:36:33 GMT -5
I don't really care one way or the other about the continuation of the Snydervere, but I was reading on Affleck's scrapped solo project, and that sounded really cool. Sad we probably won't get to see it.
My feelings on Ben as the Bat have been mixed, and as someone who has become a big fan of Pattinson's work, I'm happy they chose him as the next in line, but it does suck that I only got to see Ben play the role within the Snyder movies, and not a solo output. Would have been interesting.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 13:52:31 GMT -5
this ways what I expected. The same movie but longer. You coulda made this video for the easy views |
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Post by Dracula on Mar 19, 2021 14:24:18 GMT -5
I didn't even remember that scene being in the original cut. Why would you trim an expensive action scene like that?
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 19, 2021 14:36:28 GMT -5
I didn't even remember that scene being in the original cut. Why would you trim an expensive action scene like that? I can see the argument for the theatrical cut being more economic, but it lacks all the drama and grandeur of Snyder's. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 19, 2021 14:44:16 GMT -5
I didn't even remember that scene being in the original cut. Why would you trim an expensive action scene like that? One thing I think has been a bit forgotten over time is that the Theatrical Cut of Justice League suffered a last minute mandate from the head of the studio that the film could not exceed a two hour runtime and had to be trimmed within a month of its release, likely because they saw what they had was a turkey and they were hoping to squeeze more screenings out of it before the audience just decided to see Thor: Ragnarok again instead. And if you look at the running time of that movie, it clocks in at exactly two hours (maybe over it by one second) which means they barely complied. I imagine they were snipping whatever they could and still trying to have the movie make coherent sense. The other reason might be the fact that reshoots left the movie in a time crunch and some of the effects shots might not have been finished in time. |
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 19, 2021 15:01:03 GMT -5
Why would they deny us 20 additional seconds of Roose Bolton?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 19, 2021 15:02:38 GMT -5
Why would they deny us 20 additional seconds of Roose Bolton? BECAUSE THEY WERE BUSY CGI-ING HENRY CAVILL'S FACE! GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT! |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 15:33:38 GMT -5
Bro, you didn’t need the slow-mo of Wonder Woman throwing the bomb and the slow-mo of her rescuing the children. But yes, Whedon shouldn’t have cut our Wonder Woman taking out those extra goons. One thing I think has been a bit forgotten over time is that the Theatrical Cut of Justice League suffered a last minute mandate from the head of the studio that the film could not exceed a two hour runtime and had to be trimmed within a month of its release, likely because they saw what they had was a turkey and they were hoping to squeeze more screenings out of it before the audience just decided to see Thor: Ragnarok again instead. And if you look at the running time of that movie, it clocks in at exactly two hours (maybe over it by one second) which means they barely complied. I imagine they were snipping whatever they could and still trying to have the movie make coherent sense. The other reason might be the fact that reshoots left the movie in a time crunch and some of the effects shots might not have been finished in time. #ReleaseTheWhedonCut |
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Post by Dracula on Mar 19, 2021 15:46:52 GMT -5
I didn't even remember that scene being in the original cut. Why would you trim an expensive action scene like that? One thing I think has been a bit forgotten over time is that the Theatrical Cut of Justice League suffered a last minute mandate from the head of the studio that the film could not exceed a two hour runtime and had to be trimmed within a month of its release, likely because they saw what they had was a turkey and they were hoping to squeeze more screenings out of it before the audience just decided to see Thor: Ragnarok again instead. And if you look at the running time of that movie, it clocks in at exactly two hours (maybe over it by one second) which means they barely complied. I imagine they were snipping whatever they could and still trying to have the movie make coherent sense. The other reason might be the fact that reshoots left the movie in a time crunch and some of the effects shots might not have been finished in time. If they were going to be penny pinchers they maybe shouldn't have wasted millions on digital moustache removal. They probably lost more money hiring Whedon in the first place than they saved by making the film a half hour shorter than the BvS theatrical cut. Bro, you didn’t need the slow-mo of Wonder Woman throwing the bomb and the slow-mo of her rescuing the children. But yes, Whedon shouldn’t have cut our Wonder Woman taking out those extra goons. I mean, you don't need to make a super hero team up movie at all, but if you're going to do it you should do it right. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 19, 2021 15:56:29 GMT -5
One thing I think has been a bit forgotten over time is that the Theatrical Cut of Justice League suffered a last minute mandate from the head of the studio that the film could not exceed a two hour runtime and had to be trimmed within a month of its release, likely because they saw what they had was a turkey and they were hoping to squeeze more screenings out of it before the audience just decided to see Thor: Ragnarok again instead. And if you look at the running time of that movie, it clocks in at exactly two hours (maybe over it by one second) which means they barely complied. I imagine they were snipping whatever they could and still trying to have the movie make coherent sense. The other reason might be the fact that reshoots left the movie in a time crunch and some of the effects shots might not have been finished in time. If they were going to be penny pinchers they maybe shouldn't have wasted millions on digital moustache removal. They probably lost more money hiring Whedon in the first place than they saved by making the film a half hour shorter than the BvS theatrical cut. They 100% lost way more money. The budget to that movie is $300 million, and you sure as hell don't see it in the movie. The reason it's that high is because it inflated due to Whedon reshoots and MOUSTACHES GALORE! (And if Ray Fisher is to be believed, changing skin color in post) It's kind of similar to The Amazing Spider-Man, where the reported budget is around $220 million. Of that, only about $150 million is the actual movie, the rest was money they burned on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4 before pulling the plug. |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 15:57:17 GMT -5
If they were going to be penny pinchers they maybe shouldn't have wasted millions on digital moustache removal. They probably lost more money hiring Whedon in the first place than they saved by making the film a half hour shorter than the BvS theatrical cut. They mostly brought in Whedon to “lighten the movie.” If you compare the theatrical cut and the Snyder Cut you realize they didn’t need to bring in another director at all. Snyder shot a whole movie. This isn’t a Superman II situation where Richard Donner was fired halfway through production. The Snyder Cut always existed. What Justice League needed was an editor. Someone to restructure the story and eliminate all the Snyder excess. |
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Post by Dracula on Mar 19, 2021 15:59:36 GMT -5
If they were going to be penny pinchers they maybe shouldn't have wasted millions on digital moustache removal. They probably lost more money hiring Whedon in the first place than they saved by making the film a half hour shorter than the BvS theatrical cut. They 100% lost way more money. The budget to that movie is $300 million, and you sure as hell don't see it in the movie. The reason it's that high is because it inflated due to Whedon reshoots and MOUSTACHES GALORE! (And if Ray Fisher is to be believed, changing skin color in post) It's kind of similar to The Amazing Spider-Man, where the reported budget is around $220 million. Of that, only about $150 million is the actual movie, the rest was money they burned on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4 before pulling the plug. If they were going to fuck around in post and do a bunch of reshoots I'm surprised they didn't just restructure it into two movies. Even if everyone hated them they pretty easily could have milked double tickets out of the diehards. |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 16:04:29 GMT -5
If they were going to fuck around in post and do a bunch of reshoots I'm surprised they didn't just restructure it into two movies. Even if everyone hated them they pretty easily could have milked double tickets out of the diehards. I think Warner Bros wanted to wash their hands of this movie. |
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Post by Dracula on Mar 19, 2021 16:05:48 GMT -5
If they were going to fuck around in post and do a bunch of reshoots I'm surprised they didn't just restructure it into two movies. Even if everyone hated them they pretty easily could have milked double tickets out of the diehards. I think Warner Bros wanted to wash their hands of this movie. They, uh, didn't do a great job of doing that either... |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 16:12:05 GMT -5
I think Warner Bros wanted to wash their hands of this movie. They, uh, didn't do a great job of doing that either... They didn’t anticipate the fans crying for the Snyder Cut. The same fans that bitched & moaned about “SAAAVVVEEE MARTHA!!!!” |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 19, 2021 16:16:19 GMT -5
The whole thing was a disaster of studio tampering. WB had a deadline and they were sticking to it because if they missed it, the executives didn't get their bonuses. Even if the thing bled money, the executives would still make something off of it while the studio itself suffered from their stupidity.
Post-BvS backlash left WB with a product they didn't think anybody wanted, but they were so far down Snyder's rabbit hole that they were kinda stuck with him, at least for the first Justice League film. Snyder's family tragedy made his wrestling with the studio over the tone of the film tiring and he understandably washed his hands of it.
I'm sure they thought hiring the guy who made Avengers seemed to fix your movie and make it "more like Avengers" in six months seemed like the smart play at the time. But regardless of one's opinion or him, he didn't really have the time to do anything, and he was stuck with a project that was a pretty specific thing far different than his own style. He probably knew this and was under immense pressure, and that's probably where Ray Fisher's accounts come in. I imagine Whedon was agitated as fuck every goddamn day.
I remember something Christopher McQuarrie said after he took a meeting with WB about helming a DC movie and he turned them down. He said "Some studios don't want your good ideas, they just want you to fix their broken ones." I think Justice League is proof of that.
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Post by FShuttari on Mar 19, 2021 16:16:32 GMT -5
I had to stop watching
What’s with this 4:3 ratio
And why can’t I get rid of it?
And I thought the Nolan movies were bad with all the iMax scenes coming in and out...
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 19, 2021 16:20:27 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the aspect ratio. I personally wish more movies had their IMAX framings available (looking specifically as Infinity War and Endgame).
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Post by PhantomKnight on Mar 19, 2021 16:49:21 GMT -5
I don't know if I have the stamina to do all 4 hours consecutively. I started this at 1 p.m. this afternoon, thinking I would maybe stop around the 2-hour mark or so. Ended up breezing through the whole thing. That was 4 hours? Felt like two.
Fucking loved it. All copies/prints of the Whedon Cut should be burned from existence. I happened to re-watch it yesterday in preparation, and my God, seeing this version really puts into perspective how much of a soulless, corporate hackjob empty shell of a movie that is. Shame on me for endorsing it back in 2017.
I'm just...kind of in awe of this thing. The pacing was smooth as butter for a 4-hour movie (much as I like the 3-hour BvS, that one does have some pacing issues), the new subplots/character arcs really engage and enhance the overall story that remains the same, the action sequences get more oomph, excitement and impact as a result of the same thing (numerous moments where I felt like standing and cheering) and the sense of scope/epicness was kind of astounding. This feels like a complete, well-rounded, emotional and satisfying story, whereas the theatrical cut feels like the series of scenes sloppily cut and pasted together that it truly is.
I know y'all are gonna come at me for this, but I don't fucking care. Can't yuck my yum on this.
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Post by donny on Mar 19, 2021 16:56:25 GMT -5
If they were going to be penny pinchers they maybe shouldn't have wasted millions on digital moustache removal. They probably lost more money hiring Whedon in the first place than they saved by making the film a half hour shorter than the BvS theatrical cut. They 100% lost way more money. The budget to that movie is $300 million, and you sure as hell don't see it in the movie. The reason it's that high is because it inflated due to Whedon reshoots and MOUSTACHES GALORE! (And if Ray Fisher is to be believed, changing skin color in post) It's kind of similar to The Amazing Spider-Man, where the reported budget is around $220 million. Of that, only about $150 million is the actual movie, the rest was money they burned on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4 before pulling the plug. I forget, how far along in production were they for SM4? |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 17:11:40 GMT -5
I forget, how far along in production were they for SM4? John Malkovich was Vulture and Anne Hathaway, I think, was Black Cat. So... far enough to cast people. |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2021 17:14:07 GMT -5
I started this at 1 p.m. this afternoon, thinking I would maybe stop around the 2-hour mark or so. Ended up breezing through the whole thing. That was 4 hours? Felt like two. Fucking loved it. All copies/prints of the Whedon Cut should be burned from existence. This is the vaccine side effects they were talking about. |
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