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Post by Neverending on Feb 5, 2021 15:07:50 GMT -5
Not gonna lie. First time I heard Evanescence, I thought it was that Enya chick. Remember her?
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2021 14:10:26 GMT -5
2005 This is the year Ray Charles won Album of the Year for Genius Loves Company, an album made up of Ray Charles doing duets of old songs. It beat American Idiot by Green Day, Diary of Alicia Keys, Confessions by Usher and College Dropout by Kanye West which I'm sure is Dracula's personal choice for the award. Here We Go Again by Ray Charles and Norah Jones won Record of the Year. It beat American Idiot by Green Day, Let's Get It Started by Black Eyed Peas, Yeah! by Usher and Heaven by Los Lonely Boys. Daughters by John Mayer won Song of the Year. It beat If I Ain't Got You by Alicia Keys, Live Like You Were Dying by Tim McGraw, The Reason by Hoobastank and Jesus Walk by Kanye West. Toxic by Britney Spears won Best Dance Record. It's her only win to date. Her documentary on Hulu is getting lots of buzz right now. 2004 saw the debut albums of Franz Ferdinand, James Blunt, Arcade Fire, Akon and Pitbull. Feels Like Home by Norah Jones. Collision Course by Linkin Park and Jay-Z. Under My Skin by Avril Lavigne. Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson. Love Angel Music Baby by Gwen Stefani. The Red Light District by Ludacris. The second and last D12 album was released. That's Eminem's group. Eminem released his own album, Encore, that year as well. But people will likely remember 2004 for Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl and Ashlee Simpson's lipsing malfunction on SNL.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2021 16:55:08 GMT -5
The Ray Charles duet album winning is about the most embarrassing choice they could have made. I hate it when they very transparently just suck off old (and in this case dead) people in top categories regardless of actual album quality.
The College Dropout probably would have been my favorite of the nominees that year despite Kanye's recent antics, but I could understand them maybe wanting to wait at least a little bit before awarding him. Not sure Green Day, Usher or Alicia Keyes would have been good winners, but at least those would have been relevant.
Moving beyond the actual nominees this was the year of Arcade Fire's Funeral, which would have definately gotten a lot of nominates if I was running things. Beyond that and some of the aforementioned albums 2004 was a very shitty year for music. Just a lot of rather regrettable trends coming to a head that year.
Record and song are even more embarrassing. They nominated "The Reason" by Hoobastank? Hoobastank? That band is most definitely a book you can judge by the cover. "Daughters" by John Mayer sucks too, fuck that song. Also, and this may be controversial, but if they're going to nominate an Usher song they should have nominated Burn instead of Yeah. "Float On" by Modest Mouse came out that year, probably should have nominated that. "Toxic" has also held up pretty well.
Picking Maroon 5 for Best New Artist is probably less embarrassing than some of their choices insomuch as they have proven to have a long lasting career that didn't fizzle out shortly after they were selected... but still, they suck and that choice sucks.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2021 18:00:20 GMT -5
The College Dropout probably would have been my favorite of the nominees that year despite Kanye's recent antics, but I could understand them maybe wanting to wait at least a little bit before awarding him. Late Registration and Graduation also lost. I’d be surprised but they pulled the same shit on Eminem, and in more recent times, on Kendrick Lamar. The Grammy’s don’t care for rap music. That was Evanescence for the non-emo girls. It’s a goddamn miracle that song didn’t make it into the Spider-Man 2 soundtrack but somehow thebtskink’s Dashboard Confessional got robed in instead. lol. You trippin’. If the Grammy’s had a do-over, this would have been the big winner that year. But they had aligned themselves with Christina Aguilera, and admittedly, Britney Spears was a hot mess during this period. Last thing they needed was K-Fed showing up to the Grammy’s.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2021 18:27:53 GMT -5
The College Dropout probably would have been my favorite of the nominees that year despite Kanye's recent antics, but I could understand them maybe wanting to wait at least a little bit before awarding him. Late Registration and Graduation also lost. I’d be surprised but they pulled the same shit on Eminem, and in more recent times, on Kendrick Lamar. The Grammy’s don’t care for rap music. The Grammys have the same "voters get invited in decades ago and never go away" problem that the Oscars have but on steroids because the have a billion categories and have some obligation to invite people from all the different genre branches in fairly equal numbers. So you have this huge block over voters who are old country music people and a bunch of classical music people from the 70s who are decidedly not interested in expanding their horizons and are extremely closed minded about rap. Lately they've been trying to cover this up by having nominations go through a committee with some sort of veto power and who basically exists to prevent boomer rockers and duet albums with dead people from being nominated anymore, but there's only so much they can ultimately do and you can pretty consistently predict the winner will be whoever has the most traditional songwriting and clear singing.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2021 18:56:32 GMT -5
The Grammys have the same "voters get invited in decades ago and never go away" problem that the Oscars have but on steroids because the have a billion categories and have some obligation to invite people from all the different genre branches in fairly equal numbers. In fairness to the Grammy’s, having a billion categories does help them cover their bases. American Idiot did win Best Rock Album. Vertigo by U2 won Best Rock Song. College Dropout did win Best Rap Album. Jesus Walks won Best Rap Song. These artists did walk away with awards that evening.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2021 19:10:53 GMT -5
The Grammys have the same "voters get invited in decades ago and never go away" problem that the Oscars have but on steroids because the have a billion categories and have some obligation to invite people from all the different genre branches in fairly equal numbers. In fairness to the Grammy’s, having a billion categories does help them cover their bases. American Idiot did win Best Rock Album. Vertigo by U2 won Best Rock Song. College Dropout did win Best Rap Album. Jesus Walks won Best Rap Song. These artists did walk away with awards that evening. Yeah, but that "everyone wins something" dynamic is what devalues the awards so much and leads to stuff like that Simpsons joke about the bellboy not being impressed with getting a Grammy as a tip. Sure, Kanye won a Grammy that night, but so did whoever won the "Best Polka Album" (yes that's an actual category) and so did whoever won "Best Engineered Album, Classical." At a certain point it's really just those four "mixed genre" awards that they actually present on the telecast that really mean to say something big about that year's music.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 10, 2021 19:13:42 GMT -5
That piece of garbage Vertigo won a Grammy?
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2021 19:16:25 GMT -5
In fairness to the Grammy’s, having a billion categories does help them cover their bases. American Idiot did win Best Rock Album. Vertigo by U2 won Best Rock Song. College Dropout did win Best Rap Album. Jesus Walks won Best Rap Song. These artists did walk away with awards that evening. Yeah, but that "everyone wins something" dynamic is what devalues the awards so much and leads to stuff like that Simpsons joke about the bellboy not being impressed with getting a Grammy as a tip. Sure, Kanye won a Grammy that night, but so did whoever won the "Best Polka Album" (yes that's an actual category) and so did whoever won "Best Engineered Album, Classical." At a certain point it's really just those four "mixed genre" awards that they actually present on the telecast that really mean to say something big about that year's music. Well, Kelly Clarkson won the American Music Award. So at least there’s that.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2021 19:21:06 GMT -5
That piece of garbage Vertigo won a Grammy? The entire How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb album won the Album of the Year Grammy the the next year.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2021 19:22:11 GMT -5
That piece of garbage Vertigo won a Grammy? hahaha. I honestly forgot how absurdly bad that song is. The Grammy’s have an odd fetish for U2.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2021 19:26:00 GMT -5
That piece of garbage Vertigo won a Grammy? The entire How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb album won the Album of the Year Grammy the the next year. Another example of Kanye West getting robbed. No wonder the man went mad.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 11, 2021 15:42:39 GMT -5
nominating the Flashdance soundtrack just seems silly in retrospect. For that matter, nominating pretty much any "Various Artists" album for a grammy seems kind of off. 1979 Saturday Night Fever wins Album of the Year. It went up against Grease. John Travolta vs John Travolta. This is like when Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather Part II went up against Francis Ford Coppola's The Conversation at the Academy Awards. Or when Disney+ subscribers had to choose between Doomsday's The Mandalorian and Doomsday's Noelle. But Saturday Night Fever reigned supreme, goddammit, and I approve. The other nominees were Even Now by Barry Manilow. That's the album that featured Copacabana, one of thebtskink's favorite songs. Running on Empty by Jackson Browne. And Some Girls by the Rolling Stones. I know Dracula is a huge Rolling Stones fan, so he's probably pissed that Rolling Stones lost to the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. Just the Way You Are by Billy Joel won Record of the Year. Dracula wouldn't be born for, like, another 10 years but Grammy votes knew he was coming and were just fucking with him at this point. It beat Baker Street by Gerry Rafferty, Feels So Good by Chuck Mangione, You Needed Me by Anne Murray and Stayin' Alive by the Bee Gees. I couldn't tell you what half of these songs are by title alone. Just the Way You Are also won Song of the Year. It beat Stayin' Alive by the Bee Gees, Three Times a Lady by the Commodores, You Don't Bring Me Flowers by Neil Diamond & Barbra Streisand and You Needed Me by Anne Murray. Much better selection. 1978 saw the releases of Stained Class and Killing Machine by Judas Priest, Stranger in Town by Bob Seger, Heaven Tonight by Cheap Trick, Darkness on the Edge of Town by Bruce Springsteen, Shadow Dancing by Andy Gibb, Parallel Lines by Blondie, Jazz by Queen, Motor Booty Affair by Parliament, Blondes Have More Fun by Rod Stewart, The Gambler by Kenny Rogers, Destiny by the Jacksons and the debuts of Toto, Van Halen, Whitesnake, Dire Straits, Prince, Rick James, The Cars, Devo, The Police and Siouxsie & the Banshees. Never Say Die by Black Sabbath would be the last to feature Ozzy in lead vocals until 13. PG Cooper likely has a lot to say about that particular album. London Town by Wings came out that year, which I think is a wonderful album. Fair to say that everyone here would choose The Cars by The Cars as the best album of `78. It came out on June 6 and did qualify for these particular Grammy's. They were actually nominated for Best New Artists, alongside Elvis Costello and Toto, but lost to A Taste of Honey. As for Song and Record, um, I do enjoy With a Little Luck by Wings. Although I know that won't have any fans here. Grease by Frankie Valli is fucking great. That's better than Stayin' Alive. Yeah. I said. Wanna fight about it? An Everlasting Love by Andy Gibb is good too. I know thebtskink is a fan of Do Ya Think I'm Sexy? by Rod Stewart. The answer is no, Rod, I don't think you're sexy and it's insulting you would think you are. Flash Light by Parliament. Part Time Lover by Elton John. Hold the Line by Toto, which became a meme this month. Life's Been Good by Joe Walsh. Rock Lobster by the B-52's. Roxanne by the Police. Surrender by Cheap Trick. Bicycle Race and Fat Bottomed Girls by Queen. This year was stacked.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 11, 2021 15:49:02 GMT -5
1979 1978 saw the releases of Stained Class and Killing Machine by Judas Priest, Never Say Die by Black Sabbath would be the last to feature Ozzy in lead vocals until 13. PG Cooper likely has a lot to say about that particular album. London Town by Wings came out that year, which I think is a wonderful album. Fair to say that everyone here would choose The Cars by The Cars as the best album of `78. It came out on June 6 and did qualify for these particular Grammy's. They were actually nominated for Best New Artists, I already talked about this year earlier in the thread because I'm dumb: However, I overlooked The Cars so I will adjust my nominees accordingly. Best AlbumThe Cars, The Cars Hemispheres, Rush Long Live Rock N' Roll, Rainbow Stained Class, Judas PriestVan Halen, Van Halen Best SongAin't Talkin Bout Love, Van Halen Beyond the Realms of Death, Judas Priest (Stained Class) Circumstances, Rush Delivering the Goods, Judas Priest (Killing Machine)Gates of Babylon, Rainbow
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Post by Neverending on Feb 11, 2021 15:54:18 GMT -5
Best SongDelivering the Goods, Judas Priest (Killing Machine) You and thebtskink have wildly different tastes in music.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 11, 2021 15:58:06 GMT -5
Best SongDelivering the Goods, Judas Priest (Killing Machine) You and thebtskink have wildly different tastes in music. Delivering the Goods is awesome. Intellectually I can appreciate it as a gay man covertly being braggadocios about his sexuality and the boldness of that. More immediately I can also appreciate it as a badass Metal track with some fantastic riffs and a nasty tinge to Halford's vocals.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 11, 2021 16:02:11 GMT -5
I can appreciate it as a gay man covertly being braggadocios about his sexuality and the boldness of that. The real boldness is Rod Stewart claiming to be sexy.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 11, 2021 16:02:37 GMT -5
I can appreciate it as a gay man covertly being braggadocios about his sexuality and the boldness of that. The real boldness is Rod Stewart claiming to be sexy. There's bold and then there's just straight-up lying.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 11, 2021 16:04:26 GMT -5
That Rod Stewart song is a fucking banger, though.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 11, 2021 16:04:59 GMT -5
I have no idea how you remembered that.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 11, 2021 16:10:05 GMT -5
There's bold and then there's just straight-up lying. That Rod Stewart song is a fucking banger, though. Let's meet in the middle and jam to Rock Lobster.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 11, 2021 16:29:23 GMT -5
I can kind of see an argument for the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack considering that disco was a major force at the time and probably bore acknowledging and that soundtrack is a pretty good survey of the genre. But Grease sucks and there's no excuse for that shitty nomination and the other two albums are some boomer shit no one cares about anymore.
Out of those nominees Some Girls obviously should have won, would have been a great way to give the Stones a belated win while also rewarding a legitimately great album. There was Bruce Springsteen's Darkness at the Edge of Town, the debut album by The Police, Here My Dear by Marvin Gay, Elvis Costello's This Year's Model, and Blondie's Parallel Lines. Any one of those should have been nominated.
Ditch every last one of the Record and Song nominees except Stayin' Alive and Baker Street. Replace them with Roxanne, Heart of Glass, Miss You, We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions, or Flash Light by Parliament
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Post by Neverending on Feb 11, 2021 16:44:31 GMT -5
Blondie's Parallel Lines. That album mostly broke out in `79. Same with Destiny by the Jacksons. You'd have a greater argument with the Cars. Just What I Needed, My Best Friend's Girl, Good Times Roll, You're All I've Got Tonight, Bye Bye Love and Moving in Stereo (from Fast Times at Ridgemont High) were all chart toppers and helped push New Wave to the mainstream.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 17, 2021 15:33:25 GMT -5
1996 Well... this is interesting. Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morissette won Album of the Year. But Kiss From a Rose by Seal won Song and Record of the Year. Holy shit! Man, people really loved that Batman Forever soundtrack. PG Cooper would never believe it, but here it is. Morissette beat Daydream by Mariah Carey, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I by Michael Jackson, Vitalogy by Pearl Jam and Relish by Joan Osborne. Seal beat One Sweet Day by Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men, Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio, Waterfalls by TLC and One of Us by Joan Osborne in Record. You Oughta Know by Alanis Morissette, You Are Not Alone by Michael Jackson, I Can Love You Like That by All-4-One and One of Us by Joan Osborne in Song. I think they should have given Song to Seal and Record to Coolio. But we know the Grammy's "hate" rap music, so I'm sure Coolio was happy just to be nominated. Waterfalls by TLC could have been a great alternate. Or heck, You Are Not Alone by Michael Jackson. Man, that year was stacked. They're all winners in my eyes. Sidenote: Hootie & the Blowfish won Best New Artist. Hilarious. Also, Dracula, check this out. Tupac lost Best Rap Album. Yup. That's right. Me Against the World lost to Poverty's Paradise by Naughty by Nature. E. 1999 Eternal by Bone Thugs-n-Harmony and Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version by Ol' Dirty Bastard were also nominated. 1995 saw the releases of This Is How We Do It by Montell Jordan, Boombastic by Shaggy, The Gold Experience by Prince, Dreaming of You by Selena, (What's the Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis, Tragic Kingdom by No Doubt (although Don't Speak was released as a single in `96), Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness by The Smashing Pumpkins and the debut album by the Foo Fighters. I'm not overly critical with the Grammy's choices. It's too much to expect them to nominate Pussy Control by Prince.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 17, 2021 16:28:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that's probably one of the better years for the Grammys. Jagged Little Pill isn't exactly my cup of tea but there's no denying that it was a relevant hit factory and isn't some kind of lowest common denominator nonsense. Probably would have gone with Viatology personally, but they probably went with the more definitive choice. And Kiss From a Rose is also clearly an enduring classic so no complaints there. There are definitely some things they missed out on nominating though. What's the Story Morning Glory by Oasis was that year as were a good half dozen of hip-hop classics that they weren't ready for. And that Best Rap Album choice is embarrassing. They manage to nominate three stone cold classics and instead of awarding any of those they give it to a Naughty By Nature album, and not the one with either of their two hits anyone remembers. At least they didn't give it to the "I wish I were a little bit taller" guy. BTW this was the first time they ever gave out that award so this was a real "Jethro Tull wins the first metal Grammy" moment for them. PG Cooper can tell you exactly how happy that community was about that choice.
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