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Post by Dracula on Feb 4, 2021 13:49:40 GMT -5
Okay, so the thing about the early Grammys you have to remember is that they were basically set up by a generation that didn't see the LP as the default. Before The Beatles and Dylan and other boomer rock figures came in and turned the "album" into sort of the music equivalent of the feature film, 45s were king and "albums" were almost seen more as these expensive delux editions that were mainly for super-fans and for special cases like live albums and comedy albums and the like and "Album of the Year" likely wasn't seen as the most important award of the night and when you keep that in mind some of those early choices start to make at least a little more sense. Neverending is right, however, that the 70s were really the decade when the Grammys got with the program about this and were probably the decade when they were most consistently relevant, at least in that category.
I would say that while I "get" the album of the year nominees that year I don't really like them. I've never cared much for Simon and Garfunkel, I don't hate or even particularly dislike them but I've never really gotten what the big deal was with them. They kind of feel like a "you had to be there" act. I feel similarly about CSNY, and prefer their debut to Deja Vu. Elton John would go on to better things later, I'm kind of surprised they were on board with him so early. Give no fucks about James Taylor, and I see The Carpenters more as a singles act. While I can't stand their later stuff, the first Chicago Album is alright, probably wouldn't have nominated it though.
Lets wipe that whole slate clean and nominate Bitch's Brew by Miles Davis, Moondance by Van Morrison, Cosmo's Factory by CCR (Willy and the Poor Boys was probably also eligible, Led Zeppelin III, and Black Sabbath's Paranoid though we're getting pretty deep into 20/20 hindsight wishful thinking there. Abraxas by Santana was another one to consider.
I would probably also ditch the whole song and record field aside form "Let it Be" and "Close to You." "Layla" came out that year, how the hell wasn't that nominated? A lot of stuff could fill the last two slots, let's go with "I Want You Back" by The Jackson 5, and "Maybe I'm Amazed" (which wasn't actually released as a single until a live version came out years later).
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 14:13:52 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin III and Black Sabbath's Paranoid though we're getting pretty deep into 20/20 hindsight wishful thinking there. I disagree about Led Zepplin. They were one of the top acts of the year. Led Zeppelin II and Led Zeppelin III were #1 in the charts for a total of 10 weeks. Only Simon & Garfunkel and Creedence Clearwater Revival were as successful. They were certainly in the Grammy's radar. But you're right that Black Sabbath was likely "too underground" for the Boomers. This is where we might see a division in the Boomers. I never understood Boomers being classified as 1946 to 1964. That's such a wide gap. By 1970, the first Boomers were already in their mid-20's. I see that as the age-group that embraced Simon & Garfunkel and Crosby, Nash & Stills. I can't see them caring much for Black Sabbath or David Bowie or Alice Cooper. That was more for the high schoolers. The people born 10 years later, in the mid-1950's. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 4, 2021 14:31:37 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin III and Black Sabbath's Paranoid though we're getting pretty deep into 20/20 hindsight wishful thinking there. I disagree about Led Zepplin. They were one of the top acts of the year. Led Zeppelin II and Led Zeppelin III were #1 in the charts for a total of 10 weeks. Only Simon & Garfunkel and Creedence Clearwater Revival were as successful. They were certainly in the Grammy's radar. But you're right that Black Sabbath was likely "too underground" for the Boomers. This is where we might see a division in the Boomers. I never understood Boomers being classified as 1946 to 1964. That's such a wide gap. By 1970, the first Boomers were already in their mid-20's. I see that as the age-group that embraced Simon & Garfunkel and Crosby, Nash & Stills. I can't see them caring much for Black Sabbath or David Bowie or Alice Cooper. That was more for the high schoolers. The people born 10 years later, in the mid-1950's. Zeppelin was a top act, but "the critics" hated them and while the Grammys generally don't align with "the critics" they likely were on the same page about Zeppelin. Their fans at that time were likely a bit too young and rowdy for the establishment types who ran the Grammys. |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 14:43:40 GMT -5
Their fans at that time were likely a bit too young and rowdy for the establishment types who ran the Grammys. But... the Beatles were nominated every year and won Album of the Year for Sgt. Pepper. Let It Be actually did win that year, for Soundtrack. They also won the Oscar. Let It Be was considered "a soundtrack" cause of the documentary that came out that year alongside the album. I guess it can technically be considered a soundtrack. I don't know. Anyway, Michelle won Song of the Year, which is crazy. I have nothing against Michelle, but there was loads of other Beatles songs more deserving. So, the Grammy's never held the Beatles "rowdy fans" against them. Don't think they'd do that to Led Zeppelin. But you're right. Zeppelin might not have been considered good music for the Vietnam-era Boomers. That might have been more high schooler music. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 4, 2021 14:54:42 GMT -5
Their fans at that time were likely a bit too young and rowdy for the establishment types who ran the Grammys. But... the Beatles were nominated every year and won Album of the Year for Sgt. Pepper. Let It Be actually did win that year, for Soundtrack. They also won the Oscar. The Beatles did a lot of outreach to the older generations early on. "Yesterday" was very much a song made to appeal to their fans' parents and was covered by a bunch of crooners like Sinatra. Also despite the boy band vibe a lot of older people embraced The Beatles at first because they seemed like relatively wholesome young men compared to those naughty Rolling Stones. They lost some of those people later when they started delving into psychedelia, but by then they were a bit to big to ignore. Zeppelin by contrast were a bunch of over the top rock gods who sang about giving every inch of their love and left a trail of stories about fucking groupies with mud sharks. |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 15:15:45 GMT -5
The Beatles did a lot of outreach to the older generations early on. "Yesterday" was very much a song made to appeal to their fans' parents and was covered by a bunch of crooners like Sinatra. Yesterday lost Song of the Year to The Shadow of Your Smile by Tony Bennett. And Record of the Year to A Taste of Honey by Herb Alpert. Crazy. And Help! lost Album of the Year to a Frank Sinatra compilation album. It's less crazy they chose Help! over Rubber Soul. Although it stings a little. The Rolling Stones didn't really have success in the U.S. till 1965, long after the Beatles were firmly established, but I get what you mean. Although John Lennon did say the Beatles were bigger than Jesus. lol. Yes. Ahead of their time. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 4, 2021 15:23:16 GMT -5
Cosmo's Factory is so damn good.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 15:33:42 GMT -5
Cosmo's Factory is so damn good. But Pendulum has Have You Ever Seen the Rain. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 4, 2021 15:36:28 GMT -5
Cosmo's Factory is so damn good. But Pendulum has Have You Ever Seen the Rain. Ramble Tamble, baby! |
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 4, 2021 16:25:05 GMT -5
Black Sabbath and Zeppelin are definitely my boys for this year. I have no doubt the Grammys would never be on that wavelength but fuck it I'ma just do my version anyway.
Album of the Year
Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath
Deep Purple in Rock, Deep Purple
Led Zeppelin III, Led Zeppelin
The Man Who Sold the World, David Bowie
Paranoid, Black Sabbath
Song of the Year
Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath
Bloodsucker, Deep Purple
Immigrant Song, Led Zeppelin
The Man Who Sold the World, David Bowie
War Pigs, Black Sabbath
As for 1999...there's a lot of meh for me. Most of the old school Metal bands I love we're in a bit of a lull and new trends in groups like Limp Bizkit are pretty lame and embarrassing. There's only two albums I really love in Type O Negative's World Coming Down and Nine Inch Nails's The Fragile.
Album of the Year
The Battle of Los Angeles, Rage Against the Machine
Colony, In Fames
The Fragile, Nine Inch Nails
Hatebreeder, Children of Bodom
World Coming Down, Type O Negative
Song of the Year
Calm Like a Bomb, Rage Against the Machine
Everything Dies, Type O Negative
Scorn, In Flames
Towards Dead End, Children of Bodom
The Wretched, Nine Inch Nails
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 16:30:58 GMT -5
new trends in groups like Limp Bizkit are pretty lame and embarrassing. If you had been alive in 1999, I have no doubt you’d be a Limp Bizkit fanboy. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 4, 2021 16:33:15 GMT -5
new trends in groups like Limp Bizkit are pretty lame and embarrassing. If you had been alive in 1999, I have no doubt you’d be a Limp Bizkit fanboy. They helped craft one of the best wrestling hype videos of all-time. They have a pass. |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 16:52:18 GMT -5
They helped craft one of the best wrestling hype videos of all-time. lol. Yes. Rock-era WWF and Limp Bizkit. Nothing sums up 1999/2000 better than that. All you’re missing is Christina Aguilera sucking someone’s dick. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 4, 2021 16:57:08 GMT -5
They helped craft one of the best wrestling hype videos of all-time. lol. Yes. Rock-era WWF and Limp Bizkit. Nothing sums up 1999/2000 better than that. All you’re missing is Christina Aguilera sucking someone’s dick. Well if you believe Fred Durst about such matters... |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 17:01:22 GMT -5
lol. Yes. Rock-era WWF and Limp Bizkit. Nothing sums up 1999/2000 better than that. All you’re missing is Christina Aguilera sucking someone’s dick. Well if you believe Fred Durst about such matters... We got all our celebrity gossip from Eminem songs. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2021 12:49:43 GMT -5
1999 was a year of emo gaining popularity, so my puck for album probably would've been The Get Up Kid's "Something to Write Home About"
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Post by Neverending on Feb 5, 2021 13:00:09 GMT -5
1999 was a year of emo gaining popularity Korn, Rage Against the Machine and blink-182 were popular with the Hot Topic crowd, but to me, proper emo shit was 2003 when Evanescence broke out. Dracula, did you fuck with Evanescence? That music was probably too soft for PG Cooper, but you gotta tolerate it if you wanna get laid. All the emo Hot Topic girls listened to Evanescence. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 5, 2021 13:26:23 GMT -5
1999 was a year of emo gaining popularity Korn, Rage Against the Machine and blink-182 were popular with the Hot Topic crowd, but to me, proper emo shit was 2003 when Evanescence broke out. Dracula , did you fuck with Evanescence? That music was probably too soft for PG Cooper , but you gotta tolerate it if you wanna get laid. All the emo Hot Topic girls listened to Evanescence. Nah. Between about 2001 and 2007 (my teen years and early college) I basically swore off pop and started exclusively listening to mostly older music (first metal and hard rock, then classic rock and rap) and a select few contemporary rock bands like System of a Down that I considered to be sufficiently serious for me. I would still listen to the Modern Rock station because they'd play Metallica and Soundgarden between the bad Nickelback tracks that were their bread and butter, but that was mostly just a concession to the fact that I was still kind of stuck with terrestrial radio when I was in cars. I HATED emo music. Not, like, "real" emo (which I was not familiar with) but bands like My Chemical Romance and Fallout Boy and I'm pretty sure Evanesance was on the list. Thought it was whiney shit for teenagers and I as a (in my mind) mature adult was too good for it. Then after about two solid years of not listening to anything recorded before 1998 I kind of softened in general. I think Rhianna's Umbrella is what broke the dam. That song slapped and even a pretentious hater like me couldn't deny it. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2021 13:46:27 GMT -5
Yeah I was into the independent emo stuff, so much that it'd piss me off when a band I liked went more mainstream (Dashboard, Saves the Day).
I thought liking this stuff would get me laid.
Well, it did. once.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 5, 2021 13:55:43 GMT -5
My Chemical Romance and Fallout Boy I like to think of them as post-emo, the way Linkin Park was post-Nu Metal. Yeah I was into the independent emo stuff, so much that it'd piss me off when a band I liked went more mainstream (Dashboard, Saves the Day). Dashboard Confessional? From the Spider-Man 2 soundtrack? |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 5, 2021 14:00:33 GMT -5
My Chemical Romance and Fallout Boy I like to think of them as post-emo, the way Linkin Park was post-Nu Metal. Yeah I was into the independent emo stuff, so much that it'd piss me off when a band I liked went more mainstream (Dashboard, Saves the Day). Dashboard Confessional? From the Spider-Man 2 soundtrack? He was around and independent before that. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 5, 2021 14:03:20 GMT -5
Dracula, did you fuck with Evanescence? That music was probably too soft for PG Cooper, but you gotta tolerate it if you wanna get laid. All the emo Hot Topic girls listened to Evanescence. |
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Post by frankyt on Feb 5, 2021 14:41:47 GMT -5
Local radio used to do the evenaesence song but the guy yelling 'wake me up' is the sweedish chef from muppets. It was quite hilarious.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 5, 2021 14:50:49 GMT -5
Local radio used to do the evenaesence song but the guy yelling 'wake me up' is the sweedish chef from muppets. It was quite hilarious. |
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