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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2021 13:15:30 GMT -5
Doomsday thebtskink PG Cooper frankytWhilst we await for Dracula to update the Rolling Stones' Top 500 albums thread, this could be an engaging musical based discussion. I wanna look at the history of the Grammy's and evaluate their choices for the top 3 categories: Song of the Year, Record of the Year and Album of the Year. Let's start with the big one. 1984. That's their most watched ceremony with 51.6 million viewers. Now, it should be noted that the Grammy's don't follow the calendar year like most other awards show. This was the year in which Thriller, an album released on November of 1982, was the big winner. So if you wanna debate which albums and songs should have gotten nominated, keep that in mind. Anyway, like I said, Michael Jackson's Thriller won Album of the Year. It's difficult to argue against Thriller. It is one of the all-time greats. But it was competing against some classic albums. Let's Dance by David Bowie. An Innocent Man by Billy Joel. Synchronicity by the Police. And the Flashdance soundtrack. The other two categories are a lot more interesting. Every Breath You Take won Song of the Year. Great song... on the surface. Dracula has argued that it's a rapey song. All Night Long by Lionel Richie, Billie Jean and Beat It by Michael Jackson and Maniac from the Flashdance soundtrack were the other nominees. I would have voted for Billie Jean. But if we're looking at songs primarily from 1983, Prince did have his hits from the 1999 album. Sweet Dreams by Eurythmics. I'm Still Standing by Elton John came out that year. Love Is a Battlefield by Pat Benatar. She Works Hard for the Money by Donna Summer. Overkill by Men at Work. Sharp Dressed Man by ZZ Top. Up Where We Belong by Joe Cocker. Billy Joel had some of his biggest hits that year. There was even another Michael Jackson option with Say Say Say. So this category could certainly be debated quite a bit. Record of the Year went to Beat It. The other nominees were What a Feeling by Irene Cara, Every Breath You Take, All Night Long and Maniac. I would have voted for What a Feeling, but again, this category can be debated heavily.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 29, 2021 13:53:38 GMT -5
Every Breath You Take is very good.
Anyway, I'm basically gonna be useless in this thread since every year I'll just be bitching about "where's the Metal?" 84 in particular is a pretty big year.
-Metallica released their second album, Ride the Lightning, which pushed their Thrash to a more polished sound and features several all-timers ("Creeping Death", "For Whom the Bell Tolls", "Fade to Black")
-Judas Priest's Defenders of the Faith was the last of an amazing streak of albums that started in 1976 with Sad Wings of Destiny (they'd stall with Turbo, get better with Ram It Down, then get real awesome again with Painkiller)
-Megadeth's puts out their debut record, Killing Is My Business...and Business Is Good. Awful cover art but "Mechanix" and "Rattlehead" are really good
-Iron Maiden's Powerslave has less iconic tracks than something like The Number of the Beast or even Piece of Mind, but might be a better record than either.
-The Last in Line is the last fully great solo Dio record.
-Love at First Sting is the perfect mix of heavy rock with accessible, radio friendly tunes. Probably my favourite Scorpions album
-Twisted Sister's Stay Hungry features the band's most iconic songs in "We're Not Gonna Take It" and "I Wanna Rock". Titular song is better than both.
-W.A.S.P.'s debut record and more importantly, their hit song "Animal (Fuck Like a Beast)" gets the band lots of notoriety. The lyrics are pretty dumb and juvenile but I love the riffs
-the hugely underrated Armored Saint puts out their debut record, March of the Saint. Lots of awesome tracks.
-Manowar's Sign of the Hammer is exactly the dumb epic fantasy Metal I want from these boys.
-Deep Purple returns with Perfect Strangers. Love "Knocking at Your Backdoor"
-Slide It In. Whitesnake are kinda lame but I still kinda like "Love Ain't No Stranger"
-Slayer EP Haunting the Chapel. "Chemical Warfare" is still one of their best songs
-No Remorse. Technically a compilation album, but a great summary of Motorhead and the new tracks are pretty good.
Anyway, my nominees would probably look something like this:
Album of the Year
Defenders of the Faith, Judas Priest
Love at First Sting, Scorpions
March of the Saint, Armored Saint
Powerslave, Iron Maiden
Ride the Lightning, Metallica
Song of the Year
"Chemical Warfare", Slayer
"For Whom The Bell Tolls", Metallica
"Mechanix" by Megadeth
"Powerslave", Iron Maiden
"The Sentinel", Judas Priest
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Post by frankyt on Jan 29, 2021 13:58:20 GMT -5
Speaking in tongues in 83 shoulda smoked em all and stop making sense in 84 prob shoulda won... Anything.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 29, 2021 14:05:09 GMT -5
If anyone else wants to just take that thread over, go ahead. this could be an engaging musical based discussion. I wanna look at the history of the Grammy's and evaluate their choices for the top 3 categories: Song of the Year, Record of the Year and Album of the Year. Let's start with the big one. 1984. That's their most watched ceremony with 51.6 million viewers. Now, it should be noted that the Grammy's don't follow the calendar year like most other awards show. This was the year in which Thriller, an album released on November of 1982, was the big winner. So if you wanna debate which albums and songs should have gotten nominated, keep that in mind. Anyway, like I said, Michael Jackson's Thriller won Album of the Year. It's difficult to argue against Thriller. It is one of the all-time greats. But it was competing against some classic albums. Let's Dance by David Bowie. An Innocent Man by Billy Joel. Synchronicity by the Police. And the Flashdance soundtrack. The other two categories are a lot more interesting. Every Breath You Take won Song of the Year. Great song... on the surface. Dracula has argued that it's a rapey song. All Night Long by Lionel Richie, Billie Jean and Beat It by Michael Jackson and Maniac from the Flashdance soundtrack were the other nominees. I would have voted for Billie Jean. But if we're looking at songs primarily from 1983, Prince did have his hits from the 1999 album. Sweet Dreams by Eurythmics. I'm Still Standing by Elton John came out that year. Love Is a Battlefield by Pat Benatar. She Works Hard for the Money by Donna Summer. Overkill by Men at Work. Sharp Dressed Man by ZZ Top. Up Where We Belong by Joe Cocker. Billy Joel had some of his biggest hits that year. There was even another Michael Jackson option with Say Say Say. So this category could certainly be debated quite a bit. Record of the Year went to Beat It. The other nominees were What a Feeling by Irene Cara, Every Breath You Take, All Night Long and Maniac. I would have voted for What a Feeling, but again, this category can be debated heavily. As for 1984 Grammys, I probably would have leaned more toward Synchronicity than Thriller, but that's well into "L.A. Confidential should have beat Titanic" levels of "that was never going to happen." My tolerance for Billy Joel is minimal and Let's Dance was hardly David Bowie's best album and nominating the Flashdance soundtrack just seems silly in retrospect. For that matter, nominating pretty much any "Various Artists" album for a grammy seems kind of off. As for the nominations, I think Talking Heads' Speaking in Tongues would have been eligible that year, not sure anything else stands out as an egregious snub. U2's War and REM's Murmer came out that year but it's probably not too much of a shock that the recording academy hadn't caught up to them yet. The song and record of the year nominees are mostly solid, though I could do without that Lionel Richie song, replace that with Total Eclipse of the Heart or fit Sweat Dream in there and you're pretty good. Are we going to note that they gave Best New Artist to... Culture Club? |
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 29, 2021 14:10:22 GMT -5
Are we going to note that they gave Best New Artist to... Culture Club? Guys like Megadeth and Armored Saint definitely got fucked over. |
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My tolerance for Billy Joel is minimal How dare you! They beat Eurythmics. The Grammys really didn’t think much of them. lol. |
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My tolerance for Billy Joel is minimal How dare you! He's Elton John for people who aren't secure in their sexuality. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2021 22:44:51 GMT -5
I think Talking Heads' Speaking in Tongues would have been eligible that year, not sure anything else stands out as an egregious snub. Speaking in Tongues won.... Best Album Cover. Seriously. Anyway, 99 Luftballons got snubbed. I Love L.A. by Randy Newman. And as I mentioned earlier, Prince got overlooked. 1999, Little Red Corvette and Delirious were big singles for Prince in 1983. But... then again... you gotta look at it from the perspective of the time. Lionel Richie was the second-to Michael Jackson in that moment. Even when Prince released Purple Rain, Lionel Richie was still a force to reckon. Lionel Richie has gotten lost in the shuffle over the decades but he was definitely in that Michael Jackson and Prince level in the 1980’s. The Grammys probably thought Prince was the weirdo in the group. But that’s something we can get deeper into when we discuss the Grammy’s total disrespect towards Purple Rain. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 29, 2021 22:51:29 GMT -5
I think Talking Heads' Speaking in Tongues would have been eligible that year, not sure anything else stands out as an egregious snub. Speaking in Tongues won.... Best Album Cover. Seriously. Anyway, 99 Luftballons got snubbed. I Love L.A. by Randy Newman. And as I mentioned earlier, Prince got overlooked. 1999, Little Red Corvette and Delirious were big singles for Prince in 1983. But... then again... you gotta look at it from the perspective of the time. Lionel Richie was the second-to Michael Jackson in that moment. Even when Prince released Purple Rain, Lionel Richie was still a force to reckon. Lionel Richie has gotten lost in the shuffle over the decades but he was definitely in that Michael Jackson and Prince level in the 1980’s. The Grammys probably thought Prince was the weirdo in the group. But that’s something we can get deeper into when we discuss the Grammy’s total disrespect towards Purple Rain. Lionel Richie was aiming for a slightly different and older audience than Jackson and Prince. Those two were very much trying to be the stars of the MTV generation while Richie, who was more of a refugee of 70s R&B, was trying to shoot more for the older yuppie crowd who needed something to listen to while snorting cocaine while wearing members only jackets and then he sort of stumbled into being a bigger deal than he was. But the stars who linger generally aren't the ones you pick up when you're in your thirties, they're the ones you listened to when you were a teen, so his presence doesn't really linger in the same way. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 30, 2021 0:02:09 GMT -5
Lionel Richie was aiming for a slightly different and older audience than Jackson and Prince. Those two were very much trying to be the stars of the MTV generation while Richie, who was more of a refugee of 70s R&B, was trying to shoot more for the older yuppie crowd who needed something to listen to while snorting cocaine while wearing members only jackets and then he sort of stumbled into being a bigger deal than he was. Lionel Richie had five #1 singles in the 1980’s. Prince had four. Michael Jackson had eight. Lionel Richie was certainly contending. I think what hurt Lionel Richie is that he took a break in between 1986 and 1996. In the music business you can’t just disappear for 10 years. Meanwhile, Michael Jackson and Prince continued to work and have hits. And Madonna came in and filled in that 3rd slot of 80’s pop stars. And you can argue that Madonna was bigger than Prince. The biggest fault with Prince is that his albums were generally considered to be inconsistent. Parade, Sign o’ the Times and Lovesexy were not Purple Rain. All of Madonna’s albums were blockbuster successes in the 1980’s and then she successfully transitioned into the 90’s. Prince floundered in the 90’s. He wasn’t even “the Lionel Richie of the 90’s.” |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 30, 2021 7:25:19 GMT -5
Lionel Richie was aiming for a slightly different and older audience than Jackson and Prince. Those two were very much trying to be the stars of the MTV generation while Richie, who was more of a refugee of 70s R&B, was trying to shoot more for the older yuppie crowd who needed something to listen to while snorting cocaine while wearing members only jackets and then he sort of stumbled into being a bigger deal than he was. Lionel Richie had five #1 singles in the 1980’s. Prince had four. Michael Jackson had eight. Lionel Richie was certainly contending. I think what hurt Lionel Richie is that he took a break in between 1986 and 1996. In the music business you can’t just disappear for 10 years. Meanwhile, Michael Jackson and Prince continued to work and have hits. And Madonna came in and filled in that 3rd slot of 80’s pop stars. And you can argue that Madonna was bigger than Prince. The biggest fault with Prince is that his albums were generally considered to be inconsistent. Parade, Sign o’ the Times and Lovesexy were not Purple Rain. All of Madonna’s albums were blockbuster successes in the 1980’s and then she successfully transitioned into the 90’s. Prince floundered in the 90’s. He wasn’t even “the Lionel Richie of the 90’s.” |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 30, 2021 7:42:45 GMT -5
Prince had much more in common with David Bowie than with Michael Jackson. Like Prince, David Bowie feuded with his record label. In this case it was RCA. But unlike Prince, he fulfilled his contract with RCA, signed with EMI/Capital and made Let’s Dance as a revenge album. He purposely made the most commercial shit possible just so it could make a lot of money for anyone other than RCA. I agree that Let’s Dance is an intensely dated 80’s pop album and had no business getting nominated for Album of the Year. But I can see the Grammy’s getting caught up in the storylines of the time. Yes, the ‘84 Grammy’s will forever be known as the year that Thriller won eight Grammy’s (a record at the time), but it’s fun to have that B-plot of David Bowie giving his former label the middle finger. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 30, 2021 8:16:41 GMT -5
There's a reason why Richie has translated so well in his country writing career.
He's aimed at the wedding dance floor audience.
Not a knock on him. Love the dude.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 1, 2021 12:30:05 GMT -5
Doomsday thebtskink frankytMegadeth puts out their debut record nominating the Flashdance soundtrack just seems silly in retrospect. Here's a fun year: 1978 Rumors by Fleetwood Mac wins Album of the Year. It went up against Hotel California by the Eagles. Technically an album from October of 1976 but the Grammy's are weird that way. Aja by Steely Dan. JT by James Taylor. And... wait for... Star Wars by John Williams. That's right. Star Wars. The score! It was nominated for Album of the Year. John Williams was in competition with Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles. Ain't that wild? But before we get into that, there's something immensely fascinating about 1977 in music that's worth exploring. Peter Gabriel, Cheap Trick, Quiet Riot, Foreigner, Iggy Pop, The Clash, Kenny Loggins, Village People, Elvis Costello, Talking Heads and the Sex Pistols had their debut albums. In that order. What was in the waters in `77? Plus... Elvis' last album was released a month before his death. R.I.P. to the King. Anyway... Record of the Year went to Hotel California. Of course it did. It's goddamn Hotel California. But the nominees were a fucking joke. Blue Bayou by Linda Ronstadt. Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue by Crystal Gayle. Evergreen (Love Theme from A Star Is Born) by Barbra Streisand. You Light Up My Life by Debby Boone. Does anyone under the age of 50 even know those songs exist? They had so much to choose from too. American Girl by Tom Petty. Barracuda by Heart. Black Betty by Ram Jam. Brick House by the Commodores. I Want You to Want Me by Cheap Trick. Psycho Killer by Talking Heads. Rich Girl by Hall & Oates. Short People by Randy Newman. We Will Rock You / We Are the Champions by Queen. Jesus fuck, Grammy's. How do you fuck up this badly???!!! They didn't even nominate any of the songs from the album that they awarded Album of the Year. It's madness, I tell ya! Anyway... Song of the Year went to... a tie... really? Evergreen (Love Theme from A Star Is Born) by Barbara Streisand and You Light Up My Life by Debby Boone both won Song of the Year. It beat Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue by Crystal Gayle, Hotel California by the Eagles, Nobody Does It Better (from The Spy Who Loved Me) by Carly Simon and Southern Nights by Glen Campbell. Wow.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 1, 2021 12:55:59 GMT -5
I probably would have gone with Aja. Granted I like Steely Dan more than 90% of Millenials, but it may have prevented the 2001 debacle so it might have been best for all involved. Of course, that was never going to happen as Rumors was basically the musical death star that year. Star Wars should have been dropped from the nominees by default (that's what the Oscar for Best Score was for) and should have gotten rid of that stupid James Taylor album as well. Replace them with Low and/or Heroes by David Bowie, Trans Europe Express by Kraftwork, Exodus by Bob Marley, or if we're getting really deep into "wasn't going to happen" territory Never Mind the Bollocks... by the Sex Pistols.
Those song and record of the year nominees are mostly ridiculous. "You Light Up My Life" is one of the worst songs ever recorded (them giving Debby Boone Best New Artist is right up there with Milli Vanilli in the recording academy being terrible prognosticators) and "Evergreen" also does nothing for me. Kind of cool that "Nobody Does it Better" got in for song though. "Hotel California" as the winner is fine, maybe throw in some of the Fleetwood Mac singles (seriously, if they loved the album so much why didn't they nominate the songs?), then throw in "Strawberry Letter 23," and since I talked so much shit about Lionel Richie last year I'll throw him a bone and say that "Easy" by The Commodores should have been nominated here.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 1, 2021 13:43:03 GMT -5
-Two seminal albums from Judas Priest. Stained Class feels like the culmination of their 70s Metal pushing limits of speed and heaviness while also being surprisingly introspective. Killing Machine, meanwhile, moved into the tight songwriting that'd largely define their 80s work. A murderer's row of great tracks across both records
-Long Live Rock N' Roll is the last Rainbow album with Dio on vocals and paves the way for Power Metal.
-Rush's Hemispheres mixes radio friendly tunes with an early prog rock ambition. Circumstances is one of their absolute best tracks.
-Powerage releases to middling success but goes on to be held as one of AC/DC's best by Rock purists
-Van Halen's first record and arguably still their best. Just a blistering collection of excellent riffs.
-Never Say Die is the last Sabbath record with the original line-up. Not great but given Black Sabbath's legacy I can't exclude it from mention
-Blue Oyster Cult's live album Some Enchanted Evening has the most badass cover art
-I have no idea if Uriah Heep's album Fallen Angel is any good or not, but there's a sexy lady with her tit out on the cover so overall pretty good.
-Each member of Kiss puts out a solo record and stunningly Ace Frehley's is easily the best and produces the only real hit in New York Groove
My top picks:
Best Album
Hemispheres, Rush
Killing Machine, Judas Priest
Long Live Rock N' Roll, Rainbow
Stained Class, Judas Priest
Van Halen, Van Halen
Best Song
Ain't Talkin Bout Love, Van Halen
Beyond the Realms of Death, Judas Priest (Stained Class)
Circumstances, Rush
Delivering the Goods, Judas Priest (Killing Machine)
Gates of Babylon, Rainbow
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Post by Neverending on Feb 1, 2021 14:03:28 GMT -5
Rumors was basically the musical death star that year. I woulda thought Hotel California was a rival, but upon further investigation, it wasn’t even close. Hotel California couldn’t even compete with Stevie Wonder’s Songs in the Key of Life in its actual release year. The song Hotel California overshadows how unsuccessful the album Hotel California was. I’m not saying it was a failure. Far from it. But it wasn’t as big of a deal as one would assume. I have no clue what they were thinking. How can it be Album of the Year if none of the songs were good enough. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 1, 2021 14:53:27 GMT -5
1978 Grammys, 1977 releases:
Television's Marquee Moon is a big omission.
Peter Gabriel's debut album starts off the cult that will eventually explode into So.
AC/DC blesses us with "Let There Be Rock"
Lionel Richie and the Commodores give us "Easy"
Neil Young gives us the greatest one note guitar solo of all time in "Like a Hurricane"
ELO gives us "Mr. Blue Sky" and "Sweet Talkin' Woman"
Lynyrd Skynyrd dies 3 days after the release of "Street Survivors"
Dead Boys give us "Sonic Reducer"
Blue Oyster Cult gives us "Godzilla"
ABBA with "Take a Chance on Me"
Song of the year - "Godzilla"
Album of the Year - ELO
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2000 If PG Cooper ever wondered how the world celebrated the end of the millennium, it was jamming to the guy from Matchbox Twenty. Yes. Even Dracula was a fan. Of course. Everyone, even Doomsday, will remember Santana's dominance of the 2000 Grammy's. Supernatural won Album of the Year and Smooth won both Record and Song of the Year. I don't think there's any argument against that, except for thebtskink protesting that Limp Bizkit got snubbed. But I'll still go through the nominees cause I think they're noteworthy. Millennium by Backstreet Boys, FanMail by TLC, Fly by Dixie Chicks and When I Look in Your Eyes by some Canadian chick named Diana Krall were nominated for Album of the Year. Yes. The Backstreet Boys were nominated for Album of the Year. It's 2021. Y'all can let go of your teenage angst. That album was lit. I Want It That Way by Backstreet Boys, Livin' la Vida Loca by Ricky Martin, Unpretty by TLC and You've Got a Way by Shania Twain were nominated for Song of the Year. They kinda dropped the ball there. We'll get into that in a bit. I Want It That Way by Backstreet Boys, Livin' la Vida Loca by Ricky Martin, Believe by Cher and No Scrubs by TLC were nominated for Record of the Year. That's better. Notable albums from that year (1999) include The Slim Shady LP by Eminem, Enema of the State by blink-182, Californication by Red Hot Chili Peppers, Writing's On The Wall by Destiny's Child, There Is Nothing Left to Lose by Foo Fighters and 2001 by Dr. Dre. DMX and Jay-Z dropped albums in December. 1999 was also the year in which Britney and Christina broke out. Well, technically, at the tail end of '98, but their albums were released in `99. Obviously, a huge year for pop music. Britney & Christina. Backstreet Boys. The Latin Craze occurred that year. In addition to Ricky Martin and Santana, there was big hits by Marc Anthony and Enrique Iglesias. You can maybe count Mambo #5 by Lou Bega. It was defining year for Dr. Dre with the launch of Eminem and his own album. R&B continued to be mainstream with TLC and Destiny's Child. Rock was still relevant. Foo Fighters. blink-182. Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, if you wanna count them. There was other bands too. Rage Against the Machine had a big album that year. Korn was still riding the success of Freak on a Leash. I think Slip Knot and White Stripes had their debuts that year. Honestly, it was a good year for music. There was something for everyone. And if you listen to multiple genres (or just Top 40 music), there was loads of good music to listen to. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 3, 2021 14:37:06 GMT -5
While I agree that "Smooth" was a banger, I also sort of get why there was a backlash. The overplay of that song was really out of control and it's kind of hurt its legacy as a result. Furthermore, outside of that song I do not give a shit about the Supernatural album and don't think it should have won, and for that matter find the rest of the album nominees that year lackluster.
Replace that shit with Californication by The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Play by Moby, The Battle of Los Angeles by Rage Against the Machine, The Fragile by Nine Inch Nails, and 2001 by Dr. Dre (knowing in hindsight that Eminem will get his due later). Then give the Chili Peppers the win.
Song and Record make a little more sense, I can kind of dig going rock/rap/electronica for the albums and then embracing the pop for record. That said, "I Want it That Way" should only be in record rather than song (since the lyrics don't make a lick of sense) and you can toss that Shania Twain album too. Replace those with... looking through the top 100 and am kind of blown away with how stupid music was in 1999... maybe "Forgot About Dre" and "When a Woman's Fed Up" by R. Kelly (since we didn't know about all of his issues at the time).
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Post by Neverending on Feb 3, 2021 15:33:06 GMT -5
While I agree that "Smooth" was a banger, I also sort of get why there was a backlash. The overplay of that song was really out of control and it's kind of hurt its legacy as a result. It may have varied by market, but I think Livin' La Vida Loca was waaayyy more overplayed than Smooth. Santana is really more of a West Coast artist. In the East Coast, Ricky Martin is HUGE cause he's super popular in Puerto Rico. The World Cup Song and Livin' La Vida Loca were both humongous hits in the East. Smooth paled in comparison. Marc Anthony, another Puerto Rican artist, had a big album that year. You may have come across his hit single: That Jennifer Lopez album was an enormous hit. If You Had My Love. Let's Get Loud. Waiting for Tonight. Her duet with Marc Anthony. BIG hits. Enrique Iglesias had tons of success too. I'm telling ya, in the East, Santana had competition. Maria is great too. But, yeah, it's not really the best album of that year. My personal favorite is 2001 by Dr. Dre. I fucking love that album. lol. Yeah. That top 100 list is... something. But I can assure you it wasn't that bad. My Name Is, Role Model and Guilty Conscious by Eminem WERE singles and they did get played on the radio. Maybe not on family-friendly Top 40 stations, but they got played in urban stations. What's My Name by DMX came out at the tail end of `99. Freak on a Leash by Korn was from their `98 album, but the single came out in `99 and was a sensation. I don't know what your tolerance level for Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock are, but their singles got radio play too. Nookie. Break Stuff. Bawitdaba. Cowboy. Only God Knows Why. blink-182, you probably hate them too, but they got radio play. What's My Age Again? in 1999. All the Small Things and Adam's Son in 2000. All three singles were from their `99 album, Enema of the State. Learn to Fly by Foo Fighters. List goes on. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 3, 2021 16:20:49 GMT -5
Livin La Vida Loca also got tons of airplay but it was easier to escape as it was mostly confined to pop radio. Smooth was played on pop radio too but was also HEAVILY played on the adult contemporary station my mother would listen to and on the rock stations, then if you switched to hip hop or R&B stations they'd be playing Maria Maria.
I don't remember hearing a lot of Eminem during the Slim Shady LP era, I mostly remember him really crossing over during the Marshall Mathers LP cylce, at least for twelve-year-old midwesterners like myself. 2001 didn't actually come out until November 1999 (it was probably technically eligible for Emmys the next year) and its singles seemed to emerge around the same time as the Marshall Mathers LP singles, they sort of rose on each other's steam.
I don't think I heard a lot of Limp Biscuit or Korn in 1999 but did eventually encounter both quite a bit later on when I started listening to the area "modern rock" station in my teens during my metal phase which basically never dropped anything from its playlist and would still occasionally play butt rock like that long after it was considered passé.
I do however remember hearing Kid Rock and Blink-182 at the time and honestly kind of take both even less seriously because I associate them with being in the same rotation as boy bands. Blink-182 in particular is a band I'm continuously shocked to find people actually still take seriously as I basically think of them as being watered down Green Day for fratty shitheads.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 3, 2021 17:16:27 GMT -5
I don't remember hearing a lot of Eminem during the Slim Shady LP era, I mostly remember him really crossing over during the Marshall Mathers LP cycle, at least for twelve-year-old midwesterners like myself. Eminem was a sensation on MTV. He was on all the shows. He performed at Spring Break and was groping people. I shit you not. He would have been MeToo'd in a heartbeat for that today. But back then people laughed it off. And he was an award-winner at the VMA's that year. Eminem was a star before Marshall Mathers dropped. Still D.R.E got radio play in `99. And to promote the album's release in November, Dre and Snoop Dogg shut down Time Square to perform for the crowd outside the MTV Studios. Freak on a Leash was huge in '99. Limp Bizkit was acquired taste, but they had enough fans to sell out venues. Kid Rock, I would argue was legitimately mainstream successful. Bawitdaba, Cowboy and Only God Knows Why were legit hits. I'm surprised Only God Knows Why didn't play on your mom's Adult Alternative station. Grown ass adults loved that song. Adam's Song is a quintessential Hot Topic song |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 4, 2021 12:58:39 GMT -5
1971 Dracula may agree with me when I say that 1971 hosted the first Grammy's that made any sense. I don't know who was in charge throughout the 1960's, but it feels like the inmates had take over the asylum. The first Album of the Year award went to the Peter Gunn TV soundtrack. Seriously. The following year, Frank Sinatra won for a compilation album. Year after that, they gave it to a Bob Newhart stand-up album. Then it was a Judy Garland concert album. You see where I'm going with this. Even when they managed to get the winners right, like in the case of Sgt. Pepper, it was going up against nonsense. In 1971, the adults took charge and the Grammy's began to resemble the Grammy's we're all familiar with. The winner for Album of the Year was Bridge over Troubled Water by Simon & Garfunkel. It went up against Chicago by Chicago, Close to You by The Carpenters, Déjà Vu by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Elton John by Elton John and Sweet Baby James by James Taylor. You can certainly say the Boomers were in control at this point. Song of the Year went to Bridge over Troubled Water by Simon & Garfunkel. Everything is Beautiful by Ray Stevens, Fire and Rain by James Taylor and Let It Be by The Beatles were nominated. Bridge over Troubled Water also won Record of the Year. It beat Everything Is Beautiful, Fire and Rain, Let It Be and (They Long to Be) Close to You by The Carpenters. As I said earlier, this is very much Boomer music. Let It Be is the only song here that has transcended generations. In the album side there's, at least, Chicago, which includes the song 25 or 6 to 4, and Elton John, which features Your Song. Shockingly, neither song was nominated. But again, it was the age of Vietnam, Woodstock and Nixon. The Boomers were in a certain mood. 1970 is best known as the year in which the Beatles broke up. They released their final album, Let It Be, but all four Beatles also released solo records. George Harrison's All Things Must Pass was actually nominated for Album of the Year the following year. Paul McCartney's album was eligible for this particular year and his album had the song Maybe I'm Amazed, which again, amazingly wasn't nominated. The Boomers just weren't in the mood. That's the Way Love Is by Marvin Gaye, Morrison Hotel by the Doors, Black Sabbath and Paranoid by Black Sabbath, ABC by the Jackson 5, Cosmo's Factory and Pendulum by Creedence Clearwater Revival, Signed, Sealed & Delivered by Stevie Wonder, Sunflower by the Beach Boys and Led Zeppelin III by Led Zeppelin. Among others. I'm sure thebtskink could put together a whole other list. I'm actually gonna side with PG Cooper here. Black Sabbath had two classic albums that year. If I had to choose one, I guess I'd go with Paranoid. Songs from that album could have also been nominated. Sticking to songs for a moment, Forever by the Beach Boys, how was that not a nominee? The Jackson 5, love them or hate them, that album was fire. Creedence Clearwater Revival had tons to nominate. Were they too Southern for the Grammy's? Do we even need to mention Led Zeppelin III? As I said earlier, the recipients made sense for the period. It was peak Boomer. But there was enough good music to spread the love. These could have been a very diverse Grammy's. They could have had Boomers music, redneck music, metal, R&B, pop, etc, and made everyone happy. Instead, we gotta settle for Boomer music. Goddamn, Boomers. |
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