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Post by Neverending on Sept 27, 2020 16:57:32 GMT -5
Probably that it's an easier market to break into when you have built in name recognition from being a key member of the biggest rock band of all time. How is the US easier than the UK if you're Paul McCartney? Mull of Kintyre was his only #1 hit in the entire 1970's. Meanwhile, in the US, he had 5 #1 hits as Wings, and as a solo artist, he had a #1 hit with Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey. 6 #1's in the US but only one in the UK. Were the Brits more loyal to John Lennon? Let's take a look. John Lennon had only ONE #1 hit in the 1970's and it was in the US. Whatever Gets You thru the Night in 1974. So, Queen had more #1's than John Lennon. What happened, Dracula ? Were the Brits mad that the Beatles broke up? Were they more affected than the US? Keep in mind that The Beatles had 27 #1 singles. How does John Lennon go from 27 #1 singles in the 1960's to only one in the 1970's? Imagine wasn't a #1 in neither the US nor the UK. Imagine that! Could there be some revisionist history surrounding John Lennon because he was killed? Let's look at George Harrison. My Sweet Lord (1970) was #1 in the US and UK. Right off the bat with a #1. It took McCartney a year and Lennon four years. Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth) was a US #1 in 1973. How about Ringo? Photograph and You're Sixteen were US #1's in 1973. Collectively, The Beatles had 12 #1's in the 1970's. More than Queen, I guess. lol.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 27, 2020 17:50:29 GMT -5
Probably that it's an easier market to break into when you have built in name recognition from being a key member of the biggest rock band of all time. How is the US easier than the UK if you're Paul McCartney? Mull of Kintyre was his only #1 hit in the entire 1970's. Meanwhile, in the US, he had 5 #1 hits as Wings, and as a solo artist, he had a #1 hit with Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey. 6 #1's in the US but only one in the UK. Were the Brits more loyal to John Lennon? Let's take a look. John Lennon had only ONE #1 hit in the 1970's and it was in the US. Whatever Gets You thru the Night in 1974. So, Queen had more #1's than John Lennon. What happened, Dracula ? Were the Brits mad that the Beatles broke up? Were they more affected than the US? Keep in mind that The Beatles had 27 #1 singles. How does John Lennon go from 27 #1 singles in the 1960's to only one in the 1970's? Imagine wasn't a #1 in neither the US nor the UK. Imagine that! Could there be some revisionist history surrounding John Lennon because he was killed? Let's look at George Harrison. My Sweet Lord (1970) was #1 in the US and UK. Right off the bat with a #1. It took McCartney a year and Lennon four years. Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth) was a US #1 in 1973. How about Ringo? Photograph and You're Sixteen were US #1's in 1973. Collectively, The Beatles had 12 #1's in the 1970's. More than Queen, I guess. lol. I really don't know if it applies to Queen and/or Wings, but the usual story (in an oldschool pre-Spotify world) is that because the UK is a small country word of new bands spread faster there and that the BBC or an appearance on Top of the Pops could allow a band to break nationwide in a way you really can't in a large country like the United States. "Breaking America" so to speak required bands to tour for years and kiss the asses of radio programmers in various markets and to some extent you had to keep on doing that to have continued success. If you're an American band you just do this because you don't have any choice, but if you've already become a superstar "across the pond" you're less inclined to put in the work to start over from scratch in another country. That's why you have these bands like Madness or The Jam or Slade who are considered to be massively important in the UK but who barely got a foothold stateside. It doesn't always go like this (The Beatles were an obvious exception) but it replayed itself like that enough that I could easily see Queen failing to reach their full potential simply by remaining a UK based outfit and not doing quite enough of the work to become absolute chart toppers despite obviously having a following and getting plenty of ears at the time, especially given that the competition for arena rockers in the 70s was probably quite fierce. Wings, on the other hand didn't really need to go through the same rigmarole because McCartney had already made his name so to speak in the previous decade and when a former Beatle puts out a single people pay attention.
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Post by thebtskink on Sept 27, 2020 17:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Sept 27, 2020 17:56:21 GMT -5
Probably that it's an easier market to break into when you have built in name recognition from being a key member of the biggest rock band of all time. John Lennon had only ONE #1 hit in the 1970's and it was in the US. Whatever Gets You thru the Night in 1974. How does John Lennon go from 27 #1 singles in the 1960's to only one in the 1970's? Imagine wasn't a #1 in neither the US nor the UK. Imagine that! Could there be some revisionist history surrounding John Lennon because he was killed? He didn't put out an album between 1975 and 1980... and have you listened to those albums? They were not exactly commercial. He also rather infamously never resumed touring like McCartney did and generally wasn't going through the hustle. George Harrison and Ringo Star had something to prove by putting out popular solo singles, Lennon was more interested in what we would now call "indie cred."
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Post by thebtskink on Sept 27, 2020 18:15:48 GMT -5
Lennon's solo work is a disappointment compared to Harrison and McCartney
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Post by Dracula on Sept 27, 2020 18:29:00 GMT -5
Lennon's solo work is a disappointment compared to Harrison and McCartney Probably, but that wasn't the critical consensus at the time. Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass were considered these introspective personal materpieces while McCartney's early solo albums were seen as more scattershot and commercial and less in keeping with The Beatles legacy. Lennon also said as much in interviews and even released what is essentially a damn diss track. McCartney had the last laugh though because after the Imagine album in 1971 Lennon kind of "lost it" and his next couple albums were pretty meh. Hard to tell what would have happened if he'd lived. He was by all accounts in a pretty good place creatively when he died and very well could have had a better 80s than McCartney.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 27, 2020 18:41:25 GMT -5
I could easily see Queen failing to reach their full potential simply by remaining a UK based outfit and not doing quite enough of the work to become absolute chart toppers despite obviously having a following Brian May has spoken about that. He considers their American run to be a disappointment, despite scoring two #1 singles and Bohemian Rhapsody being prominently features in Wayne's World. That certainly explains his US success but his lack of UK success could be attributed to UK-based bands like Queen that were putting in more of the work locally. He didn't put out an album between 1975 and 1980... Yeah... but... Give Peace a Chance, Cold Turkey, Power to the People, Imagine and Happy Xmas (War Is Over) didn't make #1 in neither the US nor the UK. That's pretty remarkable considering the status of both John Lennon and those songs. His first #1 was Whatever Gets You thru the Night. That's bonkers! That 100% hurt Lennon. McCartney benefited greatly from touring. Modern critics dispute that. McCartney (1970), Ram (1971) and Wild Life (1971) are now widely considered the first Indie Pop albums. Plastic Ono Band and Imagine are Phil Spector productions. Mind Games and Wall & Bridges are just rock albums. McCartney is the one who went off to his farm in Scotland and started pumping out low-fi/homemade albums. And critics in the 1970's trashed him for that. They hated him back then for what they described as "domesticated work". I read one critic write, "come spend the afternoon with Paul, Linda and the kids." But now, the Zoomers, who love Mr. Rogers and Bob Ross, they eat up that shit. Ram is widely considered a great album these days. Also, another reason thebtskink needs to start that Music Club.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2020 14:52:09 GMT -5
Doomsday thebtskink Dracula , I took the extra steps to investigate things further. John Lennon's Imagine was released as a US Single on October 11, 1971 and peaked at #3 on November 13. It was beat by Isaac Hayes' Theme From Shaft at #2 and Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves by Cher at #1. Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody was released on Halloween 1975 and peaked at #9 on April 24, 1976. It took quite a bit for the song to catch on our side of the pond. The #1 song that week was Disco Lady by Johnnie Taylor.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 28, 2020 15:01:21 GMT -5
Doomsday thebtskink Dracula , I took the extra steps to investigate things further. John Lennon's Imagine was released as a US Single on October 11, 1971 and peaked at #3 on November 13. It was beat by Isaac Hayes' Theme From Shaft at #2 and Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves by Cher at #1. Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody was released on Halloween 1975 and peaked at #9 on April 24, 1976. It took quite a bit for the song to catch on our side of the pond. The #1 song that week was Disco Lady by Johnnie Taylor. We look back at both of those songs as classics but they obviously kind of weird songs that were going to have problems getting consistent radio play. One was a minimalist manifesto that called for an end to possessions and heaven and the other is a six minute song with odd digressions and cryptic lyrics. It was going to be an uphill battle for both of them and getting them to #3 and #9 respectively probably was considered a win.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2020 15:23:36 GMT -5
We look back at both of those songs as classics but they obviously kind of weird songs that were going to have problems getting consistent radio play. One was a minimalist manifesto that called for an end to possessions and heaven and the other is a six minute song with odd digressions and cryptic lyrics. It was going to be an uphill battle for both of them and getting them to #3 and #9 respectively probably was considered a win. On the flip side. Queen's Crazy Little Thing Called Love was released on October 5, 1979. It reached #1 on February 23, 1980. Michael Jackson's Rock With You was at #5 and Donna Summer's On The Radio was at #7. Later that year, Queen's Another One Bites the Dust reached #1 on October 4. Right under it at #2 was All Out Of Love by Air Supply and further down at #8 was I'm Alright (from Caddyshack) by thebtskink favorite Kenny Loggins. Then to wrap up 1980, a year that saw Ronald Reagan get elected as President, John Lennon was shot and killed. (Just Like) Starting Over reached #1 on December 27. Ironically, at #9, was Pat Benatar's Hit Me with Your Best Shot. Ouch.
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Post by thebtskink on Sept 28, 2020 16:45:36 GMT -5
Kenny Loggins is an American treasure.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 1, 2020 10:12:07 GMT -5
Green Day
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Post by frankyt on Oct 1, 2020 10:45:07 GMT -5
Basket case or longview.
Ogs still the hitters.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 1, 2020 11:00:29 GMT -5
She is also one of my favs.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 1, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -5
I’ll be the basic bitch this time.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 1, 2020 22:32:00 GMT -5
Probably Basket Case, Longview, or When I Come Around. All those Dookie singles are basically on even footing with me. Brain Stew is also good. Generally with Green Day the famous songs are famous for a reason, don't have too much affection for the album cuts.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 4, 2020 17:43:54 GMT -5
Early pre disco Bee Gees is still weird to me.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 5, 2020 18:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Oct 5, 2020 19:21:23 GMT -5
I think the discourse would say that the Bee Gees were the ones appropriating a black/gay music genre to greater success than their influences. They were the Elvis of disco, motherfuck them and John Wayne.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 6, 2020 14:37:48 GMT -5
Van Halen, in honor of Eddie
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