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Post by donny on Sept 19, 2020 10:26:56 GMT -5
The first act is quite rough at times, mainly in setting up the whole plot and the pacing. Felt too rushed and most of the setup was underdeveloped. It seemed like it was more concerned in moving on to the next scene, whatever it may have been.
The second half though, or from the freeway chase on, was pretty bangin.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 19, 2020 10:37:25 GMT -5
So it's been pretty much confirmed that "Neil" is the kid. What do you think about this bombshell, IanTheCool ? I dont see it. Nothing in the movie pointed to that, as far as I could tell (granted I was very confused most of the time). I also dont see what purpose it would serve to the movie.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 16:05:36 GMT -5
So it's been pretty much confirmed that "Neil" is the kid. lol
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 16:06:08 GMT -5
I've been saying this since 2012 and only Doomsday pays attention to me. Probably a sign. You hate Joker but like Tenet. You make no sense.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 19, 2020 16:49:14 GMT -5
He likes the better film more. Imagine that.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 16:52:42 GMT -5
He likes the better film more. Imagine that. Explain to me how Tenet is the better movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 16:55:12 GMT -5
He likes the better film more. Imagine that. Explain to me how Tenet is the better movie. Tenet doesn't have a scene where the main character gets fired and the camera slowly zooms in on his face looking maniacal while a high pitched squeal drowns out the dialogue to signify "woah this guy's cRaZy"
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 19, 2020 16:58:48 GMT -5
With the way Branagh was acting in this movie, it might as well have.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 17:03:07 GMT -5
Explain to me how Tenet is the better movie. Tenet doesn't have a scene where the main character gets fired and the camera slowly zooms in on his face looking maniacal while a high pitched squeal drowns out the dialogue to signify "woah this guy's cRaZy" Joker doesn’t have ear shattering sound effects and dialogue you can’t hear. It also doesn’t have Kenneth Branagh as a laughably bad wife beater. And it doesn’t have a nonsensical plot. What it does have is Joaquin Phoenix in a career defining role and the cojones to be an R-rated supervillain movie that tackles mental health. Sure, it’s a Scorsese “homage” but I rather have that than Nolan at his most egomaniacal and in perhaps his worst movie ever. Only Insomnia is arguably worse and that’s a giant maybe.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 17:09:32 GMT -5
Tenet doesn't have a scene where the main character gets fired and the camera slowly zooms in on his face looking maniacal while a high pitched squeal drowns out the dialogue to signify "woah this guy's cRaZy" Joker doesn’t have ear shattering sound effects and dialogue you can’t hear. It also doesn’t have Kenneth Branagh as a laughably bad wife beater. And it doesn’t have a nonsensical plot. What it does have is Joaquin Phoenix in a career defining role and the cojones to be an R-rated supervillain movie that tackles mental health. Sure, it’s a Scorsese “homage” but I rather have that than Nolan at his most egomaniacal and in perhaps his worst movie ever. Only Insomnia is arguably worse and that’s a giant maybe. Insomnia's pretty good. Also debating Tenet vs. Joker is largely futile. The two movies are pretty drastically different and how I can enjoy one and not the other have little to nothing in common. Tenet is exciting spectacle that forced me to keep up and offered some truly unique and riveting set-pieces. Joker poses as a character study which doesn't have much to say or engage emotionally and in stripping out so much of the comic-book movie elements just ended up being kind of boring. Phoenix's performance is "good" in terms of raw talent, but it screams "LOOK AT ALL THE ACTING I'M DOING". He's done much better work.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 17:34:19 GMT -5
lol. I was busting your balls. I mostly disagree. The opening scene at the opera house had spectacularly awful sound mixing. Ruined the whole thing. And the climax juxtaposing the hunt for the device and the events on the boat wasn’t as suspenseful and dramatic as it should have been. Compare it to Inception and you’ll see how much Nolan has declined in terms of cinematography, editing and sound mixing. Really, the only truly standout scene was the initial “backwards fight” and the revelation later on. That’s why I argued Tenet would work best as a sci-fI thriller. Those art gallery scenes should have been the bulk of the movie. Nolan sacrificed an excellent tightly made thriller for some bizarre Evil Soviet/Wife Beater story. Not that I’m against Evil Soviet/Wife Beater stories but if that’s the route you wanna go in, the movie should be more dramatically structured. It just doesn’t mesh with Nolan’s over indulgent set pieces. Plus, Kenneth Branagh is an embarrassment. That was some Nick Cage/John Travolta level acting. That has its place in certain type of movies but not in one in which you can barely hear the dialogue.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 19, 2020 17:37:19 GMT -5
I wound up seeing Tenet twice for some reason. The first one had a sound mix that was fucked beyond belief. The second sounded just fine.
I think Nolan is fucking with people.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 17:50:49 GMT -5
I swear it's solid. Also an interesting glimpse to a time when Nolan's movies weren't so aggressively PG-13. I don't disagree that Inception handles its climax much better, though I think it's less the execution of the scene and more the context. People can complain about Nolan's exposition, but Inception is so good at making every piece clear that the finale is highly suspenseful. But in Tenet, the audience is doing so much work to keep up that the climax loses that same suspenseful charge. I still enjoyed it as a visceral experience, but yes, Inception is better. It's also probably Nolan's best movie though. I think Nolan is fucking with people. Nolan is the real Joker.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 18:04:20 GMT -5
I wound up seeing Tenet twice for some reason. The first one had a sound mix that was fucked beyond belief. The second sounded just fine. I think Nolan is fucking with people. Nolan confirmed as Andy Kaufman. People can complain about Nolan's exposition, but Inception is so good at making every piece clear that the finale is highly suspenseful. But in Tenet, the audience is doing so much work to keep up that the climax loses that same suspenseful charge. I don’t ... disagree ... but I’ll add that Tenet isn’t as clever as Nolan thinks it is. Once you get the gist of it, you realize how dumb the whole thing is. I think a lot of the “confusion” was just an excuse for Nolan to over indulge. That’s what I mean when I say Nolan is morphing into George Lucas. The bungee jump scene is stupid and the Indian lady is a pointless character. The scene in which they’re in that weird boat thing and whats-her-face tries to kill Branagh was dumb as well. This movie has a lot of fat that needed to be cut. The Michael Caine cameo and the scientist lady were the only exposition this movie needed. Fleshed out, of course.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 19, 2020 18:10:46 GMT -5
What do you think about this bombshell, IanTheCool ? I dont see it. Nothing in the movie pointed to that, as far as I could tell (granted I was very confused most of the time). I also dont see what purpose it would serve to the movie. Nolan has pretty much confirmed it bro. BOOM.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 18:13:50 GMT -5
People can complain about Nolan's exposition, but Inception is so good at making every piece clear that the finale is highly suspenseful. But in Tenet, the audience is doing so much work to keep up that the climax loses that same suspenseful charge. I don’t ... disagree ... but I’ll add that Tenet isn’t as clever as Nolan thinks it is. Once you get the gist of it, you realize how dumb the whole thing is. I think a lot of the “confusion” was just an excuse for Nolan to over indulge. That’s what I mean when I say Nolan is morphing into George Lucas. The bungee jump scene is stupid and the Indian lady is a pointless character. The scene in which they’re in that weird boat thing and whats-her-face tries to kill Branagh was dumb as well. This movie has a lot of fat that needed to be cut. The Michael Caine cameo and the scientist lady were the only exposition this movie needed. Fleshed out, of course. I'll agree that the boat scene was odd. I get that it's the Bond movie scene where Bond and the villain get into a dick measuring contest, but it probably would have been a good time to not have a bombastic action scene. I liked the bungee jump though. And the Indian lady.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 19, 2020 18:14:50 GMT -5
I dont see it. Nothing in the movie pointed to that, as far as I could tell (granted I was very confused most of the time). I also dont see what purpose it would serve to the movie. Nolan has pretty much confirmed it bro. BOOM. I don't care. Death of the author. It needs to be in the text or I can't be bothered.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 18:18:48 GMT -5
I get that it's the Bond movie scene where Bond and the villain get into a dick measuring contest, but it probably would have been a good time to not have a bombastic action scene. I’m not sure we’re talking about the same scene. I mean the one in which she cuts Branagh’s rope and he falls into the ocean and Denzel Jr has to rescue. Whole scene felt like an excuse for Nolan to show off those weird boats. Whatever they’re called. Total George Lucas move.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 18:19:59 GMT -5
I get that it's the Bond movie scene where Bond and the villain get into a dick measuring contest, but it probably would have been a good time to not have a bombastic action scene. I’m not sure we’re talking about the same scene. I mean the one in which she cuts Branagh’s rope and he falls into the ocean and Denzel Jr has to rescue. Whole scene felt like an excuse for Nolan to show off those weird boats. Whatever they’re called. Total George Lucas move. The one halfway through where their sailing together? I remember it having some sort of competitive aspect at least implied.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 19, 2020 18:24:19 GMT -5
Nolan has pretty much confirmed it bro. BOOM. I don't care. Death of the author. It needs to be in the text or I can't be bothered. The kid's name is Max, Pattinson's name is Neil. Max is short for Maximilien . Maximilien spelled backwards is NEILimixam. The clues are all there.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 19, 2020 18:25:49 GMT -5
But Nolan didn't explain it in monologue form. Doesn't count.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 18:28:38 GMT -5
I’m not sure we’re talking about the same scene. I mean the one in which she cuts Branagh’s rope and he falls into the ocean and Denzel Jr has to rescue. Whole scene felt like an excuse for Nolan to show off those weird boats. Whatever they’re called. Total George Lucas move. The one halfway through where their sailing together? I remember it having some sort of competitive aspect at least implied. Yes. That’s the one. I guess I get the whole competitive/dick measuring thing but it just came across as odd. I mean, Branagh didn’t actually do anything. Denzel Jr and the wife were doing most of the work. The scene that should have been the competitive/dick measuring one is the dinner scene. No clue why Nolan rushed through. I bet you that scene isn’t even a minute long. It’s an example of everything that’s wrong with this movie. He’ll allow Denzel Jr to exchange wits with Michael Caine (“you brits don’t monopolize snobbery” — “we just have a controlling interest” — great scene and a contender for Dracula’s Golden Stake Award) but he can't let the hero have a battle of wits with the villain?
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 18:31:28 GMT -5
The one halfway through where their sailing together? I remember it having some sort of competitive aspect at least implied. Yes. That’s the one. I guess I get the whole competitive/dick measuring thing but it just came across as odd. I mean, Branagh didn’t actually do anything. Denzel Jr and the wife were doing most of the work. The scene that should have been the competitive/dick measuring one is the dinner scene. No clue why Nolan rushed through. I bet you that scene isn’t even a minute long. It’s an example of everything that’s wrong with this movie. He’ll allow Denzel Jr to exchange wits with Michael Caine (“you brits don’t monopolize snobbery” — “we just have a controlling interest” — great scene and a contender for Dracula’s Golden Stake Award) but he can't let the hero have a battle of wits with the villain? You're not wrong, but "How would you like to die?" "Old." is a fun little exchange.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 18:33:24 GMT -5
You're not wrong, but "How would you like to die?" "Old." is a fun little exchange. More of that and less of “I can’t hear your backwards talk through the window.”
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 19, 2020 22:34:58 GMT -5
I probably wont buy this one if I'm being honest.
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