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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 27, 2020 15:59:27 GMT -5
It feels wrong to start this thread with a standard review given I can't really discuss the movie with any of you at the moment and I'm also having a hard time sorting my own thoughts out at the moment. So this first post is gonna be more of a general first impressions as I sort out my feelings and wait to be able to discuss Tenet with you guys. Anyway, Is Tenet great? I think it is. It's full of inventive action scenes and a creative story which blends tried and true genre beats with something more complex that really asks you keep up as a viewer. The combination of spectacle and intricate plotting makes for an exhilarating experience that I loved watching and the film is also anchored quite well by a solid and charming cast. Is the movie a top-tier Nolan film rivaling The Dark Knight and Inception? At this point, I'm inclined to say no. People often describe Nolan as a cold filmmaker and while I usually don't find that fair, there is some truth to that with Tenet. Perhaps it's the case of the film's complex sci-fi concept overwhelming the human element but I certainly found myself more invested in simply making sense of the story than I was connecting with the people. That's not to say there isn't a human element here. Again, the cast is very strong and there are plot beats built around the emotions of its characters, but there's nothing that really touches with the same emotional poignancy as some of the character drama in The Dark Knight trilogy or the "disappointed" scene in Inception. Granted, this might be an issue which fades with future viewings. I think it's fair to say Tenet is easily Nolan's most dense and hard to follow movie and now that I have a firm grasp on the plot and the high-concept I might be able to invest more emotionally with rewatches. Granted, "hard to follow" shouldn't be taken to mean impenetrable. The overarching story similar enough to a James Bond movie that you can always generally understand what's happening, it's in the details where things get more complex. Case in point, there are some fairly obvious twists that I imagine most people here will see coming, but the precise motivations behind these twists are often more interesting and less easy to predict. The film also has some fairly obvious dialogue early on explaining the inversion concept and how you shouldn't worry about trying to understand it and to just "feel it". It's a little on the noise and I can picture Doomsday's eye-roll, but by the end I was grateful the film gave such an obvious description early to ground things. On a technical level, the film is what you expect from Nolan. In fact he seems to have improved quite a bit when it comes to filming and editing fight scenes since the days of Batman Begins. Even before introducing the more elaborate inversion concept to the action it's all still presented beautifully. The score by Ludwig Göransson is pretty neat too. Definitely resembles the work Zimmer's done for Nolan, but feels a little more ambient and effectively melds science-fiction with an espionage thriller. One thing is that the sound design can make dialogue a bit hard to hear, especially with multiple different accents throughout. Probably didn't help with understanding everything. I should also mention that for as insanely impressive and dazzling as the large scale climax is, making sense of all the pieces does start to distract from the story. Comparison to Inception is useful. People can complain all they want about the excessive exposition, but that film does a remarkable job making everything clear so that by the end you understand each and every detail, which makes it all the more thrilling. Like Hitchcock demonstrated over and over again, suspense is built on what the audience knows. But in the end of Tenet, I was doing mental gymnastics just to follow along which did make the in the moment suspense a bit strained. Again, broad strokes, I understood what the characters were doing and what the stakes were, but the line between victory and defeat starts to blur. So, what do I make of Tenet? Well, it's probably the best movie I've seen in 2020 and while that's greatly aided by a real lack of competition, I have a feeling the movie would rank quite highly even if the coronavirus had never happened. It's not a perfect movie and I suspect it won't quite resonate with general audiences as strongly as Nolan's Batman movies or Inception (which is certainly Tenet's closest companion piece), but it's another ambitious and highly entertaining piece of cinema from Christopher Nolan. No one else working in Hollywood right now is consistently taking such daring risks in blockbuster filmmaking and it's hard not to appreciate that. For whatever reservations or complaints I may have, the fact is I can't wait to watch Tenet again.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 27, 2020 16:01:56 GMT -5
It's a little on the noise and I can picture Doomsday 's eye-roll, but by the end I was grateful the film gave such an obvious description early to ground things. I TOLD YA!
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 27, 2020 16:34:04 GMT -5
One thing is that the sound design can make dialogue a bit hard to hear, especially with multiple different accents throughout. Probably didn't help with understanding everything. That seems to be a common issue with Nolan's films in the theater ever since The Dark Knight Rises. And I remember noticing it with that movie, but I can't say for sure about Interstellar or Dunkirk. You have to wonder if it's being done on purpose, cause four in a row forms a pattern.
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Post by donny on Aug 27, 2020 16:37:31 GMT -5
One thing is that the sound design can make dialogue a bit hard to hear, especially with multiple different accents throughout. Probably didn't help with understanding everything. That seems to be a common issue with Nolan's films in the theater ever since The Dark Knight Rises. And I remember noticing it with that movie, but I can't say for sure about Interstellar or Dunkirk. You have to wonder if it's being done on purpose, cause four in a row forms a pattern. Yeah, with Dunkirk you can notice it in some of the cockpit scenes with Tom Hardy's character or one of the pilots. Anyways, I'll be checking this out on Monday. This whole week I thought it wasn't for another 2 weeks until I re-checked my purchase. Looking forward to it either way.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 27, 2020 16:38:14 GMT -5
I remember having a really hard time hearing dialogue during Interstellar. I don't remember it being a problem during Rises or Dunkirk.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 27, 2020 16:41:19 GMT -5
PG Cooper, you had a prime opportunity it to just make shit up here and you blew it.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 27, 2020 16:42:05 GMT -5
Maybe it's also dependent on how the theater's sound is set up. Not sure. There's at least one scene that is very deliberately fucking with the dialogue in a way which makes sense.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 27, 2020 17:04:17 GMT -5
Actually, I have a confession of sorts to make.
There's a bootleg version of Tenet's opening sequence somewhere on Reddit, recorded from when they were showing it in IMAX with Rise of Skywalker, I think. And my impulse control can be so bad sometimes, and this was one of those times. I've watched that bootleg opening sequence. Quite a few times. Picture quality's pretty decent. The same thing happened with the opening "prologues" of The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, and I first saw those sequences that way, too.
So, PG Cooper, how bout those first 5 1/2 minutes, huh?
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 27, 2020 19:24:52 GMT -5
Actually, I have a confession of sorts to make. There's a bootleg version of Tenet's opening sequence somewhere on Reddit, recorded from when they were showing it in IMAX with Rise of Skywalker, I think. And my impulse control can be so bad sometimes, and this was one of those times. I've watched that bootleg opening sequence. Quite a few times. Picture quality's pretty decent. The same thing happened with the opening "prologues" of The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, and I first saw those sequences that way, too. So, PG Cooper, how bout those first 5 1/2 minutes, huh? Watching that in the theater after not seeing a new movie in one since March felt so god damn good.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 29, 2020 21:28:47 GMT -5
It feels wrong to start this thread with a standard review given I can't really discuss the movie with any of you at the moment I can talk about it with ya buddy
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 29, 2020 21:59:43 GMT -5
It feels wrong to start this thread with a standard review given I can't really discuss the movie with any of you at the moment I can talk about it with ya buddy Oh shit did you see it?
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 29, 2020 22:19:20 GMT -5
Yessir
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 30, 2020 1:27:22 GMT -5
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 30, 2020 8:09:14 GMT -5
I would say that I did. The first act has a lot of problems and it almost lost me, but the last half it won me over. Great set pieces.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 30, 2020 11:24:48 GMT -5
What was your theater experience like Coop? There were two other people in the whole theater for mine. I saw one employee. Place was a ghost town. Which was good.
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Post by donny on Aug 30, 2020 11:29:21 GMT -5
Seeing it tomorrow in 70 mm IMAX. I know my theater is sold out, but it's also 30% max capacity.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 30, 2020 12:53:03 GMT -5
What was your theater experience like Coop? There were two other people in the whole theater for mine. I saw one employee. Place was a ghost town. Which was good. I think 6 or 8 people total? Pretty sparse.
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Post by frankyt on Aug 31, 2020 13:48:28 GMT -5
I still have standards. Not trying to rub dirt in my eyes with a cam version.
Must be at least 1080p for my program to even notice it.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 31, 2020 18:57:32 GMT -5
So I went to the theater for the first time in 7 months... Tenet is a movie that lost me, and then won me back. You could say I went two opposite directions on it. Eh? Ehhhh? wink wink The first act of Tenet has a lot of problems , and this is what ultimately holds it back from being a great movie. I was quite surprised at the lack of coherency from Nolan and crew. The world-building was weak and the plot was convoluted, jumping from place to place, person to person, without giving us any time to let any of it sink in. There are a few parts to blame here, I think. First is the editing. Scene transitions were jumpy and awkward. Second was the lack in strength in the performances of the secondary actors and the dialogue and direction they are given with their lines. I am thinking specifically of the scientist scene, where the main premise of the whole film is presented. Its delivered so non-nonchalantly that its jarring. Um, things are moving backwards in time, show some awe and wonder! Just a little bit! And finally the sound mixing; some voices are really muffled and the background music is distracting.
Above all else, I really wish the character introductions were better. For example, Robert Patterson's character, who is a big deal in the movie, just shows up without much explanation of who he is, how the main character knows him, or why we should care about him. But then, around the halfway mark, the movie started winning me over. The star of the show here is the action set pieces. They are expertly filmed, inventive, and engaging. I especially liked the heist of the transport truck and the ensuing car chase. When the main character (I cannot remember his name honestly) decides to invert himself, this is where the movie really gets good and things start falling into place. It reminds me to two films: Back to the Future 2 with the idea of revisiting past events, and Mad Max Fury Road with the idea of returning back the way you came. These are both great ideas and done so with a lot of innovation here. I will admit that I didn't fully understand how things happened at the end of the movie, especially with the Neil character. Perhaps a second viewing will clear a lot of things up if I go in with the right vantage to figure things out. I really wish that Nolan had set up the concept, characters, and overall movie better. But it turned into a wild, imaginative action film that got the heart pumping and brain working.
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Post by donny on Aug 31, 2020 19:45:24 GMT -5
Well.... that was something. Need some time to think about how I feel, but things really start to click in the 2nd act.
Honestly it was just great to get back to the theater and see something new. Those moments of seeing something on the big screen, especially a big event, still matter. Regardless of what you think of Nolan.
There's been a lot of talk in the lead up to this as to whether or not he's "rescuing cinema" or something to that effect, which I find to be a bit overblown. And no, while I don't think he is some sort of savior, I do think he ultimately knows how to deliver on the big scale.
I have a ton of questions, and criticisms for that matter, but I found a lot of this movie to be a ton of fun, and it has a nice energy to it. He's back in his wheelhouse with time and science fiction after tackling the war genre with 'Dunkirk', but there is enough here to feel like there is a bit of a new spin. Some real cool set pieces and action sequences.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 31, 2020 20:53:46 GMT -5
Pretty much a Bond movie with a trippy third act.
Liked it, didn't love it. It was inventive and interesting though.
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Post by Fanible on Sept 1, 2020 3:36:00 GMT -5
I'm glad I read some of the stuff about the audio mix. I would have probably blamed the theater for a poor sound system.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Sept 1, 2020 17:06:37 GMT -5
I found a theater in northern California playing this and will be seeing it Thursday.
Fuck. Yes.
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