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Post by Neverending on Sept 3, 2020 10:08:33 GMT -5
I was the biggest critic of Sicario in 2015. That was probably my Joker that year. But it’s a movie I continually go back to. The script is faulty. No doubt. But it’s a masterclass in filmmaking and Villeneuve outdoes Nolan at his own games. I chuckle at PG Cooper saying it’s worse than Blade Runner, a movie plagued with pacing issues. I've never denied that Sicario is well-made, but like Prisoners, Villeneuve is applying the most serious and somber tone to material that isn't nearly as smart it thinks it is. "The world is fucked and to fight monsters you must become a monster". Yawn. You have a film that wants to be this incisive look at the drug wars but also gets a bit of a "fuck yeah" itch in its pants when Benicio del Toro starts murdering drug lords. I’ll take Benicio Del Toro channeling Charles Bronson over Ryan Gosling brooding. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 3, 2020 10:11:08 GMT -5
I was the biggest critic of Sicario in 2015. That was probably my Joker that year. But it’s a movie I continually go back to. The script is faulty. No doubt. But it’s a masterclass in filmmaking and Villeneuve outdoes Nolan at his own games. I chuckle at PG Cooper saying it’s worse than Blade Runner, a movie plagued with pacing issues. I've never denied that Sicario is well-made, but like Prisoners, Villeneuve is applying the most serious and somber tone to material that isn't nearly as smart it thinks it is. "The world is fucked and to fight monsters you must become a monster". Yawn. You have a film that wants to be this incisive look at the drug wars but also gets a bit of a "fuck yeah" itch in its pants when Benicio del Toro starts murdering drug lords. Much as I love Blade Runner 2049, Sicario just does it for me more. Like Neverending said, the filmmaking is superb, it's paced like a motherfucker and the story is gripping no matter if it's "been there, done that." It's certainly also Villenueve's most rewatchable movie.
No matter if I nominate it or someone else does, I'm voting for it.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 3, 2020 10:13:40 GMT -5
It's a bad mystery novel that thinks it's Dostoevsky. The stuff with the hunt for the serial killer with the suitcases full of snakes is completely hokey and putting that alongside this depressing story about a completely unsympathetic asshole torturing a retarded guy is rather distasteful. Were it not for Roger Deakin's cinematography it would be a complete turkey. Mystic River did the same basic story outline (father of murdered daughter goes after the wrong person) much much better. |
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Post by Neverending on Sept 3, 2020 10:15:34 GMT -5
Mystic River did the same basic story outline (father of murdered daughter goes after the wrong person) much much better. I’ll give you that. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 3, 2020 10:15:59 GMT -5
I've never denied that Sicario is well-made, but like Prisoners, Villeneuve is applying the most serious and somber tone to material that isn't nearly as smart it thinks it is. "The world is fucked and to fight monsters you must become a monster". Yawn. You have a film that wants to be this incisive look at the drug wars but also gets a bit of a "fuck yeah" itch in its pants when Benicio del Toro starts murdering drug lords. Much as I love Blade Runner 2049, Sicario just does it for me more. Like Neverending said, the filmmaking is superb, it's paced like a motherfucker and the story is gripping no matter if it's "been there, done that. It's not just an issue of "been there, done that", my objection is the film's position is empty cynicism which feels more like edgy nihilism than something built on real substance. It's that Dirty Harry mentality that the world is a cesspool and only a tough guy with a gun can bring justice. I don't mind that as much in Dirty Harry given its ambitions are more simply to be an action-thriller, but when you masquerade as Traffic you invite bigger scrutiny. |
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Post by Neverending on Sept 3, 2020 10:22:48 GMT -5
It's that Dirty Harry mentality For at least a decade I was in the French Connection > Dirty Harry camp. For a decade now I feel it’s the opposite. I wouldn’t be so dismissive of the “Dirty Harry mentality”. I know it’s popular to hate on cops but the issue isn’t black & white. Also, the best comparison to Sicario would be the TV series 24. Jack Bauer is on par with Jason Bourne in terms of influence. Traffic is the Crash of drug movies. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 3, 2020 10:28:57 GMT -5
Much as I love Blade Runner 2049, Sicario just does it for me more. Like Neverending said, the filmmaking is superb, it's paced like a motherfucker and the story is gripping no matter if it's "been there, done that. It's not just an issue of "been there, done that", my objection is the film's position is empty cynicism which feels more like edgy nihilism than something built on real substance. It's that Dirty Harry mentality that the world is a cesspool and only a tough guy with a gun can bring justice. I don't mind that as much in Dirty Harry given its ambitions are more simply to be an action-thriller, but when you masquerade as Traffic you invite bigger scrutiny. And I have no problem with that when the filmmaking is as great as it is in Sicario. |
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Post by Neverending on Sept 3, 2020 10:33:25 GMT -5
So what about these other movies? What are you people willing to vote for? 25th Hour 28 Days Later 3:10 to Yuma 40-Year-Old Virgin 500 Days of Summer About Schmidt Adventureland Almost Famous American Psycho American Splendor Amores Perros Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford Atonement Before the Devil Knows You're Dead Big Fish Black Hawk Down Borat / Brüno The Bourne Supremacy Burn After Reading Chicago Closer Coraline Crank / Crank: High Voltage The Dreamers Elf Fast Food Nation Find Me Guilty Forgetting Sarah Marshall Frida Ghost World The Good Girl Good Night and Good Luck The Hangover Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle History of Violence Hotel Rwanda Hot Fuzz House of Sand and Fog The Hurt Locker Hustle & Flow I Love You, Man The Incredibles Jarhead Jennifer's Body Juno Kill Bill: Vol. 1 Knocked Up Kung Fu Hustle Let the Right One In Little Children Little Miss Sunshine The Machinist Malena Maria Full of Grace Match Point Mean Girls Memento Million Dollar Baby Minority Report Monster's Ball Moon The Motorcycle Diaries Narc One Hour Photo Ong-Bak: The Thai Warrior Orphan Pan's Labyrinth Paranormal Activity Pineapple Express Precious The Ring Requiem for a Dream Road to Perdition Role Models School of Rock Secretary Sex Drive Sex and Lucía Shaun of the Dead Shrek 2 Sideways Sin City Slumdog Millionaire Spirited Away Step Brothers Sunshine Swimming Pool Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby The Terminal Thank You for Smoking Training Day Tropic Thunder Unfaithful Pixar's Up The Virgin Suicides Wall-E Watchmen The Weather Man Y Tu Mamá También Zack and Miri Make a Porno Zombieland |
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Post by donny on Sept 3, 2020 10:38:55 GMT -5
Blade Runner 2049 is bangin. That is all.
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Post by donny on Sept 3, 2020 10:46:59 GMT -5
So what about these other movies? What are you people willing to vote for? 25th Hour 28 Days Later 40-Year-Old Virgin About Schmidt Almost Famous American Psycho Amores Perros Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford Black Hawk Down Borat / Brüno The Bourne Supremacy/Ultimatum Burn After Reading Forgetting Sarah Marshall Ghost World Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle History of Violence Hot Fuzz The Hurt Locker I Love You, Man The Incredibles Kill Bill: Vol. 1 Let the Right One In Memento Minority Report Moon Narc Pan's Labyrinth Paranormal Activity Pineapple Express Requiem for a Dream Road to Perdition Role Models Shaun of the Dead Spirited Away Step Brothers Sunshine Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Training Day Tropic Thunder The Virgin Suicides Wall-E Y Tu Mamá También I'd support a decent amount of these. Also: Wet Hot American Summer |
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Post by Dracula on Sept 3, 2020 10:51:01 GMT -5
So what about these other movies? What are you people willing to vote for? 25th Hour
28 Days Later 3:10 to Yuma 40-Year-Old Virgin 500 Days of Summer About Schmidt Adventureland Almost Famous American Psycho American Splendor Amores Perros
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Atonement Before the Devil Knows You're Dead Big Fish Black Hawk Down
Borat / Brüno The Bourne Supremacy Burn After Reading
Chicago Closer Coraline Crank / Crank: High Voltage The Dreamers Elf Fast Food Nation Find Me Guilty Forgetting Sarah Marshall Frida Ghost World The Good Girl Good Night and Good Luck The Hangover Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle History of Violence
Hotel Rwanda Hot Fuzz House of Sand and Fog The Hurt Locker Hustle & Flow I Love You, Man The Incredibles Jarhead Jennifer's Body Juno Kill Bill: Vol. 1
Knocked Up Kung Fu Hustle Let the Right One In Little Children Little Miss Sunshine The Machinist Malena Maria Full of Grace Match Point Mean Girls MementoMillion Dollar Baby Minority Report
Monster's Ball Moon The Motorcycle Diaries Narc One Hour Photo Ong-Bak: The Thai Warrior Orphan Pan's Labyrinth (Already on the list)Paranormal Activity Pineapple Express Precious The Ring Requiem for a Dream Road to Perdition Role Models School of Rock Secretary Sex Drive Sex and Lucía Shaun of the Dead Shrek 2 SidewaysSin City Slumdog Millionaire Spirited Away Step Brothers Sunshine Swimming Pool Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby The Terminal Thank You for Smoking Training Day Tropic Thunder Unfaithful Pixar's Up The Virgin Suicides Wall-E (Already on the List)Watchmen The Weather Man Y Tu Mamá También
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Post by Dracula on Sept 3, 2020 10:55:25 GMT -5
Actually, I might be getting that mixed up with the other thread. |
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Post by donny on Sept 3, 2020 11:27:13 GMT -5
How many people have voted thus far?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 3, 2020 11:30:13 GMT -5
How many people have voted thus far? Still waiting on SnoBorderZero. And if IanTheCool would like to vote, now's the time. |
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Post by Neverending on Sept 3, 2020 11:32:24 GMT -5
How many people have voted thus far? Still waiting on SnoBorderZero. And if IanTheCool would like to vote, now's the time. What’s the tally? |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 3, 2020 12:39:26 GMT -5
Gone Girl - 5 The Irishman - 5 Observe and Report - 5 Y tu Mama Tambien - 5 Black Swan - 4 Cloud Atlas - 3 Get Out - 3
Midnight in Paris - 3 Phantom Thread - 3 Arrival - 2 A History of Violence - 2 The Conjuring - 2
Everything else - 1 or 0.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 3, 2020 12:42:44 GMT -5
Guess I'm gonna have to watch Observe and Report.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 3, 2020 12:44:52 GMT -5
Guess I'm gonna have to watch Observe and Report. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. |
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Post by thebtskink on Sept 3, 2020 12:46:56 GMT -5
So what about these other movies? What are you people willing to vote for? 25th Hour28 Days Later 3:10 to Yuma 40-Year-Old Virgin 500 Days of Summer About Schmidt Adventureland Almost Famous American PsychoAmerican Splendor Amores Perros Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert FordAtonement Before the Devil Knows You're Dead Big Fish
Black Hawk DownBorat / Brüno The Bourne Supremacy Burn After ReadingChicago Closer Coraline Crank / Crank: High Voltage The Dreamers - lol, fuck noElf Fast Food Nation Find Me Guilty Forgetting Sarah Marshall Frida Ghost World The Good Girl Good Night and Good Luck The Hangover Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle History of Violence
Hotel RwandaHot FuzzHouse of Sand and Fog The Hurt Locker Hustle & Flow I Love You, Man
The Incredibles Jarhead Jennifer's Body JunoKill Bill: Vol. 1
Knocked Up Kung Fu Hustle
Let the Right One In
Little Children Little Miss Sunshine
The Machinist Malena Maria Full of Grace Match Point Mean Girls Memento
Million Dollar Baby
Minority Report
Monster's Ball MoonThe Motorcycle Diaries Narc One Hour Photo Ong-Bak: The Thai Warrior Orphan Pan's Labyrinth
Paranormal Activity Pineapple Express Precious The Ring Requiem for a Dream
Road to Perdition Role Models
School of Rock Secretary Sex Drive Sex and Lucía Shaun of the Dead
Shrek 2 Sideways Sin City Slumdog Millionaire
Spirited Away
Step Brothers SunshineSwimming Pool Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby The Terminal Thank You for Smoking Training Day
Tropic Thunder
Unfaithful Pixar's Up
The Virgin Suicides
Wall-E Watchmen
The Weather Man Y Tu Mamá También
Zack and Miri Make a Porno Zombieland |
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Post by Dracula on Sept 3, 2020 12:49:01 GMT -5
Guess I'm gonna have to watch Observe and Report. It's doing some interesting things and has some memorable moments, but it's also kind of a mess with a rather inconsistent tone. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 3, 2020 12:52:26 GMT -5
So what about these other movies? What are you people willing to vote for? Pan's Labyrinth Y Tu Mamá También Already on the list, and is a lock to get on in this round. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Sept 3, 2020 16:32:01 GMT -5
Black Swan
Phantom Thread
Moonlight
Y Tu Mama Tambien
Gone Girl
The Irishman
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