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Post by Dracula on Sept 28, 2020 11:48:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you're in the clear. Even Crystal Skull and Always don't hit the depths of 1941. Although Always is another one of those movies that frequently makes you go 'oh, so you decided to go with that choice huh?' I’d argue that Always is worse than 1941 since it’s totally forgettable whereas 1941 is a memorable disaster. I'd argue there's a late career film that's plainly worse than both of them... Doomsday is very familiar with it... not that he's at fault.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 28, 2020 11:58:07 GMT -5
I’d argue that Always is worse than 1941 since it’s totally forgettable whereas 1941 is a memorable disaster. I'd argue there's a late career film that's plainly worse than both of them... Doomsday is very familiar with it... not that he's at fault. And that's exactly the one I think poses the most threat of de-throning 1941.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2020 12:05:29 GMT -5
there's a late career film that's plainly worse than both of them... Doomsday is very familiar with it... not that he's at fault. And that's exactly the one I think poses the most threat of de-throning 1941. The BFG? It's lesser Spielberg but has enough charm to stand apart from 1941 and Always. I'd put Tintin in that category too.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 28, 2020 12:10:04 GMT -5
there's a late career film that's plainly worse than both of them... Doomsday is very familiar with it... not that he's at fault. And that's exactly the one I think poses the most threat of de-throning 1941. The BFG? It's lesser Spielberg but has enough charm to stand apart from 1941 and Always. I'd put Tintin in that category too. It's a ghastly cacophony of terrible ideas, bad jokes, uncanny valley visual effects, and general pointlessness. I at least get what Spielberg was going for with 1941 and think some of the sets and effects are interestingly executed and Always is mostly just guilty of mediocrity and would probably be better liked if it didn't need to live up to Spielberg's standards... The BFG by contrast is largely devoid of redeeming qualities IMO.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2020 12:12:27 GMT -5
It's a ghastly cacophony of terrible ideas, bad jokes, uncanny valley visual effects, and general pointlessness. I at least get what Spielberg was going for with 1941 and think some of the sets and effects are interestingly executed and Always is mostly just guilty of mediocrity and would probably be better liked if it didn't need to live up to Spielberg's standards... The BFG by contrast is largely devoid of redeeming qualities IMO. It's a good argument for 1941, but there's nothing remotely interesting about Always. If it weren't a Spielberg movie, it would have been lost to time.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 28, 2020 12:28:34 GMT -5
The BFG? It's lesser Spielberg but has enough charm to stand apart from 1941 and Always. I'd put Tintin in that category too. It's a ghastly cacophony of terrible ideas, bad jokes, uncanny valley visual effects, and general pointlessness. I at least get what Spielberg was going for with 1941 and think some of the sets and effects are interestingly executed and Always is mostly just guilty of mediocrity and would probably be better liked if it didn't need to live up to Spielberg's standards... The BFG by contrast is largely devoid of redeeming qualities IMO. Yeah. The sets, effects and the craftsmanship of the action in general during the dance club scene and the last hour are what keep 1941 from dipping into half-a-star territory, cause believe me, the humor was that dumb.
I said it earlier in this thread, but I mostly didn't mind The BFG when I first saw it. However, that was more to do with nostalgia from the book during my elementary school years. I strongly suspect my opinion of it will go down upon a re-watch.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 28, 2020 12:36:31 GMT -5
The BFG? It's lesser Spielberg but has enough charm to stand apart from 1941 and Always. I'd put Tintin in that category too. It's a ghastly cacophony of terrible ideas, bad jokes, uncanny valley visual effects, and general pointlessness. I at least get what Spielberg was going for with 1941 and think some of the sets and effects are interestingly executed and Always is mostly just guilty of mediocrity and would probably be better liked if it didn't need to live up to Spielberg's standards... The BFG by contrast is largely devoid of redeeming qualities IMO. Oh how immensely wrong you are.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 28, 2020 12:42:52 GMT -5
It's a ghastly cacophony of terrible ideas, bad jokes, uncanny valley visual effects, and general pointlessness. I at least get what Spielberg was going for with 1941 and think some of the sets and effects are interestingly executed and Always is mostly just guilty of mediocrity and would probably be better liked if it didn't need to live up to Spielberg's standards... The BFG by contrast is largely devoid of redeeming qualities IMO. Oh how immensely wrong you are. When I saw that in theaters, I thought, "I never thought I'd see a Spielberg film where there'd be an emphasis on fart jokes." And then, last week, I saw 1941, which had a sequence about Japanese troops waiting for a laxative they fed a guy to take effect.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 28, 2020 12:57:10 GMT -5
When I saw that in theaters, I thought, "I never thought I'd see a Spielberg film where there'd be an emphasis on fart jokes." But the dogs farted too. Get it?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 28, 2020 13:00:13 GMT -5
When I saw that in theaters, I thought, "I never thought I'd see a Spielberg film where there'd be an emphasis on fart jokes." But the dogs farted too. Get it? Ingenious!
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 28, 2020 16:33:54 GMT -5
Phantom inspired me to finally watch 1941. I wanted to type a couple things but it all flowed so well after that I l just let it all out.
1941
Sometimes the worst movies are the ones that you can write so much about. Look at Honest Trailers for example. The best ones they do are for the really crappy movies, whenever they try to riff on a good one it always falls flat because they have to stretch to find material. Sometimes it takes a few years for a movie to settle into its proper camp but for 1941 it took a few years along with the rise in prominence of its filmmaker. For a while 1941 had been the only Steven Spielberg feature that I had yet to see but because of its reputation it was on my list of 'movies to see at some point before I die' rather than being on my short list. After Phantom got this thread going though I thought it was time to finally see what all the fuss was about. Boy, where to even begin.
I'll start with the structure of the movie. There's a reason I'm starting here which I'll explain further. I don't know if the movie was trying to emulate other war films like The Longest Day but 1941 has what feels like an infinite number of characters across an equal number of settings. Naturally in doing this we don't get to know or understand any of the characters and we just watch as several almost unrelated events play out on screen. Some of the motivations are paper thin at best and nonexistent at worst. Simply put there's not much of an interwoven story here and there's little to connect any of the characters outside of the idea that the Japanese are launching an attack on Hollywood in the days after Pearl Harbor. You can tell they worked from a big, fat script that's equally hollow and lacking any substance. This doesn't bode well for any war movie, even one that attempts to overlap genres. It's trying to emulate/parody other war films but there's too much missing for anything in the story to work.
Now the reason I brought that up is because the problems that I listed above are much more forgivable in a comedy. There's that suspension of disbelief that makes your critiquing of the movie get pushed to the side somewhat when watching a comedy but therein lies the main, primary problem with 1941 that we already know all about. It's just not funny. It's not funny at all. In any way. There are almost zero laughs throughout the entire movie and I think that opens up the conversation of why the comedy aspect failed so badly. Part of the reason I think is because there was the idea that if they put in enough funny people that will help carry the movie. That right there is a problem because one lesson that Hollywood keeps learning time and again is that a stacked cast alone can't carry a two hour comedy film. We should all know that by now but it hasn't seemed to register with filmmakers even to this day. For every great comedy movie we all love and cherish there are 80 bland, unfunny and forgettable comedies that are churned out through the 'this is funny, right?' meat grinder. John Belushi for example is unquestionably a funny performer but he completely fails here because he isn't given anything to do other than yell and trip over things. That's not his fault, his zaniness and lack of script just weren't a good fit. That brings out the next problem; it's a 'comedy' that doesn't know what kind of comedy it wants to be. Aside from every single joke falling flat, there are attempts at physical comedy and slapstick humor, sexual puns and parodying other films. These days directors like to go with the 'improv' approach where they just let the camera roll and yell at the actors 'be funny.' Sometimes it hits, oftentimes it misses very, very big. I don't think that was really as common back in those days if only because they printed on actual film stock which cost money rather than shooting digital for hours on end but you can tell that 1941 is very scripted and that the comedians here were going by the book rather than being cut lose. I could be wrong but that's just the sense that I got while watching. 1941 tries to cover all bases and sometimes those choices are extremely questionable. There's a big scene where Army and Navy servicemen fight during a Jitterbug dance off. Spielberg thought it would be clever to play the theme from The Quiet Man over the entire fight sequence, even when cutting back to it from other scenes. The Quiet Man, a movie that was almost 30 years old by the time 1941 came out, has a famous fight scene for a climax so he probably thought slugging that theme in there (no pun intended) was a clever pull. You know, for the old folks in the audience. Whatever. Slim Pickens also has a scene where he's captured by the Japanese sailors and he goes off listing all the items he had in his pocket, another send off of his much funnier and more famous scene from Dr. Strangelove. Then he tries to poo stuff out of his butt. Haha! And that leads into maybe the greatest, most well known issue of the film; Spielberg's self-perception.
I think it's an understatement to say that it takes some balls to parody your own hit movie that was released only a few years prior however that's exactly what Spielberg does. It might have seemed like a good idea at the time, maybe some viewers thought it was self-deprecating but we all know that wasn't really the case. We open on a naked woman running on a beach and swimming in the ocean by herself (apparently she's the same actress from Jaws which admittedly is kind of cool). Instead of getting eaten by a shark though she finds herself on a Japanese submarine and is quickly being eyeballed by a randy Japanese sailor. Right out the gate you get the sense that hubris played a big part in the approach to this production. At this point in his career Spielberg wasn't quite a novice, after all he was riding high on the huge success of Jaws and Close Encounters, but he was still a young man. I think most people who more or less conquered Hollywood at that age would probably let that success get the better of them. As Spielberg is an admitted World War II buff and son of a veteran (who actually just passed away a couple weeks ago unfortunately), he probably thought that he could knock a comedy out of the park like he did with the horror and sci-fi genres. As we all know that didn't turn out quite the way he liked and his career really did take a hit. It makes you wonder at what point in the production they knew it was all going wrong. The movie itself seems to give up at a point and eschews obvious sex puns and slapstick for wanton destruction. Things explode, people punch each other, airplanes crash, stupid people shoot anti-aircraft guns through their own houses, and it's all so boring and exhausting. It's a movie that at no point knows what it wants to be or how it intends to entertain on even a basic level. At every point it just fails over and over and over again.
When I was initially tracking this movie down I discovered that an extended version was recently released with over a half hour of additional footage. What could that footage possibly be that would improve upon the movie? It would be like adding an extra mile to the swim for someone escaping from Alcatraz and saying 'Enjoy!'
And for anyone keeping score, Hook is 10x better than 1941 and I think that's a conservative estimate.
D so says Doomsday. This is unquestionably Steven Spielberg's worst film and if it's any consolation to Phantom at least he won't have to wallow in these depths again.
Also, we all know that Hollywoodland didn't get taken out by a drunken John Belushi. It was Neville Sinclair when he exploded into a fireball and crashed Howard Hughes' rocket into the sign, that's common knowledge.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 28, 2020 17:58:16 GMT -5
You went much deeper into the problems than I did, but that's just a mark of an excellent review!
I intended to bring up how the original cut was somehow a half hour longer, but I guess that just got lost in the shuffle of the myriad of shit that this movie is.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 2, 2020 14:32:16 GMT -5
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981)
To say that Raiders of the Lost Ark is a great action-adventure film and a staple of the genre would be underselling it. This is just an all-around great film in general, one which has no pretensions about itself and gets the job done in the best way possible. This film doesn’t rely on themes or any sort of running commentary to be successful -- though, if you look at it more closely, you will find some interesting ones; more on that in a bit -- instead, it focuses on action, excitement and characters — all of which are first-rate. It never gets dull, either, because director Steven Spielberg and his team always have something up their sleeves that ensures every scene in this film be entertaining. Nowadays, people like to use the excuse of “popcorn movies” to justify an action film’s brainlessness (and I myself have been guilty of that more than once), but Raiders of the Lost Ark proves that even when your movie seems to have a very simplistic approach, imagination channeled into creating compelling characters and riveting situations is still key. As the saying goes, there is a method to the madness.
Now, I've already written a full review for this film years ago for PG Cooper's movie blog, and I'll borrow some points/paragraphs from that, but also try to hit on some newer points. First of all, let's start with the issue that's come up in recent years that states Indy himself really has no bearing on the outcome on the plot. To a degree, such an argument can be made: without him, one can reason that the Nazis would've eventually found the Ark, opened it and still died. However, there is one caveat to that: it's only because of Indy that the Americans get the Ark for themselves and successfully keep it out of the hands of the Germans, thereby potentially saving countless lives. But so. What? To get hung up on such a silly issue would be to ignore the level of craftsmanship on display here. First of all, this movie has such tight pacing, that every time I watch it, I always marvel at things like, "Wow, we're at the discovery of the Ark already?" or the same for the big truck chase. Lawrence Kasdan's script is incredibly well-constructed on a story and character level, but also at weaving in the action scenes.
Steven Spielberg knows how the game is played when it comes to this particular area, and he makes sure that every second of the action in this movie is exciting. He stages some really clever and intense sequences, and never has them feel stale or obligatory. But the one thing Spielberg does here that I enjoy most, and continues throughout the other films in the series, is that he finds ways to cleverly weave in humor in the middle of the action. Right away, the famous “gun vs. sword” scene comes to mind, but there are other instances like that, particularly during the big truck chase in the second act. Take, for example, moments like Indy grinning mischievously before he bumps into the motorbike vehicle while commandeering the truck, or the laugh he and that one Nazi briefly share at the Arab falling on the hood of the truck for a moment before he decks said Nazi. Or even Indy trying the classic "What's that on the ground?" fake-out right before the brawl with the big thuggish Nazi on the airfield. All of these moments of humor are obviously quite funny, but the brilliant thing about them is that they never feel forced or out of place. In fact, all the humor helps make this film that much more entertaining. But really, the action scenes here kick all kinds of ass.
Then, you've got the colorful cast of characters surrounding Indy that are equally as compelling as he is. Karen Allen is a just as strong-willed character, and certainly not content to being designated the damsel in distress. Even when she’s captured by the bad guys, Marion is plotting about how to get away instead of simply waiting for Indy to swoop in and save her; she can more than handle herself, even when it appears the chips are down. In terms of all the female characters we see throughout the course of this series, Marion is hands down the best. John Rhys-Davies makes for a really entertaining sidekick with his character of Sullah, bringing a good amount of humor to the movie, but not too much. Then there’s Paul Freeman, who is a really good villain here, full of slime and sniveling charm, yet clearly smart and calculating; in other words, a very worthy adversary for Indy because as Belloq himself points out at one moment in the film, Indy isn’t so far off from him when all is said and done. What a solid cast of characters this movie has.
But as many others have pointed out over the years, Raiders of the Lost Ark has more going on underneath its surface than just being a brilliantly-executed action movie. So, the conflict of this movie sees a character actively fighting against the Nazis and ultimately getting the better of them -- and rather viciously at that. When one considers the fact that Steven Spielberg himself is Jewish, that aspect takes on a more interesting shade. In this movie, the Nazis are going after a Jewish artifact to use for their own nefarious purposes, but ultimately, they're brutally killed by that very same Jewish artifact once they try to harness its power. Raiders of the Lost Ark: subtle Jewish revenge fantasy. That's certainly an angle I never associated with this movie before I heard about it, but now, it's hard not to see it. Just another way in which this movie rules.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is a movie that earns its place among the stone cold classics. From the numerous iconic scenes/moments, the colorful and memorable characters, the iconic score, etc., there are many reasons why this has endured as a hallmark of action/adventure cinema and remains a masterpiece in the filmography of a director whose most significant achievements are just as impressive in their own right.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 2, 2020 14:34:29 GMT -5
Now, I've already written a full review for this film years ago for PG Cooper's movie blog, R.I.P.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 2, 2020 14:37:03 GMT -5
Now, I've already written a full review for this film years ago for PG Cooper 's movie blog, R.I.P. Gone, but not forgotten.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 2, 2020 18:54:36 GMT -5
Forgot to include this as part of my review:
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 4, 2020 23:31:59 GMT -5
Raiders is my #2 all-time favorite movie so there's nothing bad I can say about it. I've seen it 4 or 5 times in theaters and would do so again in a heartbeat.
Indy 5 though, I'd be shocked if they ever get that off the ground at this point. Good riddance I think.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 5, 2020 0:45:23 GMT -5
Raiders is my #2 all-time favorite movie so there's nothing bad I can say about it. I've seen it 4 or 5 times in theaters and would do so again in a heartbeat. Back in 2012 when Raiders was re-released in IMAX, I was priming to go...until a family health scare promptly pushed that to the side. Everything worked out there with the health concern, fortunately, but I still regret missing out on Raiders just a little.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 15, 2020 12:29:31 GMT -5
To tie in with the Halloween season...
POLTERGEIST (1982)
You may or may not be wondering why I’m choosing to cover Poltergeist in this series devoted to the films of Steven Spielberg. Well, given the...controversy of sorts surrounding the authorship of this movie, I thought it was only prudent to include it regardless. Now, whether or not I believe said controversy...we’ll get to that in a minute.
Poltergeist is pretty much your standard haunted house story in which a family is terrorized relentlessly by malicious spirits, and it’s also a movie where it’s easy to see Steven Spielberg’s fingerprints all over it. You see, after the success of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Spielberg wanted to do a more horror-tinged follow-up called Night Skies, wherein aliens terrorize a family on a farm. There was one problem, however: at the time, he was currently committed to other projects -- specifically E.T., which his contract for forbade him from directing another film simultaneously. So, he approached Tobe Hooper, director of films such as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Hooper agreed to handle Night Skies, but with one caveat: turn the aliens into ghosts. Spielberg agreed, set to work on the new script himself, and thus Poltergeist was born.
So, how is Poltergeist? It’s a solidly-constructed, well-told ghost story with lots of Spielberg hallmarks thrown in that help boost it. For instance, the family at the center of the film is portrayed in a kind of Spielbergian fashion, with the sense of closeness that was glimpsed in movies such as Jaws and the rare warm family scenes in Close Encounters. The fact that Spielberg’s script develops these characters so strongly goes a long way in ensuring that we’re properly invested in them when the poltergeist attacks start to happen. There’s a proper amount of build-up at the beginning, too; not so much as to make the movie tedious, but just enough to get you attached to these people. In fact, that build-up does a stronger job of establishing the characters than it does instilling a truly palpable sense of dread, which leads me into the horror aspect of this movie.
Just how scary is Poltergeist? Honestly...I’d say not very. But does that mean I think it fails in what it sets out to do? Not at all. The scare sequences themselves are well-done from a directing point of view -- Tobe Hooper certainly knows how to stage everything effectively -- but the movie showcases an over-reliance on special effects in those same sequences that sort of take away from some of the impact they ultimately have. By emphasizing special effects when it comes to showing the ghosts and whatnot, the film loses some of the dread that’s sort of inherent in the classic haunted house stories, which is essentially what Poltergeist is. The movie has glimpses of a darker edge, most notably the scene in which one of the paranormal investigators is “treated” to a vision of his face melting/decaying horrifically, and that’s perhaps the most effective special effect in the film. But coming from the director of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, it’s hard not to look at Poltergeist and wish it was a bit more low-key in portraying the spirits. But on the other hand, as others have pointed out, this movie can be considered sort of a gateway horror film for those looking to maybe dip their toes into the genre, and in that respect, it works. It may sound like I’m coming down hard on this movie, but I don’t mean to. Cause while some of the execution may come across overly Hollywood-ized, the truth is Poltergeist is still an effective horror movie.
So, who really deserves credit for it? Tobe Hooper or Steven Spielberg? You know what, I think I’ll take the diplomatic answer and say both. From everything I read up on about this movie, both men were involved with this film every step of the way, as sort of Co-Captains. Poltergeist very much seems like Steven Spielberg’s baby, and even if his name isn’t under the Directed by credit, he still very much had a heavy creative hand in it. By all accounts, he was there on set all of, if not most of the time, and he and Tobe Hooper collaborated very closely on the film. In fact, John Leonetti, brother of Poltergeist director Matt Leonetti, and who he himself was a camera assistant on the film and thus on set every day, is quoted in one article on Bloody Disgusting as saying:
“Hooper was so nice and just happy to be there. He creatively had input. Steven developed the movie, and it was his to direct, except there was anticipation of a director’s strike, so he was “the producer” but really he directed it in case there was going to be a strike and Tobe was cool with that. It wasn’t anything against Tobe. Every once in a while, he would actually leave the set and let Tobe do a few things just because. But really, Steven directed it.”
Poltergeist is even edited by Michael Kahn, Spielberg’s longtime editor, and it’s tough to believe Spielberg himself wasn’t intimately involved with the film’s post-production if the stories about the filming are to be believed.
So, again, I think Poltergeist can be attributed to both directors. I mean, there are a number of films nowadays that have two credited directors on them, so even if it was unofficial, it’s not that hard to believe the same thing happened with this film. It does feel like the blending together of two distinct voices, even if one may be louder than the other. But ultimately, when looking at the careers of both directors, Poltergeist is an important movie to consider, no matter what you think about who deserves credit for it.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 15, 2020 12:46:56 GMT -5
To tie in with the Halloween season... POLTERGEIST (1982)
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 15, 2020 13:42:10 GMT -5
Just how scary is Poltergeist? Honestly...I’d say not very. But does that mean I think it fails in what it sets out to do? Not at all. The scare sequences themselves are well-done from a directing point of view -- Tobe Hooper certainly knows how to stage everything effectively -- but the movie showcases an over-reliance on special effects in those same sequences that sort of take away from some of the impact they ultimately have. By emphasizing special effects when it comes to showing the ghosts and whatnot, the film loses some of the dread that’s sort of inherent in the classic haunted house stories, which is essentially what Poltergeist is. The movie has glimpses of a darker edge, most notably the scene in which one of the paranormal investigators is “treated” to a vision of his face melting/decaying horrifically, and that’s perhaps the most effective special effect in the film. Also a point I will be addressing as I mostly agree.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 15, 2020 13:42:11 GMT -5
Night Skies and E.T. are the same project. Poltergeist is based on Spielberg’s childhood fears. The tree. The clown under the bed. All real nightmares Spielberg had as a kid.
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