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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 27, 2020 20:11:36 GMT -5
Yeah, if the movie pops up on Netflix or something I'll give it a look, but I don't wanna pay. Kind of the opposite, but I recently watched Infernal Affairs for the first time and it kinda sucked? Gave me a whole new appreciation for The Departed, which really is the ideal remake of taking a wasted premise and doing it well. Probably a video to be made from that too, but then I gotta buy the Blu-Ray for the footage so maybe not. I watched Infernal Affairs on DVD about a year before The Departed and thought "that was alright" and didn't really think about it again until The Departed came out. I think my expectations had been kind of skewed because its poster had proudly proclaimed "the best Hong Kong thriller since John Woo" and I had expected it to be more of an action movie. Had been meaning to revisit it, but probably won't. There are tons of people who stand by it and insist it's better than The Departed though, both then and now, so if you do something like that you should probably tread carefully. Noted. I actually scanned some Letterboxd reviews and was stunned by how many people held that position. I guess it's cooler to like the foreign language original than the star-studded Hollywood remake, but it's like night and day. Infernal Affairs is all plot and lacks all the fun character and personality of Scorsese's movie and also isn't really enough of an action movie either. It's just kinda boring and sloppy.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 27, 2020 22:26:04 GMT -5
Infernal Affairs is a good 50-60 minutes shorter than The Departed and Departed uses that time to flush out the characters and make it more dramatic than just a frantic cop movie. That said Infernal Affairs has the better ending of the two. It cuts out at the funeral with Matt Damon's character knowing that he lost everything instead of Departed's cheesy Hollywood ending and eye-gougingly awful CGI rat.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 27, 2020 22:39:22 GMT -5
Infernal Affairs is a good 50-60 minutes shorter than The Departed and Departed uses that time to flush out the characters and make it more dramatic than just a frantic cop movie. That said Infernal Affairs has the better ending of the two. It cuts out at the funeral with Matt Damon's character knowing that he lost everything instead of Departed's cheesy Hollywood ending and eye-gougingly awful CGI rat. Naw, The Departed's ending is better. The irony of the pomp and circumstance celebration vs. the anonymous and dirty murder is good fun. The rat's a little on the noise but whatever. You are right that The Departed's extra runtime makes all the difference though.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 28, 2020 0:39:08 GMT -5
Eh, I don't give it that much credit. I think they just wanted to give the audience closure by killing him off whereas Infernal Affairs left the character to live with the consequences of his actions.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 28, 2020 0:42:42 GMT -5
Eh, I don't give it that much credit. I think they just wanted to give the audience closure by killing him off whereas Infernal Affairs left the character to live with the consequences of his actions. I don't disagree that is was mostly there to provide closure, but I think that closure works better. Infernal Affairs works better in theory, but in practice the characters are so flat that one having to live with consequences carries little dramatic weight. Damon doing his best to weasel out only to find himself cornered works a lot better.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 28, 2020 0:53:05 GMT -5
Well FINE!
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Post by Neverending on Sept 2, 2020 7:18:14 GMT -5
5-minute mark they talk about 1941 Some archival footage for you, Mr. PG Cooper. You should credit me as your researcher.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 12, 2020 13:11:21 GMT -5
JAWS (1975)
Jaws, aka the film that truly put Steven Spielberg on the map. And in many ways, jumpstarted the idea of the summer blockbuster. This is a movie that has been discussed and praised so much by now, that I don't feel like I need to go into that much detail here as to why it's so awesome, and awesome it is. This movie allowed Spielberg to take the basic blueprint of Duel, and use it again. But instead of the open road, we have the open ocean. And instead of an 18-wheeler gas tank truck, we have a big-ass shark. Also, much like Duel, Jaws makes splendid use out of its simple premise. The movie notoriously had a troubled production where almost nothing seemed to go right for very long, but that's certainly not reflected in the final product, which flows so damn smoothly. At its heart, Jaws is most definitely a classic B-movie, but it has a number of elements which elevate it past that. First and foremost, you've got the characters. Spielberg wisely recognizes here that if you don't care about the people going up against and trying not to be eaten by the shark, then what is it all for? Fortunately, Jaws is anchored (no pun intended) by three great characters: Chief Brody (Roy Scheider), Hooper (Richard Dreyfuss) and Quint (Robert Shaw). All three of these guys are brought vividly to life by the actors and by Spielberg and the screenplay. All of them work in tandem to make sure our interest stays firmly in place in-between all of the shark attacks. Individually, each of these men are interesting and compelling, but when the movie puts them together on a boat for the second half, things just get that much better as we see the clash of personalities, but also a camaraderie that develops between these men. The scene at night where Hooper and Shaw compare scars before Shaw goes into recounting a harrowing past experience he had with surviving a shark is the highlight in that regard. Seeing these guys bond and try to survive together is great stuff. But, of course, there’s also the action/spectacle component, which is just as strong. As already mentioned, Jaws had a well-documented hell of a production, mostly boiling down to the simple fact that the mechanical shark simply wouldn’t work the majority of the time. But, this turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as it allowed Spielberg to get creative with the way he executed the shark scenes. For the first 2/3rds of the film, we really don’t see the creature in full – again, because of the technical issues – but that just served to make the attack scenes that much more terrifying. Instead of showing us the shark every time, Spielberg utilizes arguably more effective methods. From the ways in which he cleverly takes advantage of fake-outs (a false fin in the water, a swimmer coming up to surprise another person) to how he establishes ominous events that happen in the middle of everything, i.e. the disappearing dog. These work tremendously because they put you in the center of the confusion, uncertainty, fear and the ultimate resulting chaos of a shark attack without having to rely on how good the shark looks when it comes out of the water. Although, when it finally does, it is rather convincing. I can’t help but think if the mechanical shark had worked as well as intended, then maybe the final product wouldn’t have been as effective as it is? Also, as a sidenote, Jaws is a movie that, in 2020, feels all the more relevant. I mean, you’ve got a significant side character – the Mayor of Amity – who’s insistent on keeping day to day operations when it comes to summer beach-going running, even in the face of a serious/significant threat to the safety of the public. Sound familiar? So, all in all, Jaws is a great movie that’s able to elevate itself past its more simple roots. That’s owed to Steven Spielberg, who was able to take every problem thrown at him during production and craft the first and arguably one of the most influential movies in the conversation about summer blockbusters. The high praise is most definitely justified.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 12, 2020 13:18:32 GMT -5
Jaws is a movie that, in 2020, feels all the more relevant. Yeah, dawg. We know. Where you been the last 6 months?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 12, 2020 13:24:49 GMT -5
Jaws is a movie that, in 2020, feels all the more relevant. Yeah, dawg. We know. Where you been the last 6 months? Just pointing it out once again. It would've felt wrong not to.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 12, 2020 19:51:32 GMT -5
Spielberg harped a number of times on the dolly zoom shot he put into Ready Player One because 'it's so great.' Yeeeeeah I don't think it had quite the same effect that it had on Roy Scheider.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 12, 2020 22:27:30 GMT -5
There was a dolly zoom shot in Ready Player One? More importantly, there was a dolly zoom shot in Ready Player One that Spielberg thought was as good as the one in Jaws???
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Post by Neverending on Sept 12, 2020 23:29:17 GMT -5
There was a dolly zoom shot in Ready Player One? More importantly, there was a dolly zoom shot in Ready Player One that Spielberg thought was as good as the one in Jaws???
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 12, 2020 23:36:18 GMT -5
NE beat me to it. I dunno, there's just something about seeing a dolly zoom in a digital camera that makes it...unimpressive.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 13, 2020 6:06:27 GMT -5
THE SUGARLAND EXPRESS (1974)
Epic poster. Apparently William Atherton is Dennis Reynolds.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 13, 2020 8:58:19 GMT -5
THE SUGARLAND EXPRESS (1974)
Epic poster. Apparently William Atherton is Dennis Reynolds. Haven’t you heard of the W.I.L.L.I.A.M. system?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 13, 2020 12:45:28 GMT -5
There was a dolly zoom shot in Ready Player One? More importantly, there was a dolly zoom shot in Ready Player One that Spielberg thought was as good as the one in Jaws??? If it's there, it's not very obvious.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 13, 2020 14:12:49 GMT -5
If it's there, it's not very obvious. It’s right when the video starts, disregard everything that happens after about the third second in. Sorrento stays the same size in the foreground center frame while the BG zooms out. It’s seriously a weird place to have that type of effect, there’s so much going on, it’s right in the middle of the action and it doesn’t really hold any significance. There were several other places in the movie where it could have worked better.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 13, 2020 14:20:18 GMT -5
Well, that explains it. I was thinking it was going to be a shot related to Mechagodzilla or somebody who was seeing him for the first time. That would've made more sense.
Yeah...definitely an odd and very random place to use it.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 19, 2020 18:43:08 GMT -5
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)
With 1977's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Steven Spielberg elected to continue to hone his blockbuster sensibilities, but in the sense of using them to enhance a more innately human and personal story. Close Encounters is mostly remembered for its sci-fi hook, that of aliens coming down from outer space to communicate with the human race. And yes, that stuff is handled spectacularly, but it's the human component at the center of it all that really makes this thing soar, no pun intended. The main character of the film is Roy Neary (Richard Dreyfuss), an electrical lineman in Indiana who unexpectedly has a close encounter with a UFO one night while out on a job. From there, he becomes obsessed with trying to see it or just any one again, and even becomes haunted, one could say, by the vision of a mysterious shape he can't quite figure out the origin of. This obsession becomes so overpowering that it eventually causes his wife Ronnie (Teri Garr) and his children to leave him. This, in fact, has a basis in reality, because Spielberg was drawing on his experiences with his own parents' divorce. As a result, that aspect of the film feels all the more raw and authentic. Spielberg's own father left his family when the director was young, and this movie is really where you start to notice the theme of fathers and father figures that would come to run throughout most of Spielberg's filmography. The scenes depicting this family unit deteriorating because of Roy's obsession are all the more effective and harrowing because it really does feel like Spielberg is writing from the heart, which he is. It's also one of the elements that gives Close Encounters a kind of darker edge that you don't really remember until you watch it again. On that subject, I can also single out the character of Jillian (Melinda Dillon), a mother whose son has his own close encounter with the aliens and whose life becomes almost nightmarish as a result. Like with the Neary family storyline, Spielberg is able to mine some genuine drama from this, and a lot of it is because of the authentic-feeling anguish Dillon brings to her performance. But, also...let's talk briefly about the second scene in which Jillian's son, Barry, encounters the aliens. This time, it takes place at their home, but the scene has a decidedly more sinister quality, as Spielberg directs it like something out a horror film, and this is where you see the same filmmaker who made Jaws and Duel. Point being, Spielberg knows when and how to ratchet up the drama here when the story requires it. So when the Third Act comes along, the sense of wonder and awe and youthful yearning for discovering the unknown that had been steadily building throughout the rest of the movie feels all the more cathartic. More often than not, when it comes to movies about aliens visiting Earth, they do so with the intention of destroying us. But here, it's to discover and open a line of communication so that we may learn from one another. You see that with the way Roy can't stop smiling when the musical notes are being traded back and forth. It's here where Spielberg captures the youthful innocence he'd also come to be known for. As for the culmination of Roy's arc in the film, it absolutely works, but that's because of how Spielberg handled the family storyline. You can see that it's him trying to deal with his own father leaving by giving the stand-in for his father in the film, Roy, a purpose for leaving. It adds an extra layer to this film that gives this ending a real emotional punch. If Roy had stayed, I don't think it would've worked nearly as well. I feel pretty confident in proclaiming Close Encounters of the Third Kind as one of Steven Spielberg's very best films. As I go through the rest of his filmography, I think that'll hold true. I know I honed in more on the dramatic elements in this review, but the sci-fi ones are fantastic as well -- full of that sense of wonder you'd want from this story. And that's because the human aspect is handled so beautifully. This is a great movie all around.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 19, 2020 18:52:28 GMT -5
Close Encounters is slow & boring, but I like the music and some of the imagery. Spielberg wasn’t a good dramatic director early on. Color Purple also suffers from tonal & pacing issues. The highly underrated Empire of the Sun is the first time that Spielberg started hone his dramatic skills. I say start because Always was a major step backwards. But Empire is really the one that paved the way for Schindler’s List and his career moving forward.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 19, 2020 18:57:48 GMT -5
Close Encounters is slow & boring Couldn't disagree more.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 19, 2020 19:27:04 GMT -5
Yeah I'm with Phantom; Close Encounters is wonderful. The point you make about catharsis is well-stated. Also a fascinating movie about Spielberg coming to grips with his parents divorce.
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