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Post by Knerys on Nov 10, 2014 11:44:44 GMT -5
So he liked it...I think.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 10, 2014 14:24:49 GMT -5
It's not nearly as good as the 1989 Interstellar. I can't believe nobody commented on this. I thought it was gold! Gold, Jerry, gold!
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Post by Knerys on Nov 10, 2014 15:07:00 GMT -5
It's not nearly as good as the 1989 Interstellar. I can't believe nobody commented on this. I thought it was gold! Gold, Jerry, gold! I had no idea what you were talking about.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 10, 2014 19:13:01 GMT -5
Psssst, just pretend it was funny so he shuts up!
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 10, 2014 23:29:48 GMT -5
Hasn't gone up on my blog yet, but I needed to join the discussion...
I’m generally not too fond of the question, “What’s your favourite film genre?” It’s not that I don’t enjoy genres, the problem is I don’t like only selecting one, or limiting films to a type of classification. I’ve seen great films from all kinds of genres, and great films which either can be classified as one thing, or have trouble being classified at all. However when people ask, I tend to answer science-fiction. This is in part because “sci-fi” can be such a broad label. Alien and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, for example, are both science-fiction films, but they have little in common. More importantly, science fiction films have the potential to really explore deep ideas, and there can be a great sense of wonder to these types of films. From the get go, Christopher Nolan’s Interstellar seemed like a film of such ambition. All of the marketing was able to generate awe, and what little I read spoke to the grand goals of the film. Now Interstellar has finally arrived to much hype and anticipation.
In the near future, the Earth begins to lose its ability to sustain human life. Food has become scarce has fewer crops are able to grow and dust storms have become a common problem. Cooper (Matthew McConaughey), a former pilot who is now a farmer, and is a widower and father of two young children. His main goal in life is to provide for them. Through a strange anomaly, Cooper discovers a message giving co-ordinates to a secret facility. This facility turns out to be the remnants of NASA. Led by Professor Brand (Michael Caine), they have a plan to travel through a wormhole near Saturn and explore potentially habitable worlds. That way the human race can survive beyond Earth. Feeling he was led there for a reason, it is decided Cooper should be the one to pilot this mission, accompanying several other scientists including Brand’s daughter Amelia (Anne Hathaway). Cooper is reluctant to go as it means leaving his children, but he is convinced that this is humanity’s last shot at survival. He agrees to leave, which causes great strain on his young daughter Murphy (Mackenzie Foy).
Within the first few minutes of Interstellar, I found myself transfixed. The futuristic vision of Earth alone is wonderful and would have been enough to sustain a film all its own. The brilliance of the future comes from the subtlety of it. At a glance, it really doesn’t look all that different from the contemporary world. But look a little closer and a little longer, and the details start to emerge. The notion of the world collapsing due to a blight which causes a food shortage is a very interesting and realistic idea, as is the way humanity deals with it. Society doesn’t break down and people don’t become violent animals either. Instead, humanity stubbornly continues in denial, unable to accept that extinction may be around the corner. It’s a refreshing take on a dark future which is not dystopic nor utopic. It merely presents humanity doing its best to survive. Once Cooper arrives at NASA, there is some wonderful and inspiring material regarding the possibility of survival amidst the stars. Some interesting plot details are revealed and the story begins to really take form.
Much as I love the material set on Earth, it is once Cooper and the others venture into space that Interstellar truly begins to excel. The details of their voyage are treated in a realistic fashion and I really enjoyed the general exploration. There’s some great stuff regarding where they should travel first and how they should go about it. I really enjoyed the processes depicted and was reminded of Danny Boyle’s criminally underrated film Sunshine. It is in this section that the plot makes several twists and turns, many of which completely change the film, all of which are highly interesting and effective. I won’t say too much, as a lot of the film’s success comes from simply seeing things unfold, but suffice it to say these turns are riveting. The film also isn’t afraid to get very weird and philosophical near the end. I don’t think it works perfectly, but it’s extremely ambitious and unique. Most big-budget blockbusters wouldn’t dare go to such unconventional material, and I applaud the Nolan brothers for having that courage. I should also mention that once the film moves to space there are several exceptional set-pieces. Some of these are exploration based, some are on foot, and some are in space, but all of which are fantastic. Interstellar may be heavy in ideas and philosophy, but those seeking thrills will not be disappointed.
Running through the film are some key emotional storylines. The central one is the relationship between Cooper and his daughter, which works very well. All three actresses who play Murphy (Mackenzie Foy, Jessica Chastain, and Ellen Burstyn) are great and bring an appropriate mix of love, intelligence, and a sense of anger and abandonment to the part. It’s also worth noting that despite being played by three different actresses, the relationship between Murphy and Cooper feels genuine and heartfelt throughout. McConaughey is still riding high and while I doubt he’ll be getting much awards consideration for his work here, he does deliver a very emotional performance and creates a very sympathetic character. The rest of the cast is also very strong and do their part to bring the emotion to the forefront of the film, particularly Anne Hathaway who is up to her usual high standards. I really enjoyed the emotional side of the film and was wrapped up in many of the scenes. Having said that, the film has a tendency to lay things on a little thick. Some of the things it suggests about love in particular is pretty damn silly.
On a technical level, Interstellar is an exceptional achievement. The visual effects are consistently great and made better by the fact that many of the effects were accomplished practically. All of the spaceship material looks great and the way space is shot is very good as well. There’s also some interesting visual material such as the idea of travelling through a worm hole. Additionally, the production design is very impressive. The various ships all look great, the futuristic Earth is subtle but well-realized, and the alien planets are very well designed. Some may be disappointed by how minimal the planets look, but it serves the style of the film and its plot. There’s also some really creative robot designs which serve as homage to the Monolith and HAL from Kubrick’s 2001, while still being effective and unique in their own right. Hans Zimmer also delivers one of the best scores of his career. It’s emotional, at times loud and intense, and most importantly captures the film’s sense of wonder and imagination. It’s also used to brilliant effect.
Many have compared Interstellar to last year’s Gravity, which makes sense given that both are recent films which try to depict space in a mostly realistic and plausible manner. It’s an apt comparison, but in the long run the real comparison is going to be to Inception, Nolan’s first original science fiction film. Of the two, I’d say Inception is clearly the better film as it is more or less perfect. Interstellar certainly isn’t perfect. A few elements don’t really work, there is some clunky dialogue, and Nolan’s better films come together a lot smoother. Having said that, the sheer ambition of Interstellar makes it hard to deny. This is a film bursting with ideas, and one that is impeccably crafted too. No, it’s not perfect, but in its best moments, it’s some of the best cinema I've seen in some time.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 11, 2014 0:18:29 GMT -5
Interesting you bring up the minimalist planets. Sure, it would have been fun to have planets made of unicorns, glitter and rivers of diamonds, but going the realistic route really matched the style of the film. Because, as we are learning, the planets that are really out there are nowhere near as interesting as Earth. They're basically going to be slabs of ice, rock, or gas. Side note, (big spoilers): I loved that the planet chosen at the very end resembled Mars, a bit. Not a coincidence. Just another nod to our current situation in the real world.
Also, Gravity's "science" sucked.
Great review.
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Post by Knerys on Nov 11, 2014 0:41:47 GMT -5
I was going to mention something about the "sparse" planets being truer to form as well. Makes you wonder about all the elements and events that were needed to make Earth habitable.
Nice review.
I also liked the portrayal of this earth. I think it was either Niven or Brin who once said the hardest time period to write about its the near future. Centuries ahead, and almost anything goes and the past can be researched. But writing within 100 years or so of the present, it becomes tricky in which trends you exaggerate or drop and what new elements will fit in with those trends. I though they did a great job here. Even the space modules, which are a little wick to an early prototype of a replacement for the shuttles, felt familiar.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 11, 2014 19:00:02 GMT -5
Heh, I almost mentioned Brin in my review.
And Heinlein was the king of near-future.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 14, 2014 0:42:24 GMT -5
So a lot of people are calling this movie a disappointment. I think it might be in part because Warner Bros. gave up the rights to Friday the 13th and the next South Park movie in order to be able to be a part of Interstellar. www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/christopher-nolans-interstellar-warner-bros-562879?mobile_redirect=falseAlso see "Inception" Box Office take www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=inception.htmWith a nearly 3 hour film rooted strongly in science fiction, and with so many other big movies about to be released. The idea Interstellar, breaks ground and keeps on chumming in money is not looking very likely at this point. Nolan I think will finally need to re-evaluate how he makes films, and he needs to kept checked. Neverending might have been right on this one...
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Post by Deexan on Nov 14, 2014 6:17:42 GMT -5
Agreed. He needs to kept checked big time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:01:49 GMT -5
It must be great to have your career measured by the box office.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 14, 2014 9:59:29 GMT -5
With a nearly 3 hour film rooted strongly in science fiction, and with so many other big movies about to be released. The idea Interstellar, breaks ground and keeps on chumming in money is not looking very likely at this point. Nolan I think will finally need to re-evaluate how he makes films, and he needs to kept checked. Neverending might have been right on this one... Nolan is not at all the problem, the problem is the release date. Warner Bros. should have released this in October two weeks after Gone Girl. Outside of Gone Girl, October was pretty barren and Interstellar could have really left an impact. Look at Gravity last year. It was an October release and a huge hit. Releasing Interstellar directly opposite Disney's Big Hero 6 was a big mistake, especially after the gargantuan hit that was Frozen. Now it also has to deal with Dumb and Dumber To, Mockingjay, and Penguins of Madagascar in the next few weeks. None of this is Nolan's fault. P.S. Good point from Justin.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 14, 2014 19:10:12 GMT -5
So a lot of people are calling this movie a disappointment. I think it might be in part because Warner Bros. gave up the rights to Friday the 13th and the next South Park movie in order to be able to be a part of Interstellar. www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/christopher-nolans-interstellar-warner-bros-562879?mobile_redirect=falseAlso see "Inception" Box Office take www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=inception.htmWith a nearly 3 hour film rooted strongly in science fiction, and with so many other big movies about to be released. The idea Interstellar, breaks ground and keeps on chumming in money is not looking very likely at this point. Nolan I think will finally need to re-evaluate how he makes films, and he needs to kept checked. Neverending might have been right on this one... There are so many errors and mistakes in this post, I don't know what to say.
The last sentence might be the worst one.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 14, 2014 20:41:48 GMT -5
So a lot of people are calling this movie a disappointment. I think it might be in part because Warner Bros. gave up the rights to Friday the 13th and the next South Park movie in order to be able to be a part of Interstellar. www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/christopher-nolans-interstellar-warner-bros-562879?mobile_redirect=falseAlso see "Inception" Box Office take www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=inception.htmWith a nearly 3 hour film rooted strongly in science fiction, and with so many other big movies about to be released. The idea Interstellar, breaks ground and keeps on chumming in money is not looking very likely at this point. Nolan I think will finally need to re-evaluate how he makes films, and he needs to kept checked. Neverending might have been right on this one... So you are saying that a movie's and a director's worth is based on their box office numbers? Yuck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 20:56:49 GMT -5
If Nolan were just kept checked, this could've been avoided.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 15, 2014 2:43:53 GMT -5
As far as a business stand point the film didn't meet expectation.
The risks were very high and WB didn't think it through when it comes down to which target audience would see it and when the release date would be good as PG Cooper mentioned earlier.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the film.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 15, 2014 10:48:33 GMT -5
As far as a business stand point the film didn't meet expectation. The risks were very high and WB didn't think it through when it comes down to which target audience would see it and when the release date would be good as PG Cooper mentioned earlier. This has nothing to do with the quality of the film. You said that Nolan needs to re-evaluate how he makes films. If the film he was is good, then no he doesn't.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 15, 2014 12:10:27 GMT -5
Well the Studio is not going to give him free reign to do whatever he wants. That was my point from that statement. I guess I should have been more clear.
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Post by frankyt on Nov 15, 2014 13:55:55 GMT -5
I doubt that. They will give him anything he wants. They just won't trade properties for them anymore.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2014 1:30:52 GMT -5
Interstellar(11/8/2014)
Warning: This is a no-holds-barred spoiler-filled review that is primarily meant for people who’ve seen the film. Read at your own risk.
The last time I reviewed a Christopher Nolan film I opened with a long-winded music metaphor in which I likened the making of The Dark Knight Rises to Michael Jackson struggling to follow-up his Thriller album and sort of being doomed to disappoint no matter what he did. At the time there was something of a backlash brewing against Nolan and it’s only increased in the intervening years as critics have increasingly come out both against Nolan’s work as well as the various other films that his work seems to have inspired. Now I’m less inclined to compare him to peak-era Michael Jackson and more inclined to compare him to Pete Townshend circa 1978: a man who tried tirelessly to elevate his lowly medium to the level of an opera only to then have his work and everything it represents dismissed and mocked in favor of a wave of engaging but simplistic work made by miscreants. Of course the difference is that as simplistic as punk rock is, it was at least a genuinely rebellious and vital new form, the same cannot generally be said of the jokey and heavily test-screened films that people claim they’d prefer to Nolan’s more serious and grandiose style of blockbuster filmmaking. I mention all this to make it clear that not only am I not part of this backlash but that I pretty actively hate it. I’ve firmly been in the pro-Nolan camp, which is a big part of why I’m fairly disappointed with his latest film, Interstellar.
The film doesn’t give out a year, but it can be intuited that Interstellar is set in a relatively distant future (a good hundred year or so from now, maybe more). This future is not quite post-apocalyptic per se, but it seems like that isn’t far off. There are dust-bowl conditions and we’re told that various crops are being depleted and there seems to no solution in sight. Our focus is on a former engineer/pilot turned farmer named Joseph Cooper (Matthew McConaughey). Cooper’s wife is said to have died years ago so now he and his father-in-law Donald (John Lithgow) have been raising his son Tom (Timothée Chalamet) and daughter Murphy (Mackenzie Foy) on his farm. This all gets upended one day when Cooper learns that NASA is actually still in existence and is asked to help man a mission into the deepest regions of space in order to find a new home for humanity.
In setting up the film, Christopher Nolan makes the conscious choice to give the audience a very limited view of what the future Earth is like. We certainly get the gist of what this slow moving apocalypse is all about, but aren’t given many specifics about exactly why it’s happening or how fast it’s going. In fact we have no idea what Earth is really like outside of the town that Cooper lives near or how this disaster manifests in other areas. On one hand I can kind of see what Nolan was trying to do by rendering the future like this, it certainly a relatively believable version of the future that will probably age pretty well, but I don’t know that it really worked for me. This apocalypse so closely resembles the 1930s dust-bowl (a crisis that was fixed over the course of a decade) that it just never really feels to the viewer like a permenant disaster that would require a drastic space mission to fix. Again, I can intellectually see what they were going for: a gradual apocalypse that snuck up on the populace, but the movie never really shows this, it just tells it.
The problems with the film’s limited geography do go deeper than that as well, mainly in that it requires Nolan to indulge in a fairly ridiculous coincidence in order to kick his story off. The film proper begins when Cooper receives a cryptic set of coordinates from an unseen, possibly alien force which leads him to the secret NASA base where he joins the space mission. Now, I’m perfectly willing to accept the reasons he receives this message, the movie explains that perfectly well. What I’m not so willing to accept is that this secret base just happens to be located within a short drive of Cooper’s farm, that the person running it just happens to be an old professor of his, and that they just happen to be planning to launch that mission very shortly after he arrives. All that is just too much of a stretch and I find the notion that this Cooper guy is such an extraordinary pilot that NASA would drop everything and send him on the mission on such short notice. This is, after all, a massive mission that must have been planned for years and the notion that they’d just change plans like that is a bit ridiculous.
All of that was of course done as a screenwriting shortcut. By making Cooper an outsider Nolan is able to explain to the audience through him what this mission is all about and how long it’s been going on, and Cooper’s status as a last minute recruit is used throughout the film to give the audience exposition. Was this worth it? I don’t think so. Nolan was of course heavily criticized for employing an overabundance of exposition in Inception and I largely defended it in that film because there seemed like legitimate reasons for the characters in that film to be uninformed and the whole thing needs to take place over such a short period of time that it all made sense. Here, not so much. It gets to the point where someone is explaining wormholes to Cooper (using the same folded paper analogy used in the movie Event Horizon) while he’s sitting in a space ship that is about to be going through a wormhole.
Now, the movie does certainly improve in my estimation once they finally escape from rural Americana and finally get into space, but I do still think the movie has flaws in this section as well. In particular I found an early decision to go to a planet that’s so close to the wormhole that it distorts time so that every hour spent on the planet makes seven hours pass on Earth. Given the time pressures of the mission, going to this planet at all seems like a rather absurd idea. The best case scenario in that plan would have resulted in three or four years passing, which strikes me as a rather ridiculous sacrifice to make, and once they get to the planet they don’t seem like they’re rushing nearly fast enough. They walk around on the planet when they should be able to just eyeball it and realize that it’s uninhabitable. For that matter, I don’t really get why they need to be using an away team at all on this mission. Would a probe of some sort not have been able to detect that the planet is almost all water and has twelve story waves crushing everything? Also, if fuel is in such short supply how are they able to keep their mother ship in the air for the twenty three years this side trip apparently takes?
The next planet they go to is probably the most visually interesting location of the movie: a strange icy world with solid clouds. Interesting as this place is, I still kind of feel like the story let me down at this stage. We finally meet Kurtz… er, I mean Mann, and was pretty surprised to see that Matt Damon was in the movie. I don’t know if that had been revealed in the film’s publicity campaign, but I certainly didn’t know it. However, I found the twist that Damon was a deranged turncoat to be pretty predictable and kind of a cliché. In fact, it reminded me a lot of the infamous ending of Danny Boyle’s Sunshine. Of course this movie probably handles the “evil previous astronaut” twist better than that movie did if only because it doesn’t suddenly become a slasher movie, but I still found it a little disappointing.
So far I’ve talked a lot about the various stages of the film, but I think I should take a step back and look at some of its overall components. The film certainly has a pretty well stacked cast with some good work from Anne Hathaway and Jessica Chastain in particular. It was also able to get some pretty cool actors like Casey Affleck, John Lithgow, and Ellen Burstyn into small roles that do fill the movie out nicely. However, there were some weak spots as well. In particular, I found Michael Caine’s presence in the movie rather odd. I commend Nolan for his loyalty, but there are other actors over sixty out there and I don’t think Caine was quite right for this rather gruff role that called for something a little different from what Caine had to offer. And then there’s McConaughey. In the last couple of years Matthew McConaughey has made a lot of inroads into respectability, but we aren’t really getting “McConausiance” McConaughey here. Instead McConaughey is very much in movie star mode, and it was something of a reminder of what that McConaughey’s various limitations and annoying tics were. The guy is a little too laid back at his core, and there’s still a little bit of that “alright, alright, alright” swagger here when I don’t think that was necessarily the best option. I totally get why he was cast but I sort of wish they’d gone a different direction with the character.
This is of course a major blockbuster and there is certainly a good degree of spectacle here to admire. Nolan certainly has a way of avoiding CGI as much as possible and then blending it in seamlessly when it is needed. That said, there have been quite a few hard sci-fi space movies lately and I kind of feel like Interstellar’s impact is kind of dulled because of it. The film has some really interesting planetscapes, but do any of them really compare to Avatar’s Pandora? Or, perhaps a more direct comparison would be to the planetscapes we see in Prometheus, which really weren’t a million miles removed from what we saw here. That movie’s spaceship sets were also probably on par with this as well and so were the spaceships in Sunshine, a movie that also did the whole “desperate mission to save humanity” thing at least as well as this movie did. And the whole “robot companion you think will be evil but isn’t” thing was also done pretty well in Moon. And then of course there is Gravity, which felt like a much bigger visual leap forward than anything in Interstellar and which probably works better as a deep space action film as well. On a pure visual effects level, this kind of feels like a small but noticeable step backwards.
Of course all of these movies live in the shadow of the ultimate realistic space movie: 2001: A Space Odyssey. There probably isn’t a single movie in this genre that’s ever going to live up to Kubrick’s masterpiece, so that’s probably not exactly a fair standard, but Nolan does a lot to invite that comparison. This is, after all a movie about a mission to go through a wormhole that appears near an outer ring gas giant as goaded on by unseen beings who are apparently interested in pushing humanity forward and which culminates in the protagonist in a mysterious room created by said beings where he’ll determine the fate of humanity. Yeah, I don’t think that’s a coincidence. It’s not a flattering comparison because as much as the movie wants to be 2001 it couldn’t be more profoundly different in tone and form. Where Kubrick’s film used mystery to build grandeur, Interstellar feels a lot more conventional and straightforward by comparison. 2001 wasn’t afraid of ambiguity and that’s a big part of why people have been pondering exactly what it means since it was released. The message of Interstellar, by comparison is pretty clear: take care of the earth, don’t give up on exploring the stars. It’s a movie that clearly wants to inspire people, but it also sort of undercuts that message by making most of the scientific accomplishments in the film impossible without the assistance of what are basically magical aliens. One could argue that 2001 did the same thing, but it wasn’t necessarily trying to be hopeful and was as much about the dark side of progress as it was about its awesomeness.
You’ll notice that I haven’t said anything about the film’s relatively long running time. I’m pretty sure a lot of the film’s detractors will say it’s too long, but I disagree. The movie paces itself out quite well and moves at a pretty brisk pace. If anything, it’s too short. It’s become sort of hackneyed to come out of a movie and suggest that it should have been a mini-series, but it really is true in the case even if such a thing would have probably been impossible given the budgets involved. A longer format would have allowed Nolan to more effectively establish what future-Earth was like and the nature of the crisis on it, found a more organic way to get Cooper onto the mission, provided for more natural means of exposition, and may have even led to a more organic means of incorporating the Mann twist. It also would have probably done something to remedy the film’s rather strange epilog, which almost feels like it should have been separated and expanded into an Interstellar 2 rather than awkwardly squeezed in at the end.
Alright, so I’ve outlined a lot of grievances against this movie, but I don’t want to give off the impression that I hate it or even dislike it all that strongly. The movie is every bit as ambitious as anything Christopher Nolan has made, and this is the kind of movie that I would like to see Hollywood attempt more often. It also does have a handful of highs that really do keep the audience interested. Every time I thought the film had gone astray something cool would happen that would get me back on board at least for a little while longer. I can see a good movie here that’s buried under a handful of poor decisions that keep weighing it down. Ultimately, I feel like this movie has a lot of very good ideas that probably looked great on paper but which never really came together correctly. Perhaps Nolan was just the wrong person to direct his own movie. I’ve long thought that his reputation for being an over-serious stick in the mud was unfair, but it existed for a reason. This kind of uplift does not come naturally to him and I don’t think he was ever really comfortable working with some of the schmaltzier Americana elements at the beginning. Maybe he should have passed the project on Spielberg, or at least watched a couple of the guy’s movies before he embarked on this project.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 16, 2014 12:31:43 GMT -5
Interstellar(11/8/2014)
Now I’m less inclined to compare him to peak-era Michael Jackson and more inclined to compare him to Pete Townshend circa 1978: a man who tried tirelessly to elevate his lowly medium to the level of an opera only to then have his work and everything it represents dismissed and mocked in favor of a wave of engaging but simplistic work made by miscreants. What album is this in reference to? Insult Interstellar in this thread all you want, but you best leave The Who out of this! This is, after all, a massive mission that must have been planned for years and the notion that they’d just change plans like that is a bit ridiculous. Agreed. There was a lot of faith put into switching pilots because he was Close-Encoutnersly-chosen, I guess it just didn't bother me enough in the scope of things. It gets to the point where someone is explaining wormholes to Cooper (using the same folded paper analogy used in the movie Event Horizon) Heh, noticed that too. Would a probe of some sort not have been able to detect that the planet is almost all water and has twelve story waves crushing everything? Also, if fuel is in such short supply how are they able to keep their mother ship in the air for the twenty three years this side trip apparently takes? I don't think a planet filled with all water would be a deal breaker. They're really staying open-minded at this point. And no, I don't think they'd be able to detect the waves. Not when they don't know to look for them. Also, a ship doesn't need much fuel to stay in orbit. Look at the Hubble. The guy is a little too laid back at his core, and there’s still a little bit of that “alright, alright, alright” swagger here when I don’t think that was necessarily the best option. Agreed. He's a mumbler. And the whole “robot companion you think will be evil but isn’t” thing was also done pretty well in Moon. Why would you think he was evil?
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2014 12:47:54 GMT -5
Interstellar(11/8/2014)
Now I’m less inclined to compare him to peak-era Michael Jackson and more inclined to compare him to Pete Townshend circa 1978: a man who tried tirelessly to elevate his lowly medium to the level of an opera only to then have his work and everything it represents dismissed and mocked in favor of a wave of engaging but simplistic work made by miscreants. What album is this in reference to? Insult Interstellar in this thread all you want, but you best leave The Who out of this! This is, after all, a massive mission that must have been planned for years and the notion that they’d just change plans like that is a bit ridiculous. Agreed. There was a lot of faith put into switching pilots because he was Close-Encoutnersly-chosen, I guess it just didn't bother me enough in the scope of things. It gets to the point where someone is explaining wormholes to Cooper (using the same folded paper analogy used in the movie Event Horizon) Heh, noticed that too. Would a probe of some sort not have been able to detect that the planet is almost all water and has twelve story waves crushing everything? Also, if fuel is in such short supply how are they able to keep their mother ship in the air for the twenty three years this side trip apparently takes? I don't think a planet filled with all water would be a deal breaker. They're really staying open-minded at this point. And no, I don't think they'd be able to detect the waves. Not when they don't know to look for them. Also, a ship doesn't need much fuel to stay in orbit. Look at the Hubble. The guy is a little too laid back at his core, and there’s still a little bit of that “alright, alright, alright” swagger here when I don’t think that was necessarily the best option. Agreed. He's a mumbler. And the whole “robot companion you think will be evil but isn’t” thing was also done pretty well in Moon. Why would you think he was evil? It was mostly based on this story of how Who Are You was written. The comparison was meant to be complimentary, more about the two artist's place in pop culture at a specific time than about the works themselves. Was that ship in orbit? Wasn't the whole plan that it would stay on the side of the planet that wasn't in the path of the black hole's time altering properties? Also, if we can use probes and stuff to see the surfaces of Venus and Mars why couldn't they have used them on that planet? And I'd think it was evil because he's an A.I. in a movie that's plainly drawing from 2001... and Cooper says something like "these military bots are buggy" early on and spends most of the movie distrusting it.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 16, 2014 12:54:36 GMT -5
Things can be placed in orbit to stay on one side pretty well. It's all about the initial thrust put into it, I think. Just like something can be placed in geosynchronous orbit if you want it to stay above the exact same place. Actually, what makes less sense is that in orbit time can be more or less the same, but on the surface years are whizzing by. They'd have to be way too damn close to a blackhole for it to shift so quickly.
But maybe you're right about not sending down a probe. Then again, if we're looking for a future Earth to last us forever, we would want human hands on it.
I guess I never got that vibe. I felt more like the robot had to win his trust with a gesture, and it did. Silly perhaps, but it didn't hurt the movie for me.
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