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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 20, 2014 16:45:34 GMT -5
Why have we been showering so much love on Lynch? He's an important filmmaker and this is the best chance he has of making the list. Beyond that, there isn't anything that really sticks out as being more important. Blues Brothers and Caddyshack are both loved comedy, but I think Airplane! represents 80s comedies enough. Friday the 13th launched the franchise, but it lacks all of the iconic elements and of the three major slasher series, it's universally considered the worst. Ordinary People won Best Picture, but no one cares about that movie now. There's always Superman II, but outside of Zod, it doesn't add too much.
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Post by iverdawg on Dec 20, 2014 16:57:48 GMT -5
Eh, he'll probably get in with Blue Velvet and Eraserhead, and I still have no idea how Mullholand Dr. got excluded from 2001.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 17:17:51 GMT -5
THE "IMPORTANT" MOVIES OF 1980
9 TO 5 - You can tell CS! is full of dudes. AIRPLANE! - An undisputed classic! THE BLUE LAGOON - I'm sorry if this movie is too perverted for you. THE BLUES BROTHERS - An undisputed classic! CADDYSHACK - An undisputed classic! THE ELEPHANT MAN - An undisputed classic! THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - An undisputed classic! FRIDAY THE 13TH - It has its place in movie history. RAGING BULL - An undisputed classic! THE SHINING - An undisputed classic! SUPERMAN II - Flawed... but a classic.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 20, 2014 17:20:35 GMT -5
I don't disagree, but what's your five?
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 17:45:58 GMT -5
I don't disagree, but what's your five? How do you even choose? 9 to 5 was an important women's rights movie and it's STILL relevant. That's how little society has changed in the past 34 years. Airplane!, The Blues Brothers and Caddyshack are beloved comedy classics. You can't have ONE movie represent all three because each of these movies have their own style. Airplane! is a spoof. The Blue Brothers is a musical. Caddyshack is a collection of different comedians and comic actors doing their thing. I mean... if we HAVE to choose one, the obvious answer is Caddyshack. That one is more representative of the decade. It has Chevy Chase, Bill Murray and Rodney Dangerfield each performing their specific brand of humor. The Blue Lagoon could be eliminated but where's Dracula, the defender of edgy filmmaking, when you need it? You do know this is a movie about two UNDERAGED actors "discovering themselves" in an island. Do you have any idea the balls in took to make this movie? You could never make this movie in 2014. At least not as sexually honest as the original. If Dracula truly believed what he preached, he would stick up for this one. But he's going with Heaven's Gate for false reasons. The Elephant Man, The Empire Strikes Back, Raging Bull and The Shining are bonafide classics. Friday the 13th and Superman II have their place in movie history. Then there's "smaller movies" that deserve a shoutout: CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST - I can tell you guys haven't seen this movie. FAME - The beginning of the music video style teen movies of the decade. FLASH GORDON - It's a camp classic made even more popular by Seth MacFarlene in 2012's Ted. THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY - South African movie that Dracula probably masturbates to. LITTLE DARLINGS - Again, CS! is a sausage fest. We need some damn women in here! MY BODYGUARD - The ultimate bully movie! This one is definitely an "important" movie. But it's not worth fighting for. You guys haven't seen it. STARDUST MEMORY - This Woody Allen movie gets brought up a lot. Like I've been saying for a while. Top 5 is stupid. I'm okay with Top 5 as a minimal requirement. But as the max? Nah. Some years have too many classics and noteworthy films to reduce them to a Top 5. But I'm talking to the walls now.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 20, 2014 17:51:56 GMT -5
To be honest I was leaning towards Cannibal Holocaust if one of the two comedies on my list didn't make the cut.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 17:54:52 GMT -5
To be honest I was leaning towards Cannibal Holocaust if one of the two comedies on my list didn't make the cut. There's NO WAY other people are gonna fight for Cannibal Holocaust. There's nothing to drop.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 20, 2014 18:36:33 GMT -5
The Blue Lagoon could be eliminated but where's Dracula, the defender of edgy filmmaking, when you need it? You do know this is a movie about two UNDERAGED actors "discovering themselves" in an island. Do you have any idea the balls in took to make this movie? You could never make this movie in 2014. At least not as sexually honest as the original. If Dracula truly believed what he preached, he would stick up for this one. But he's going with Heaven's Gate for false reasons. My experience with that movie is limited to the 40 some odd minutes of it I watched on HBO for "nefarious" reason when I was a teenager. Seemed like the corniest thing I'd ever seen. Lolita it was not.
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 20, 2014 18:41:53 GMT -5
I am certainly not of the opinion we only need one comedy. I think we've been shafting comedies a lot so far. But the one to pick certainly isnt Caddyshack, its Airplane.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 18:54:40 GMT -5
Kubrick's Lolita is tamer than this movie. And the Adrian Lyne version may have had an edgier subject matter but it was "romanized" and has spawned a weird fetish culture of teenager girls who are hardcore fans. So I don't think your Lolita bomb worked. The Blue Lagoon is the more "adult" and frank of the three movies, I am certainly not of the opinion we only need one comedy. I think we've been shafting comedies a lot so far. But the one to pick certainly isnt Caddyshack, its Airplane. Airplane is the better movie but it isn't the most representative. Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker aren't as important as Chevy Chase, Bill Murray, Rodney Dangerfield and Harold Ramis. But I'll say this. Since you guys have made up your minds of excluding The Blues Brothers and Caddyshack, not to mention you pissed on Vacation, then Ghostbusters and Fletch have to make the lists in 1984 and 1985. This is non-negotiable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 19:05:52 GMT -5
Why have we been showering so much love on Lynch? I'm even surprised you're asking that question. Lynch is always taking a step forward in surrealistic filmmaking, while everyone else lags behind; he's always challenging himself to create even more dazzling, dreamy narratives. Many filmmakers, musicians, and novelists cite him as being a key influence. Did you also know George Lucas even considered him for Star Wars, but Lynch declined? So yeah, he's definitely deserving. Blue Velvet kind of began the themes of Twin Peaks. Mulholland Drive was a creative dream-narrative in the same vein as Bergman's Persona; and, according to Wiki, Film Comment magazine voted it the best of the decade. Eraserhead changed cinema forever; it was also voted to be preserved in the National Film Registry. Inland Empire was voted one of the best films of the 2000s.
I don't think I need to keep going.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 19:38:22 GMT -5
Eraserhead changed cinema, but not in the way you imply. Eraserhead became famous as a "midnight movie." Back in the 1970's, young people in big cities would take drugs and go watch oddball movies in the after hours. That's how 2001 became popular and Reefer Madness and John Waters and Rocky Horror Picture Show. Eraserhead is part of a subculture.
The Elephant Man, produced by Mel Brooks, is the movie that put him on the map. It has his signature style but is "normal enough" to not alienate mainstream audience. Without Elephant Man, Lynch would be another John Waters instead of David Cronenberg's main rival.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 19:41:50 GMT -5
Courtesy of Wikipedia, to wit:
"While working on The Elephant Man, Lynch met American director Stanley Kubrick, who revealed to Lynch that Eraserhead was his favorite film. Eraserhead also served as an influence on Kubrick's 1980 film The Shining; Kubrick reportedly screened the film for the cast and crew to "put them in the mood" that he wanted the film to achieve. Eraserhead is also credited with influencing the 1990 Japanese cyberpunk film Tetsuo: The Iron Man, the experimental 1990 horror film Begotten, and Darren Aronofsky's 1998 directorial debut Pi. Swiss surrealist H. R. Giger cited Eraserhead as "one of the greatest films [he had] ever seen", and said that it came closer to realizing his vision than even his own films. According to Giger, Lynch declined to collaborate with him on Dune because he felt Giger had "stolen his ideas"."
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 19:51:02 GMT -5
I'm just saying that Eraserhead put him in a niche crowd. The Elephant Man is the movie that created his career and legacy. The same way that George Lucas would have gone on a different path if he had sticked with movies like THX.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 19:52:53 GMT -5
No, I understand. I was just reiterating (to Ian, unsurprisingly) how important Lynch has been to cinema.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 19:55:54 GMT -5
No, I understand. I was just reiterating (to Ian, unsurprisingly) how important Lynch has been to cinema. Ian likes to make ridiculous statements just to generate discussion.
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 20, 2014 20:41:19 GMT -5
It just felt like we were honouring every single one of his movies so far. But now that I look on the master list, I guess it was just videodrone. But I do think that Airplane needs to be there before elephant man.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:45:31 GMT -5
Do you mean Cronenberg..?
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 20, 2014 20:49:41 GMT -5
Videodrome is David Cronenberg.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 20, 2014 20:59:18 GMT -5
I get that Airplane, Blues Brothers, and Caddyshack are all very different comedies, and I would be okay with them making it in theory, I just think that there are more deserving films so only one ended up making it. I'd also rather have Blues Brothers than Caddyshack. The former is genuinely really good, with some memorable moments, and a breathtaking car chase. Caddyshack has some funny lines too, but it doesn't deserve to be here just because it has a lot of famous people in it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:34:22 GMT -5
Agreed on Blues Brothers.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 20, 2014 21:36:13 GMT -5
Kubrick's Lolita is tamer than this movie. And the Adrian Lyne version may have had an edgier subject matter but it was "romanized" and has spawned a weird fetish culture of teenager girls who are hardcore fans. So I don't think your Lolita bomb worked. The Blue Lagoon is the more "adult" and frank of the three movies, And Pretty Baby is more "adult" then all of them I get that Airplane, Blues Brothers, and Caddyshack are all very different comedies, and I would be okay with them making it in theory, I just think that there are more deserving films so only one ended up making it. I'd also rather have Blues Brothers than Caddyshack. The former is genuinely really good, with some memorable moments, and a breathtaking car chase. Caddyshack has some funny lines too, but it doesn't deserve to be here just because it has a lot of famous people in it. As much as a personally hate it, I think Airplane is the most influential of the three. The modern spoof movie (Hot Shots, Scary Movie, etc.) never would have existed. The "put four comedians in a situation and let them improvise" ethos of Caddyshack would have happened one way or another and I don't think that The Blues Brothers' combo of music, surreality, and setpieces has really been imitated all that often.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2014 21:48:31 GMT -5
And Pretty Baby is more "adult" then all of them Maybe. And it is the more controversial Brooke Shields movie. You hate Airplane? Wow. You're forgetting Mel Brooks. Not to mention John Landis' Kentucky Fried Movie. Comedic movies existed at the dawn of cinema, and yet, it took 80 years for the "improv movie" to happen. So don't be so sure. Harold Ramis created something special here and launched Rodney Dangerfields career in the process. It hasn't been imitated that much because it's difficult to pull off. Hence its status as a great movie. If it were easy to do, it wouldn't be unique.
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 20, 2014 22:37:23 GMT -5
Do you mean Cronenberg..? Ah damn it.
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 21, 2014 0:22:46 GMT -5
Of course he hates Airplane.
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