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Post by Justin on Mar 31, 2016 22:51:07 GMT -5
I haven't read "Mason & Dixon", but it's on my list, right along with "Against the Day", which I'll admit is one I've been wanting to read for a long time. I've only read "V.", "Gravity's Rainbow", "Inherent Vice", "The Crying of Lot 49", and "Bleeding Edge". All were very good.
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Post by RedStorm901 on Mar 31, 2016 23:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by sabin26 on Apr 1, 2016 7:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 1, 2016 16:46:13 GMT -5
I haven't read "Mason & Dixon", but it's on my list, right along with "Against the Day", which I'll admit is one I've been wanting to read for a long time. I've only read "V.", "Gravity's Rainbow", "Inherent Vice", "The Crying of Lot 49", and "Bleeding Edge". All were very good. That's awesome, are all of his books as daunting (yet in a totally enjoyable way) as Gravity's Rainbow? I know Inherent Vice isn't, I've read excerpts from that. Not that I don't love the challenge, I just always seem to hear people gripe about Gravity's Rainbow and Mason & Dixon as being really tough and I don't hear as much from his other books.
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Post by Justin on Apr 1, 2016 21:13:50 GMT -5
Not really. "V." can be challenging (and honestly, this is a good starting point for the Pynchon reader, since he deals with some themes here that he'll tackle later), along with parts of "Lot 49", and as for "Bleeding Edge", it's a breezier read, sorta like "Inherent Vice"--as breezy as Pynchon can get, I guess. Oh, and I forgot to mention I've read his short story collection, "Slow Learner", which was all right. From what I've read he hates it though.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 2, 2016 18:42:13 GMT -5
Interesting, so I guess with Gravity's Rainbow I'm just diving into a real challenge by him.
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Post by Ramplate on Apr 2, 2016 19:27:46 GMT -5
Secret Lessons by Don W. Weber and Charles Bosworth - a book about a teacher who molested lots of his 10-12 year old female students over many years back in the 80's. I'm not finished yet but the bastard deserves to eat a bullet.
EDIT: wow, called it. He ate a bullet and left suicide notes blaming everyone else but himself for his demise.
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Post by Ramplate on Apr 16, 2016 13:19:37 GMT -5
Deviant: The Shocking True Story of Ed Gein the Original Psycho by Harold Schechter
Wow! You know the book has to be extremely graphic and detailed if it even grosses me out. Gein definitely takes the cake as one of the most dastardly fucked up individuals of the last century. His parents had a lot to do with it.
Messed up individuals like this often come from an ultra strict religious upbringing, especially when the religious head of the household keeps the children insolated and constantly preaches about the evils of everyone else. His mother was intolerant of everyone who wasn't a Lutheran, and his father was a henpecked drunkard who was never successful at anything (except drinking)
After his family died off, he went off the deep end. Im not going to get into it here, but he was into making things. I guess he enjoyed arts and crafts and If you have a strong stomach, you can Google pictures of some of his gruesome handiwork. Creepy creepy stuff.
His crimes make the Manson murders look like a Sunday picnic. This guy was an out and out ghoul!
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Post by Ramplate on Apr 21, 2016 14:32:38 GMT -5
Jeffery Deaver's The Skin Collector, Lincoln Rhyme novel #11.
Not to be confused with The Bone Collector, the first book in the series, this is about a tattoo artist who tattoos his victims with poison.
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Post by Justin on Apr 26, 2016 13:45:10 GMT -5
Studying for my final exam has taken up most of my time, so I'm not yet finished with "The Three-Body Problem" (approximately 80% done though). Next up is "Miniature Size, Magical Quality: Nasca Art" by Frances Marzio.
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Post by Jibbs on Apr 26, 2016 18:06:07 GMT -5
2016 Hugo award nominees were released today. Three-Body sequel wasn't nominated. I'm surprised.
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Post by Deexan on Apr 27, 2016 11:34:11 GMT -5
2016 Hugo award nominees were released today. Three-Body sequel wasn't nominated. I'm surprised. Speaking of... What's all this shite about? The finalists for the 2016 Hugo Awards for science-fiction and fantasy were announced today, and it looks like the Puppies are at it again. As The Guardian reports, the majority of nominees promoted by The Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies – groups that “campaign against a perceived bias towards liberal and leftwing science-fiction and fantasy authors” – made the final ballot.
The Sad Puppies, founded in 2013 by writer Larry Correia, criticize the Hugos for favoring “academic” works that allegedly promote left-leaning messages. In 2015, Theodore Beale – a “self-described ‘fundamentalist’” whose racism, as Ryan Britt explained in Electric Literature, is well-known – founded the more radical and political Rabid Puppies.
Since Hugo nominations are determined by voters, the Puppies have stirred controversy by actively campaigning for the inclusion of works that conform to their ideologies. After buying a membership to the annual World Science Fiction Convention, voters can nominate up to five works per category, and the five works with the highest numbers of votes make the ballot.
To the chagrin of many authors – including George RR Martin and Connie Willis, who declared the Hugos “broken” and rife with “bullying” – the Puppies have been successful. Some writers, like Alastair Reynolds, have requested that the Puppies remove them from their lists of recommendations. Faced with a ballot full of Puppies-backed nominees last year, voters declined to select winners in an unprecedented 5 categories. This year, 4,032 nominating ballots were cast — a new record. Of the 80 works recommended by Beale, 62 snagged spots on the shortlist, including an essay that Beale wrote under his pen name, Vox Day.
electricliterature.com/reactionaries-attack-the-hugo-awards-again/
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Post by Justin on Apr 27, 2016 11:49:49 GMT -5
"Seveneves" by Neal Stephenson was nominated for Best Novel, so I'm happy.
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Post by Jibbs on Apr 27, 2016 17:26:28 GMT -5
2016 Hugo award nominees were released today. Three-Body sequel wasn't nominated. I'm surprised. Speaking of... What's all this shite about? The finalists for the 2016 Hugo Awards for science-fiction and fantasy were announced today, and it looks like the Puppies are at it again. As The Guardian reports, the majority of nominees promoted by The Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies – groups that “campaign against a perceived bias towards liberal and leftwing science-fiction and fantasy authors” – made the final ballot.
The Sad Puppies, founded in 2013 by writer Larry Correia, criticize the Hugos for favoring “academic” works that allegedly promote left-leaning messages. In 2015, Theodore Beale – a “self-described ‘fundamentalist’” whose racism, as Ryan Britt explained in Electric Literature, is well-known – founded the more radical and political Rabid Puppies.
Since Hugo nominations are determined by voters, the Puppies have stirred controversy by actively campaigning for the inclusion of works that conform to their ideologies. After buying a membership to the annual World Science Fiction Convention, voters can nominate up to five works per category, and the five works with the highest numbers of votes make the ballot.
To the chagrin of many authors – including George RR Martin and Connie Willis, who declared the Hugos “broken” and rife with “bullying” – the Puppies have been successful. Some writers, like Alastair Reynolds, have requested that the Puppies remove them from their lists of recommendations. Faced with a ballot full of Puppies-backed nominees last year, voters declined to select winners in an unprecedented 5 categories. This year, 4,032 nominating ballots were cast — a new record. Of the 80 works recommended by Beale, 62 snagged spots on the shortlist, including an essay that Beale wrote under his pen name, Vox Day.
electricliterature.com/reactionaries-attack-the-hugo-awards-again/Ugh. Long story short, starting recently, a group of people have been stuffing the Hugo ballots because they felt they weren't being diverse enough. This led to conservative ballot stuffing to COUNTERACT that. The result has been lots of winners that are distinctly diverse (like a recent Best Novel winner, Ancillary Justice, that is very gender-bending - decent read), but also a lot of categories having "no winner" because of rules concerning majorities. A little like delegates. Or as George RR Martin put it: the Hugos are dead. Look at how many "no awards" there are for 2015. (The ones that have "no award" at the top of the list) www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2015-hugo-awards/
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Post by Deexan on Apr 28, 2016 9:57:05 GMT -5
Thanks.
And wow, what a mess.
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Post by Ramplate on Apr 28, 2016 10:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deexan on May 6, 2016 20:55:10 GMT -5
"The Three-Body Problem" (approximately 80% done though). Thoughts? On to book two yet? It takes it to a whole other level... Jibbs 3 months to go...hopefully.
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Post by Justin on May 6, 2016 21:04:34 GMT -5
Just finished it the other day. Took me awhile due to schoolwork and my job.
It was good, a nice breezy read. It was a little weak stylistically which disappointed me. I'd like to see a little more of the world through the author's eyes/mind. But to be fair, I think much of it was lost in translation and maybe there's much more to it in the original language (this is sometimes the case, especially with French authors I've heard). Really enjoyed the story though and many of the concepts and various philosophical questions (the meaninglessness of everything, humanity as insects, etc). I'll continue reading the series, I'm just pretty backed up right now with other books.
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Post by Deexan on May 6, 2016 21:13:29 GMT -5
Do you think the stylistic limit was because of the translation or do you feel like it must not have been there to begin with?
When I began reading the 2nd book, which was translated by a different person, I was initially unimpressed as I thought it was noticeably inferior, but after a chapter or two it transcended all my expectations and ended up blowing me away.
Keep going.
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Post by Justin on May 6, 2016 21:17:38 GMT -5
That's what I'm wondering. I'm thinking it's because it was lost in translation. But who knows--it's still an engaging novel (that I somehow managed to motor through despite my workload) with some really fun, inventive ideas. It doesn't matter much in the end.
Oh, cool. I'm going to keep reading. Ultimately it's the story that matters most of all. So yeah, Liu definitely did well--in my opinion--with the storytelling. He knows how to pace it, too. Love his hard science, as well, even though most of it goes way over my head.
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Post by Deexan on May 6, 2016 21:26:32 GMT -5
For me, this series has been the first time I've been so invested since Tolkien 20 years ago. No mean feat.
But as you say, it's kind of impossible to say if the prose has been recreated by the translation.
Imagine reading LOTR in Croatian, or something. So much must get lost in translation. And how does one even attempt to translate Shakespeare?!
It's impenetrable enough in English!
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Post by Jibbs on May 6, 2016 22:56:54 GMT -5
I've always felt style was overrated in science-fiction. More of a bonus.
Look at Asimov. He just told his story.
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Post by Deexan on May 6, 2016 22:58:39 GMT -5
Nice Justin. What's the USP for that version? Not many details on Amazon.
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Post by Deexan on May 6, 2016 23:29:10 GMT -5
I've always felt style was overrated in science-fiction. More of a bonus. Look at Asimov. He just told his story. Yeah. Who cares about style, it's all ideas in sci-fi. Style is, as you say, a bonus and rare. You'd know more examples of authors with style in sci-fi than me. C. Clarke? Wells? No idea about modern equivalents. Liu is staking a claim, mind.
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