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Post by Wyldstaar on May 25, 2020 20:03:56 GMT -5
That would be a good one actually. I'm going to watch Highlander II next week since it's on Amazon. I'll write a review of it here to try to process the awful. My condolences. I saw Christopher Lambert on a David Letterman promoting Highlander III back in the day. During the interview, he made a personal apology for Highlander II. Lambert assured the audience that they could just pretend that it didn't happen, just like the writers of Highlander III did.
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Post by Doomsday on May 25, 2020 20:05:27 GMT -5
Zardoz almost broke me as a film buff. I almost threw in the towel right there. Dig deep for your strength, Sno. You're going to need it.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 25, 2020 20:08:48 GMT -5
Highlander II is the greatest movie ever made.
I haven't seen Zardoz, but I'm sure it's the second greatest.
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 25, 2020 21:48:29 GMT -5
Zardoz almost broke me as a film buff. I almost threw in the towel right there. Dig deep for your strength, Sno. You're going to need it. I finally tracked down Zardoz a while back, but haven't been able to bring myself to actually watch it so far.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 26, 2020 15:55:07 GMT -5
Zardoz almost broke me as a film buff. I almost threw in the towel right there. Dig deep for your strength, Sno. You're going to need it. Triple feature of Zardoz, Outland, and Highlander II. So this is what coronavirus has ultimately led me to...
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 26, 2020 15:57:19 GMT -5
That would be a good one actually. I'm going to watch Highlander II next week since it's on Amazon. I'll write a review of it here to try to process the awful. My condolences. I saw Christopher Lambert on a David Letterman promoting Highlander III back in the day. During the interview, he made a personal apology for Highlander II. Lambert assured the audience that they could just pretend that it didn't happen, just like the writers of Highlander III did. It's part of why I'm curious. Sometimes when a movie is just so nonsensically awful it's almost like "okay, I need to see this." It's pretty astounding for a sequel to completely undo everything about the original, especially when the original already had a goofy concept but one that worked well enough. Ebert's review of it was enough to make me want to sit down with a six-pack and attempt to decipher to implausibility.
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Post by Neverending on May 26, 2020 16:02:33 GMT -5
My condolences. I saw Christopher Lambert on a David Letterman promoting Highlander III back in the day. During the interview, he made a personal apology for Highlander II. Lambert assured the audience that they could just pretend that it didn't happen, just like the writers of Highlander III did. It's part of why I'm curious. Sometimes when a movie is just so nonsensically awful it's almost like "okay, I need to see this." It's pretty astounding for a sequel to completely undo everything about the original, especially when the original already had a goofy concept but one that worked well enough. Ebert's review of it was enough to make me want to sit down with a six-pack and attempt to decipher to implausibility. — — — There can only be one ... and yet we got two. It’s a kind of magic. HIGHLANDER (1986)Now that the Terminator franchise lost its head, maybe Doomsday can seek out the rights holder of Highlander and make his low-budget remake. It’s essentially the same movie. A man from a different time has to defeat a big dude and have sex with a blonde woman. Maybe you can get Sean Connery out of retirement to reprise his role of the flamboyant Spaniard who was born in Egypt but has a Scottish accent. Highlander is an odd little movie that works in spite of its inherently poor concept. It’s just a few guys swordfighting and a series of flashbacks that feel like a different movie. It succeeds because of its impressive cinematography, MTV style editing, bizarre characters and kickass soundtrack by Queen. These are all things Doomsday can recreate cause the original wasn’t an example of lightning in a bottle. HIGHLANDER II (1991): THE 2004 CUTAs with SnoBorderZero’s Blade Runner, there’s a kazillion different versions of this movie. I went with the 2004 Cut as opposed to the Renegade Cut just to piss off 1godzillafan. And just as Blade Runner sucks in all its incarnations, Highlander II is incomprehensible regardless of how you watch it. The movie completely disregards everything that happened in the original - just because. It switches genre & style & tone - just because. And the story is bonkers - just because. If you thought a movie in which a Spaniard has a Scottish accent and a Scotsman has a French accent (and can barely speak English) was stupid, then brace yourself, cause this manages to top that. Really, the only good thing about this movie is Sean Connery hamming it up and its weird Luc Besson/GoldenEye aesthetic.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 26, 2020 16:40:07 GMT -5
Your review also makes me excited to watch it.
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Post by Neverending on May 26, 2020 16:42:13 GMT -5
Your review also makes me excited to watch it. Just make sure it’s the 2004 cut.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 26, 2020 16:52:20 GMT -5
Your review also makes me excited to watch it. Just make sure it’s the 2004 cut. It's whatever is on Amazon so I'm at the mercy of what Bezos wants.
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Post by Neverending on May 26, 2020 16:57:06 GMT -5
I'm at the mercy of what Bezos wants. Aren’t we all?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 26, 2020 17:01:34 GMT -5
I'm at the mercy of what Bezos wants. Aren’t we all?
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Post by Deexan on May 27, 2020 17:23:17 GMT -5
I can say without a doubt that Mars Attacks! is the greatest movie based on a set of trading cards I've ever seen. Clearly you've never seen HEARTS, the GAME.
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 27, 2020 19:32:24 GMT -5
I can say without a doubt that Mars Attacks! is the greatest movie based on a set of trading cards I've ever seen. Clearly you've never seen HEARTS, the GAME. I've no idea what you're even talking about. I haven't seen The Garbage Pail Kids Movie, either.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 27, 2020 22:48:08 GMT -5
Zardoz/Highlander II is gonna be a reality, holy shit!
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 1, 2020 12:33:28 GMT -5
This trailer seems weirdly prescient.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 1, 2020 21:23:39 GMT -5
I watched Megaforce (1982) for the How Did This Get Made? podcast. Wow. All my friends and I wanted to go see this movie when we were kids, and not a single one of us had parents willing to waste time and money to take any of us during the week it was in theaters. For decades, my sole exposure to it was the TV commercials that aired during the week before it hit theaters, featuring motorcycles armed with missiles and machine guns. We all pretended our bikes were Megaforce motorcycles, destroying everything in our path. I'm sure if I'd seen this when I was a boy, I'd have loved it. As an adult I still kinda love it, but for very different reasons. It is awesomely bad. It's supposed to be an international elite military force made up of the very best from every freedom loving nation in the world, but it gets a bit confusing after that. Most of the team have a US flag insignia. The Asian guy has a Japanese flag insignia, and the "Mexican" has the flag of Mexico. The leader's right hand man however, has a Confederate battle flag insignia. The 80's. Yee-haah! The uniforms are all shiny khaki spandex outfits with a control panel on the chest that doesn't control anything. They make a very big deal of Megaforce having the absolute latest in technology at their disposal, and demonstrate this to the British guy from Knight Rider and the bald chick from Star Trek: The Motion Picture by displaying their amazing hologram technology, which can make a hot babe in a bikini at the beach appear in the middle of the desert by using the emitter array on top of their vehicle. If you're expecting such an amazing advantage a subterfuge and illusion to be a major plot point later on in the movie, think again. All it's good for is projecting a bikini babe. Your tax dollars at work! The cutting edge weaponry of Megaforce consists entirely of motorcycles, dune buggies, and one command and control vehicle. The combat scenes with the bikes and dune buggies is surprisingly well done for a movie of this caliber, and is clearly where most of the budget went. It helps a great deal that the big fight scene takes place at night. The one that occurs during the daytime is still good, but isn't as spectacular. Most people know Megaforce for the epic finale. The clip has been making the rounds on YouTube since it's inception, and there's no shortage of gifs, either. It's very clear that all the money had been spent, and they had nothing left to even try and make it look good. The result is the sort of visual FX that you'd expect to see on 70's era Doctor Who, rather than a $20 million feature film. The flying motorcycles on Galactica 1980 were better than this, and they were terrible. If you like 80's cheese, you'll like Megaforce for what it is. If not, avoid at all costs.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 3, 2020 16:59:38 GMT -5
Well, I watched it. I watched Highlander II: The Quickening. I watched the "Renegade Cut" from 2004 which pads some running time to the original version as well as does away with the idea that they're aliens (which was very confusing for me watching the film because they never referenced them as such, and only after reading about what was changed did that make sense) and restructures scenes to "make more sense". I generally like to watch the theatrical version of movies and hate these "do-over" cuts because people try their damndest to get me to reevaluate these bad movies because these cuts are better. Kingdom of Heaven is a terrible movie, but everyone says the Director's Cut makes it a good film. I don't buy into this, just like I don't buy into the idea that a Zack Snyder cut of Justice League will make it a good film. Improve on the theatrical cut? Perhaps, but only marginally and only doing so with the knowledge of hindsight regarding general backlash that the director can attempt to temper. Anyways, my point is that while I'm sure the Renegade Cut is better than the theatrical release, which has a whopping 0% on Rotten Tomatoes, this movie is still an absolute train wreck. And yet I have to say, I was pretty amused that a sequel had the balls to take the premise of the original which certainly doesn't need a sequel but there's a blueprint to make one, and throw all of that out to make this movie. Nope, instead of just continuing the adventures of MacLeod in NYC and dropping in another bad guy, they send us to the future where the ozone layer has deteriorated and people, like MacLeod's late wife, are now dying from sun exposure. So MacLeod, who I guess after all his years on Earth has become a Steve Jobs type, teams up with a frumpy scientist to create The Shield, which is a... shield, which provides protection from the ultraviolet rays. This comes at a price though as now the Earth is in eternal darkness and people have lost their will to live. Really this is just an excuse to rip off Blade Runner as much as humanly possible. The rainy streets, the bad attempts at a dystopian city, all of it just reeks of a poor copy. Even the architecture is absurdly similar: Shield HQ is the exact same sloping pyramid as the Tyrell Corporation, in the beginning you can see fire billowing out of towers like in the opening of Blade Runner, and the director has placed large fans in the background of several scenes also very much Blade Runner. I mean, I'm not entirely opposed to moving this to the future because when you're dealing with a protagonist who's immortal, that can certainly work. But there's not a shred of originality occurring here. This isn't helped by the film not making any fucking sense. We get flashbacks to the "planet" Zeist that MacLeod and Ramirez hail from. There's a war with a general who's histrionically portrayed by Michael Ironside. MacLeod has lived in peace since the events of the first film, and since he's "the only one" has lost his immortal power and is aging. That is until the general sends two shitty henchmen to fight him, restoring his... powers... WHAT!? And he even emerges from the "quickening" with a fucking blade in his hand! If the general wanted him dead, why don't you just wait another few years? Why are you doing this now? And then in perhaps the most inexplicable event that even this "Renegade Cut" doesn't even try to explain, MacLeod brings Sean Connery back to life. Awesome! Connery is the only bright spot in the movie, knowing this is an awful movie and hamming it up the whole way through. Later, he and MacLeod infiltrate a prison, only to find themselves in a room with a giant fan with menacing, rotating blades! This must be every Highlander's nightmare scenario. Connery then sacrifices himself by using his dying powers to open a door and stop the fan. You gotta see it to believe it! What follows are some awful day for night sequences, culminating in MacLeod killing the bad guy and using his "quickening" to unleash on the Shield and blow it up. This was because they found out that the ozone layer has repaired itself and they don't need it anymore. How does the planet Zeist and the other immortals fit into all of this? They don't. On a final note, as terrible as this movie is I had a great time watching it. Christopher Lambert is awful in this movie. He just spouts out terrible one-liners and displays absolutely no range at all. In one scene his ex-wife dies and he just gets up and leaves. Doesn't even do one of those corny crying scenes to coincide with her cliched "one...last...word...before...I...die..." sendoff. The action is awful, but the little hover board battle made me laugh. And some elements of the set direction, while still total rip-offs of Blade Runner and mostly obvious matte/miniature work, are pretty cool. They don't attempt at all to explain the socioeconomics of this society (for example, MacLeod is likely a very famous and very rich man, so why the fuck does he live in a building in the middle of the bad part of the city?) and it only becomes more ludicrous as you think about it. Again, when you could've easily just made an exact revamp of the first film with a new villain, it's really remarkable that this is the direction they took. It's misguided and horrible in every way, but you do have to somewhat admire them for trying to expand the Highlander universe and take it in a new direction. Final note: It annoyed the hell out of me that Michael Ironside's general spouted off all this American slang and colloquialisms. Like, was he studying all this on Zeist? I guess he's not particularly busy and has the time, but is that what he's doing? How does he know how subways work and slang associated with them but not how to use The Shield Company to his advantage? Final final note: Everyone in this movie just pops up. We see establishing shots of these massive compounds with heavy guard presences. And yet everyone, even powerless, useless Virginia Madsen, just walks right past them and is always in the right place at the right time. If Highlanders can teleport, why the fuck does Sean Connery take a plane? I'm done. 2/10
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Post by Neverending on Jun 3, 2020 17:37:16 GMT -5
I generally like to watch the theatrical version of movies and hate these "do-over" cuts Says the huge Blade Runner fan. Doomsday gonna be maaaddd. LOL. LOL. Is he? He feels more Christopher Lambert here than in the original film. LOL. It's as if they didn't want to make a Highlander sequel but kinda had to.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 3, 2020 17:38:48 GMT -5
It's as if they didn't want to make a Highlander sequel but kinda had to. You could say that about most Highlander sequels, honestly. Especially that fifth one.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 3, 2020 17:39:59 GMT -5
It's as if they didn't want to make a Highlander sequel but kinda had to. You could say that about most Highlander sequels, honestly. Especially that fifth one. Most? I'm curious which ones feel like Highlander sequels.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 3, 2020 17:40:42 GMT -5
Blade Runner is a bit different though because the Final Cut does away with the shitty narration and ending.
So yes, in that case it is a definite improvement.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 3, 2020 17:57:24 GMT -5
Kingdom of Heaven's directors cut is in another dimension compared to the theatrical. How dare you disagree with my opinion.
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