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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 24, 2020 10:01:46 GMT -5
UPN's merger with the WB was for the best. They were really just trying to be the same network anyway, but UPN just seemed so confused about how to go about it while WB just knew what it was.
And they both aired Buffy, so...
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Post by Neverending on Jun 24, 2020 10:11:39 GMT -5
UPN's merger with the WB was for the best. They were really just trying to be the same network anyway, but UPN just seemed so confused about how to go about it while WB just knew what it was. And they both aired Buffy, so... I liked 90’s UPN with their Marvel cartoons & anime. First place to air Dragonball Z — before Cartoon Network/Toonami.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 24, 2020 10:18:30 GMT -5
I remember watching UPN for Malcolm and Eddie in the 90's. I enjoyed that show.
Then UPN got to a point where they were airing something called "Shasta McNasty," and I was like "Are you okay? Should I call an ambulance?"
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Post by Neverending on Jun 24, 2020 10:21:36 GMT -5
I remember watching UPN for Malcolm and Eddie in the 90's. I enjoyed that show. Then UPN got to a point where they were airing something called "Shasta McNasty," and I was like "Are you okay? Should I call an ambulance?" lol. Yeah. I watched Malcolm & Eddie as well. And that very short lived Abraham Lincoln sitcom.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 27, 2020 18:40:50 GMT -5
STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT (1996)
This TNG batch of Star Trek films may not have gotten off on the best foot with Generations, but First Contact definitely makes a more concerted effort to put everything on the right track. And it succeeds, delivering not just a much better franchise film, but a really good film overall. The plot of First Contact is borne out of/tied back into a particular two-parter of The Next Generation show, The Best of Both Worlds. I did make sure to watch those episodes before First Contact, and they did help in catching me up enough on the film's villains, The Borg. The story here concerns the machine-infused Borg race traveling back in time to the day humanity first made contact with extraterrestrial life, stopping the event from happening and thus assimilating Earth to the Borg hive mind. The Enterprise crew follows them and tries to, in turn, stop the Borg assimilation and ensure First Contact. Already, this film has a very cinematic quality that definitely works in its favor, as well as a story that's not AS dependent on having seen any of the show beforehand. Yes, watching The Best of Both Worlds helps get you up to speed on The Borg and Picard's history with them, but I also think the plot would still work well enough, but admittedly not to the desired degree. Regardless, I think First Contact also benefits from the fact that by now, the TNG crew feels well-established enough for a relative noob like me to have a working understanding of who everybody is beyond their names and ranks. I think that ties back into how the story works, because everybody's purpose within it is clear, and that in turn allows for each person's signature traits to shine through. Picard's resistance up on the Enterprise against a contingent of Borgs who have infiltrated the ship is tense and exciting while Riker and his crew on Earth attempting to help the scientist (James Cromwell in a good performance) is lighter but just as engaging while also tapping on some interesting ideas. Also quite engaging Is Data's storyline in this movie, as he becomes the prisoner of the Borg Queen and has to confront difficult questions of his humanity, however much he has. It's all a tasty cocktail and while some of the cuts back and forth feel a little jarring, it's always an entertaining blend. This also marks the directing debut of Jonathan Frakes, who'd also go on to direct the next film, Insurrection -- which, at the time of my writing this, I've already gone ahead and watched. For a debut, it's really solid and ambitious, and Frakes mostly pulls it off. Again, I think some of the transitions between the different plot threads could've been smoother, but he nonetheless handles everything admirably. And if I have any other complaint, it's that the film could've maybe benefitted from a bit more establishment/build-up. But at the end of the day, First Contact is one of the better entries into the Star Trek film franchise as a whole. It takes what feel like elements you'd see on the show and combines them with more cinematic elements, and the end result is one exciting movie.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 2, 2020 16:38:37 GMT -5
Star Trek: Insurrection (1998)
I'd long heard that The Next Generation stretch of the Star Trek films followed a "one bad movie, one good movie" pattern -- or was that just the franchise as a whole? Anyway, one off/one on has definitely been how it's gone with the TNG films for me thus far, because like Generations, Insurrection is another off-movie. Apparently after First Contact, Paramount wanted a more lighthearted follow-up, something along the lines of The Voyage Home. And indeed, the stakes of Insurrection don't feel as dire as those in something like First Contact. But the more relative lightness of tone isn't the issue here. The issue is that it all feels unnecessarily small in scope, on both a story and production level. The plot itself seems like the story of a regular 43-minute episode stretched out to an hour and 43 minutes, which creates problems on a story level. The plot here, concerning one race of aliens attempting to squander the resources of another in order to extend their own life, is interesting and contains some intriguing themes. But the movie has a curious case of both stretching the story way too thin and only exploring the implications on a base level. There were never any moments here where I felt like the script was offering any significant or overly interesting insight into the questions raised by what the villainous race is doing. Everything is just treated rather simplistically, which is disappointing when considering the stories of previous entries like First Contact and The Voyage Home, and how those movies explored their particular implications quite well. Jonathan Frakes returns to the director's chair again, but not long into Insurrection, I thought of something: that this ironically was smaller in scale than Frakes's directorial debut, and maybe a movie like this would've served better as one for him to cut his teeth on before moving to something larger-scale like First Contact. I mean, Frakes does a fine job establishing tone and whatnot here, but he doesn't bring the same kind of energy to this that he did First Contact. Insurrection has a curiously low energy level to it, which not only applies to the regular scenes, but also the action ones as well. And coupled with the thin story, I found this to be a rather sluggish 103 minutes. Some scenes still work regardless, though, and it feels like the cast is still putting in effort. In fact, I'd say a lot of the highlights of Insurrection come from the scenes where the characters just interact with each other; the chemistry remains strong. Also, while I did criticize the stakes here feeling decidedly less important, I actually didn't mind the overall lighter tone. But Insurrection still feels like a more minor, uninspired entry into the franchise, and certainly not a memorable one.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 2, 2020 16:57:16 GMT -5
I'd long heard that The Next Generation stretch of the Star Trek films followed a "one bad movie, one good movie" pattern -- or was that just the franchise as a whole? That's supposed to be the entire film series. The general consensus was Motion Picture - boring, Wrath of Khan - Great, Search for Spock - Meh, and so on. Then it's commonly accepted that Galaxy Quest threw the "Trek Curse" out of whack. Since that was a great Trek satire, it skipped, and Nemesis was crap, Trek '09 - Fun, Into Darkness - A Mess, Beyond - Enjoyable. The next Trek movie is due to be a bad one.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 2, 2020 17:16:37 GMT -5
Insurrection struck me as the Star Trek: Beyond of the TNG films, i.e. a regular episode stretched out to movie length. It's been a while since I've seen Beyond (though I will re-watch the Kelvin Timeline films or whatever the hell they're called after Nemesis), but I remember enjoying that more than I did Insurrection.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 2, 2020 17:28:39 GMT -5
I think Beyond is a really fun movie with clever touches, and the anti-gravity action scene at the climax is pretty creative. It's probably middle of the pack for me overall, but if I want to watch something with Star Trek characters that's more or less just a ride, that's the film I go to.
Insurrection has concepts, but it never really develops them in a satisfactory way nor is it really that fun to watch. It might be my least favorite of the series next to Final Frontier.
I'm probably not a normal Trekkie though. First Contact and Undiscovered Country are my faves, and I think Wrath of Khan is pretty good, but doesn't really step up too much for me. I'm also that freak that loves Enterprise, as we've already established in this thread. I also like Discovery, and while I haven't seen too much of Picard, the episodes I've watched are pretty good.
Hot Take: I don't think Nemesis is as bad as everyone says. It has bad elements, but I think it's a pretty okay movie overall. But I haven't watched it in maybe ten years.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 2, 2020 18:05:10 GMT -5
Star Trek: Insurrection (1998)
The issue is that it all feels unnecessarily small in scope, on both a story and production level. The plot itself seems like the story of a regular 43-minute episode stretched out to an hour and 43 minutes, which creates problems on a story level. It seems that way because it is that way. All they did was take Season 7, Episode 20 Journey's End and have the crew of the Enterprise do the exact opposite of what they had originally done.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 2, 2020 18:12:51 GMT -5
I read about that after the fact, yeah.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 2, 2020 18:25:32 GMT -5
Insurrection is definitely a step back from First Contact in a big way. Like you mentioned, it just feels like an extended episode and is bland to the core. It has a nice twist midway through, but after that offers little intrigue to carry the movie towards the finish line. I go back-and-forth on whether Insurrection or Nemesis are the worst of TNG movies, and it's sort of a toss up. Nemesis is the dumber movie that feels like the producers wanted to fight the complaints of Insurrection being dull and include poorly staged action and a simplistic antagonist. On the other hand, Insurrection isn't all that creative either and doesn't have the dumb fun that Nemesis does. Ah 2002, the year of franchise-killing lows with Nemesis and Die Another Day, and basically the death of our hopes for Star Wars with Attack of the Clones. Neverending is thankful we had Spider-Man and Two Towers that year or things could've been real bad.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 2, 2020 18:30:39 GMT -5
Insurrection is definitely a step back from First Contact in a big way. Like you mentioned, it just feels like an extended episode and is bland to the core. It has a nice twist midway through, but after that offers little intrigue to carry the movie towards the finish line. I go back-and-forth on whether Insurrection or Nemesis are the worst of TNG movies, and it's sort of a toss up. Nemesis is the dumber movie that feels like the producers wanted to fight the complaints of Insurrection being dull and include poorly staged action and a simplistic antagonist. On the other hand, Insurrection isn't all that creative either and doesn't have the dumb fun that Nemesis does. Ah 2002, the year of franchise-killing lows with Nemesis and Die Another Day, and basically the death of our hopes for Star Wars with Attack of the Clones. Neverending is thankful we had Spider-Man and Two Towers that year or things could've been real bad. PhantomKnight is appalled at your absence of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets on your good list. I'm appalled at lack of Reign of Fire also on said list.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 2, 2020 19:01:33 GMT -5
PhantomKnight is appalled at your absence of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets on your good list. I'm appalled at lack of Reign of Fire also on said list. Reign of Fire killed its franchise potential right away. I remember seeing that in theaters and thinking this should be cool and it's just not. And I was 12.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 2, 2020 19:06:52 GMT -5
PhantomKnight is appalled at your absence of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets on your good list. I'm appalled at lack of Reign of Fire also on said list. Reign of Fire killed its franchise potential right away. I remember seeing that in theaters and thinking this should be cool and it's just not. And I was 12. I was 18 and I'm still on for Reign of Fire. Shit, 2002 me was all about two movies: Spider-Man and Reign of Fire. Nothing else existed.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 2, 2020 19:15:45 GMT -5
Neverending is thankful we had Spider-Man and Two Towers that year or things could've been real bad. Spider-Man. I actually liked Men in Black II. First Ice Age came out. The Land Before Time of PG Cooper's generation. Lilo & Stitch. The Bourne Identity. Red Dragon which I really enjoy. Blade II. The first Barbershop. Jackass: The Movie. The Transporter. Spy Kids 2.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 2, 2020 19:18:13 GMT -5
2002 me was all about two movies: Spider-Man and Reign of Fire. Nothing else existed. And Minority Report.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 2, 2020 19:32:29 GMT -5
2002 me was all about two movies: Spider-Man and Reign of Fire. Nothing else existed. And Minority Report. I saw Minority Report, but I didn't think much of it. I was more into Catch Me If You Can that year, if we're talking Spielberg.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 2, 2020 19:35:51 GMT -5
Catch Me If You Can was a fantastic date movie, and is a great movie overall.
Few of my favorite Hanks and DiCaprio performances.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 2, 2020 19:43:56 GMT -5
Minority Report is awesome.
I remember being invited to go see it but then at the last minute my friend made us watch Men in Black II instead. I was pissed.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 2, 2020 20:05:10 GMT -5
I also really like Minority Report.
Crazy how well that "grounded future" holds up.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 2, 2020 20:11:41 GMT -5
I also really like Minority Report. Crazy how well that "grounded future" holds up. Most overlooked/underrated in Spielberg's resume? I think there's a good argument it is. In fact I think it's just an under appreciated movie in general. Easily one of the best sci-fi films of the last thirty years.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 2, 2020 20:13:14 GMT -5
I like Minority Report better today than I did back then. Catch Me If You Can was just more fun.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 2, 2020 20:24:13 GMT -5
I think they're both great and underappreciated comparative to Spielbergs work.
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