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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 14, 2016 17:04:39 GMT -5
Star Trek: The Motion Picture, I think, is the best Star Trek movie. I'm in the minority on that. BUT, Star Trek: The Voyage Home is definitely my favorite Star Trek movie. I'm definitely NOT in the minority on that. Motion Picture is a low-rent 2001: A Space Odyssey and 100 times more boring. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Oct 14, 2016 17:55:56 GMT -5
Star Trek: The Motion Picture, I think, is the best Star Trek movie. I'm in the minority on that. BUT, Star Trek: The Voyage Home is definitely my favorite Star Trek movie. I'm definitely NOT in the minority on that. Motion Picture is a low-rent 2001: A Space Odyssey and 100 times more boring. It's great if you're having a hard time getting to sleep, though. It puts me right out every time. The only other film I've found that's as effective at inducing sleep is THX-1138. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 23, 2016 18:44:57 GMT -5
STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER (1989)
Wow. I'd heard that Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was supposed to be the low point of the whole film franchise, but just hearing about it is one thing. Finally seeing it for yourself is something else entirely. Oh, where do I begin? Well, to start off, the story is not only terrible and convoluted, but also ungodly (no pun intended) boring. The Final Frontier's script was marred by a Writers' Strike, and boy does it show. First of all, the villain Sybok's plan -- at least the way he goes about it initially -- is needlessly convoluted. The one glaring flaw: if there are no ships on Nimbus III, where he is, then how did he even get on the planet in the first place? Beyond plotholes, the film has a severe lack of tension, excitement or urgency, despite the nature of the story itself, not to mention that the film is only 107 minutes, but feels like it's over 2 hours. Apparently, the original cut WAS actually over 2 hours, but was edited down and I think it's pretty obvious in this final version. A lot of things about this movie just feel disjointed and don't make a whole lot of sense. On top of that, the characters are often forced into dumb situations that don't mesh with this iteration of Star Trek: Uhura doing some kind of seductive dance as a distraction, Scotty saying how well he knows the layout of the ship before knocking himself out on a low-hanging metal pole (wah-wah!) and of course, Kirk, Bones and Spock singing "Row Your Boat" around a campfire. So much of this movie just had me saying "What?" in disbelief. On that subject, I swear there was use of some James Brown sound effects during a fight scene between Kirk and one of Sybok's cronies on Nimbus III. A lot of this is owed, I feel, to William Shatner, who makes his feature directorial debut with this. Especially compared with the last two films in the series directed by Leonard Nimoy, The Final Frontier feels like a couple steps back in nearly every conceivable way. Those issues concerning the story, tone, pacing, but the movie also looks kind of cheap with some of the effects. Admittedly, though, I can admire the film's intentions about tackling religion, and there are maybe a handful of good character moments occasionally, but the execution seriously misses the mark. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is undoubtedly the worst Star Trek film I've seen so far. */****
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 23, 2016 18:55:07 GMT -5
Wow. I'd heard that Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was supposed to be the low point of the whole film franchise, but just hearing about it is one thing. Finally seeing it for yourself is something else entirely. Yup. |
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 23, 2016 20:52:27 GMT -5
Just a couple steps back?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 23, 2016 21:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Nov 24, 2016 1:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 25, 2016 11:55:52 GMT -5
People still shudder in horror over the campfire scene. I can't even imagine directing actors through such a cringe-inducing experience. Silly Shatner.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 9, 2020 11:31:03 GMT -5
Memba this?
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991)
I've neglected finishing off the Star Trek films long enough. Now's as good a time as any to finally cross them off my list.
So, here we have The Undiscovered Country, the sixth film in the franchise overall and also the final send-off for the OG crew (though I'm aware some or all appear in Generations, too). And it's much more fitting that a movie of the quality of this be the one they go out on, rather than the abysmal The Final Frontier. As a finale for the original cast, it's more than worthy, and as a Star Trek film in general, it's easily one of my favorites so far. The plot involves the assassination of a Klingon ambassador in the midst of a peace treaty between them and The Federation, and the assassination being blamed on Kirk and the Enterprise. From there, everyone attempts to clear Kirk's name as he and McCoy are sent to a barren prison planet.
Already, the plot is a very exciting one. Not only is it full of tension and intrigue, as well as some core ideals of Star Trek, it doesn't feel too unnecessarily far-removed from the traditional Star Trek tone. Nicholas Meyer, of Wrath of Khan fame, returns to the director's chair here and he brings back with him the balance between adventurous escapism and Gene Rodenberry's vision that made that film so good in the first place. He also co-wrote the script. The plot feels pretty tightly constructed and is always engaging, providing both excitement and intrigue. Obviously, there's a central mystery as to who pulled off the assassination and while it's not difficult to spot one of the main conspirators early on, the movie always plays out in a way that keeps your attention. There's also a healthy dose of action mixed in, but never too much. And the characters are just as entertaining as always.
Like I said, The Undiscovered Country is a pretty prime example of Star Trek at its best, and sends its original crew off in a way that feels very satisfying.
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Post by Doomsday on May 9, 2020 12:32:30 GMT -5
‘Let them die.’
Great line.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 9, 2020 15:01:18 GMT -5
Undiscovered Country > Every Star Wars film
Except maybe Holiday Special.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 14, 2020 11:06:54 GMT -5
Star Trek: Generations (1994)
Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country served as a very satisfying sendoff for me for the original crew. Despite my never having seen an episode of the show, the movies still worked well enough in the regard that I could still understand the characters to a degree to get attached to them. And now we come to Star Trek: Generations. This is the movie meant to "bridge the gap" between the old and new crew...yet it came after The Next Generation TV show had been on the air for seven years. And that's the root of the problem here. Okay, so the movie starts out strong, with Kirk, Scotty and Chekov forced to help in a rescue operation that happens in the midst of a publicity stunt for a new crew on the Enterprise. This comprises the first 20 minutes or so and functions as a pretty thrilling little mini movie in its own right, and also sets up the villain Soren effectively. Of course, it culminates in Kirk's apparent death, and it's a moment the movie knows how to play, i.e. quiet and dignified. After that...the movie jumps ahead 78 years and basically starts all over again as we're introduced to the TNG crew. Here's where the movie starts running into issues. So, like I said, I haven't watched an episode of any Star Trek show, but by this point, TNG had been on the air for a while. Naturally, I'd assume the filmmakers would want to find a way to ease the audience into these new characters rather than just plopping them into the middle of everything. Cause I guarantee you that this movie won't be watched only by fans who've consumed every piece of Star Trek content up to this point. But, nope. They either just assume you already are a fan or just don't care, because it's full steam ahead regardless. The introduction to the crew here is just strange. It happens with a scene in a simulation where they're acting like the crew of a Naval vessel in, I guess, pirate times and it feels like the beginning of just another TNG episode instead of their first theatrical movie. Not only that, but Captain Picard is dealt an emotional blow pretty much right away that just means nothing to someone like me, which he spends a good deal of time afterward moping about. Then you've got a subplot with Data about an emotion-enhancing chip that is pretty clearly a plot thread already established on the show because it comes up in a fashion that's like "remember this?" That and it leads to comic relief that...doesn't always land. But this is my point: Generations doesn't function enough as a standalone movie. By shackling itself so much to the storylines and characterization already established on the show without properly introducing anybody or anything to potential new audience members, it creates an automatic disconnect. However, the movie isn't without its positives. The special effects and battle scenes are rendered well. The first 20 minutes are genuinely engaging, though definitely in a peaked-too-early kind of way. Malcolm McDowell makes Soren a solid villain. Despite my reservations about the way he and everybody else is introduced, Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard makes for a very strong presence and works as his own character rather than be someone in the shadow of Kirk. And you've also got the sequence where he and Kirk meet up in The Nexus and get to share some pretty good scenes together. But overall, Star Trek: Generations is a pretty disappointing start to this new set of movies. By hedging its bets so much on the assumption that its audience is already TNG fans, it automatically loses those who aren't, making for a film where my admiration for its actual positives can only go so far.
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Post by Neverending on May 14, 2020 11:38:36 GMT -5
This would be like watching Avengers: Endgame without having watched any Marvel movie.
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Post by Dracula on May 14, 2020 11:52:51 GMT -5
Star Trek: Generations (1994)
Here's where the movie starts running into issues. So, like I said, I haven't watched an episode of any Star Trek show, but by this point, TNG had been on the air for a while. Naturally, I'd assume the filmmakers would want to find a way to ease the audience into these new characters rather than just plopping them into the middle of everything. Cause I guarantee you that this movie won't be watched only by fans who've consumed every piece of Star Trek content up to this point. But, nope. They either just assume you already are a fan or just don't care, because it's full steam ahead regardless. The introduction to the crew here is just strange. It happens with a scene in a simulation where they're acting like the crew of a Naval vessel in, I guess, pirate times and it feels like the beginning of just another TNG episode instead of their first theatrical movie. Not only that, but Captain Picard is dealt an emotional blow pretty much right away that just means nothing to someone like me, which he spends a good deal of time afterward moping about. Doing a movie about a show that's in the midst of airing is a little different than doing a movie series that's reviving a show that was canceled fifteen years earlier. First Contact will probably throw you even more if you don't have the background. If you have access you may want to watch a pair of TNG episodes called "The Best of Both Worlds Parts 1 & 2" before watching that one. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 14, 2020 12:13:40 GMT -5
TNG is on Netflix, so that'll be easy enough.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 14, 2020 18:44:01 GMT -5
I'm not an avid viewer of the show either and I agree with your points about Generations. It's not bad but it never comes together as both a send-off to the old and an introduction to the new despite some good moments.
First Contact is the best of TNG movies by far so you'll enjoy that one at least. The other two... eh...
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Post by Doomsday on May 14, 2020 18:49:57 GMT -5
Just wait until Insurrection and Worf's pimples. Electrifying stuff.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 14, 2020 18:51:40 GMT -5
Just wait until Insurrection and Worf's pimples. Electrifying stuff.  |
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 14, 2020 19:04:20 GMT -5
Just wait until Insurrection and Worf's pimples. Electrifying stuff. was bad enough, but Insurrection was the point when the movies completely lost their way. Everything about that movie was wrong. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 14, 2020 19:10:43 GMT -5
Insurrection could have been so good if they amped up the concept they had in a more interesting direction. Instead it was fluffed filler.
Fuck that movie. Worse than Nemesis. My word is law.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 14, 2020 19:28:27 GMT -5
Insurrection works well with the initial twist.
It's where the movie goes from there that it falls apart.
It's also probably the dullest of all the Star Trek films and definitely the most forgettable along with the Motion Picture on both accounts.
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Post by Neverending on May 14, 2020 19:43:03 GMT -5
Insurrection works well with the initial twist. It's where the movie goes from there that it falls apart. It's also probably the dullest of all the Star Trek films and definitely the most forgettable along with the Motion Picture on both accounts. Motion Picture is the best Star Trek |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 14, 2020 19:49:41 GMT -5
Insurrection works well with the initial twist. It's where the movie goes from there that it falls apart. It's also probably the dullest of all the Star Trek films and definitely the most forgettable along with the Motion Picture on both accounts. Motion Picture is the best Star Trek Now you're just trolling. |
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Post by Neverending on May 14, 2020 20:00:17 GMT -5
Motion Picture is the best Star Trek Now you're just trolling. ------ I'm not gonna create a new thread, so I'm dumping this here: DECEMBER 12, 2011I obviously cooled down on The Undiscovered Country. I actually watched it again on Labor Day since it was airing on the SyFy Channel and I now see why the movie doesn't resonate. Captain Kirk's portrayal seems false and forced to me. His blind hatred of the Klingons was ridiculous and to use his dead son, who he barely cared about in the other movies, is eye rolling. It's a good movie, but Knerys is crazy to call it the best. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 14, 2020 20:05:42 GMT -5
The Motion Picture has the wormhole scene, which is quite possibly the most hilarious scene in the history of Star Trek.
I don't blame anybody for loving it.
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