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Post by Neverending on Dec 3, 2017 20:47:54 GMT -5
This is why Mirko shut down ComingSoon.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 3, 2017 20:51:56 GMT -5
This is why Mirko shut down ComingSoon. Too much positivity about superhero movies?
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Post by Neverending on Dec 3, 2017 20:54:32 GMT -5
This is why Mirko shut down ComingSoon. Too much positivity about superhero movies? Irrational love for Man of Steel.
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Post by frankyt on Dec 3, 2017 21:17:36 GMT -5
Man of steel was shit.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 3, 2017 21:38:07 GMT -5
"effective story structure" Really? The event that starts off the actual story is Clark just happening to overhear some people discussing a dig in the arctic, and deducing that it must have something to do with him, even though he has no reason whatsoever to believe so. After going to the arctic and finding the Kryptonian ship, his holographic father tells him about his homeworld, and even mentions someone named Zod who caused a lot of trouble. When Zod shows up the very next day, instead of going back to get advice from holo-Dad, Clark goes to church and asks a priest for advice so that we can all see Superman stand in front of a stained glass window of Jesus wearing a red cape. "compelling characters" If you like having a whiny, emo Kal-El who hasn't got the slightest bit of common sense, a Johnathan Kent who chastises his son because he didn't allow all of his classmates to drown, or a villain who's dedicated his entire life to preserving the Kryptonian way of life, but tosses it all aside as soon as he has the opportunity to achieve his goal to rebuild his lost society. The cast, the action scenes, the score, the special effects, the story outline, the cinematography, the editing, the general sense of grandeur... The DCEU was off to a good start before they decided they were going to copy the Marvel formula in the most backwards and half-assed way possible. "the story outline" Seriously? By wording this the way you have, it's clear you recognize that the actual story doesn't make any sense. This is a finished movie, not a summary done during the development stage of the project. What does it matter if a movie has great action, music, visuals, etc. if the story doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny?
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Post by Dracula on Dec 3, 2017 22:00:29 GMT -5
"effective story structure" Really? The event that starts off the actual story is Clark just happening to overhear some people discussing a dig in the arctic, and deducing that it must have something to do with him, even though he has no reason whatsoever to believe so. After going to the arctic and finding the Kryptonian ship, his holographic father tells him about his homeworld, and even mentions someone named Zod who caused a lot of trouble. When Zod shows up the very next day, instead of going back to get advice from holo-Dad, Clark goes to church and asks a priest for advice so that we can all see Superman stand in front of a stained glass window of Jesus wearing a red cape. "compelling characters" If you like having a whiny, emo Kal-El who hasn't got the slightest bit of common sense, a Johnathan Kent who chastises his son because he didn't allow all of his classmates to drown, or a villain who's dedicated his entire life to preserving the Kryptonian way of life, but tosses it all aside as soon as he has the opportunity to achieve his goal to rebuild his lost society. The cast, the action scenes, the score, the special effects, the story outline, the cinematography, the editing, the general sense of grandeur... The DCEU was off to a good start before they decided they were going to copy the Marvel formula in the most backwards and half-assed way possible. "the story outline" Seriously? By wording this the way you have, it's clear you recognize that the actual story doesn't make any sense. This is a finished movie, not a summary done during the development stage of the project. What does it matter if a movie has great action, music, visuals, etc. if the story doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny? Well, I would have just said "the script" but I wouldn't say the dialogue is anything too special and there are a couple of scenes that maybe could have been re-thought a little. Given that this is a superhero action movie I think the fact that it has great action, music, visuals, etc. matters quite a bit, and while I don't remember the particulars of the scenes you're mentioning they certainly didn't bother me at the time. I thought humanizing Superman was a logical choice and didn't have a problem with them having a different spin on Johnathan Kent. I should maybe point out that I'm not very attached to the "traditional" take on Superman and actually kind of dislike it, so these things seemed more like welcome reinventions rather than blasphemies to me. I don't know what you're talking about with Zod, the dude is pretty actively trying to rebuild society right up until his terraforming machines are destroyed. I would agree that the scene in the church is kind of wack.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 3, 2017 22:56:17 GMT -5
Since we're all posting our old reviews...
Man of Steel
There's a scene in Man of Steel where Lois Lane is explaining to some military commanders that she knows how to stop the invading Kryptonians. She mentions how Superman's ship has phantom technology and that they should collide that with the evil Zod's ship when she is immediately interrupted by a General who states that, obviously, it will create a black hole. What? How did he know that? Does he have some inside information on Kryptonian phantom technology? Such is the level of stupidity that Man of Steel falls toward, making a film so rushed, at times so idiotic that you almost wish Richard Donner was brought on board just to do a once-over. Man of Steel is a big, loud, clunky film that movie studios have been gravitating toward for years, hoping that spectacle and visual effects will blind viewers to the fact that the script was maybe 8 pages of dialogue, dialogue so inane that it not only leaves nothing to the imagination but makes no sense.
The film opens with Jor-El delivering his son, destined to be the Man of Steel, which conveniently coincides with a) the imminent destruction of Krypton, and b) a coup by the nefarious General Zod. Within minutes, Zod begins a war with Krypon's council, Jor-El steals the 'Codex' containing the genetic lifeblood of Krypton, Zod kills Jor-El but not before seeing Kal-El rocket into space, is defeated in his coup and sentenced to the phantom zone. Oh, and Krypton blows up. Quite a lot to absorb in less than ten minutes, but there's no time because we need to get to Superman on Earth. Everything on Krypton is stylistically ripped from other films. The setting as well as Zod/Jor-El chase is eerily reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels, the baby fields of Krypton are cut and pasted from The Matrix (I'm sure a lawsuit is pending as we speak), the phantom zone freeze was like some Demolition Man hybrid, the list goes on. And it would be too easy to mention the District 9 looking ships hovering over Metropolis(?) before watching the climax which could very well have been Avengers outtakes. There isn't an original idea in this movie because the (lack of) script couldn't afford any ingenuity, we had to get to the action.
The idea of even being a 'Super Man' is glossed over in this film compared to the previous incarnation. While working in the Arctic, Clark discovers a Kryptonian ship where he encounters the consciousness of his long dead father. In the few moments he's on the ship, Jor-El tells Clark of his true past, including the destruction of Krypton and the imprisonment of General Zod. He gives him a new suit that happens to be on board for some reason and tells Clark to go be the god of the humans. This series of events took place maybe over a few hours in movie time, if not much shorter. In the original Donner film, Clark likewise gets a briefing from Jor-El in the Fortress of Solitude. The main difference between the two is that Marlon Brando's Jor-El taught and guided Clark for a decade rather than just a few moments. We saw Clark's motivations and understood where he perfected his understanding of humanity and balanced his own moral compass. We understood Superman. Man of Steel doesn't afford us that time. We are given the brief encounter with Jor-El but almost immediately Superman must go defend humanity against General Zod. It's as if the filmmakers assume we already know who these people are so they just don't care to dish out more than the bare minimum.
Quick, describe the character of Lois Lane for me. How about Perry White? Jonathan Kent? Were they funny? Serious? Skeptical? Have any unique character attributes? No, they have none of those things. They exist solely to recite dialogue and keep whatever story that was created moving along. You feel nothing for these characters, whether they're trapped under a bus or sharing an intimate moment with Kal. Either way, again it's hard to build suspense when characters are in peril and you don't even know their names. At least Margot Kidder had this straight-forward but naive approach that made her and Superman gravitate towards each other. Lois Lane is hamfistedly brought along for the ride. Why did she need to go in Zod's spacecraft at all, other than to conveniently release Jor-El's consciousness? Why did she need to go on the cargo plane to deliver Clark's ship? Couldn't she have just as easily said 'just put this piece into that piece.' Nothing in this film is explained, and that which is explained makes no sense. So Jor-El just had a suit on his ship that was locked in the ice? Did every ship have a suit? You know, just in case his yet to be born son wound up on that planet alone and just happened to be near a sun that afforded him super powers? Or did Jor-El's consciousness just whip one up? His consciousness also took control of Zod's ship, claiming that 'he built it.' So how was Zod able to take it back over so easily? Couldn't Jor-El have locked him out, shut down the ship, or launched him into space? How did the scientist know that the gravity attacks were attempts at terraforming? The banal script just shines through, an no amount of action can fix a bad script. No matter how grandiose or extravagant the action pieces are, they can only make up for so much.
I will give credit to Michael Shannon, however. He was reserved when he needed to be and was able to display not just the treachery but also the logic of his character. He's not just hell-bent on mass destruction and genocide, he at least has reasons for his actions (I think this character trait was a complete accident).
Suffice to say, I was no fan of Man of Steel. Say what you will about Superman Returns or the first two Reeves films, at least those had some heart to them. There was depth to characters. I'll take that any day over the bombardment to my senses. So again, we're still waiting on a Superman movie that stands above the rest as the Superman film. As of now, it still belongs to the first one.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 3, 2017 23:32:02 GMT -5
Well, I would have just said "the script" but I wouldn't say the dialogue is anything too special and there are a couple of scenes that maybe could have been re-thought a little. Given that this is a superhero action movie I think the fact that it has great action, music, visuals, etc. matters quite a bit, and while I don't remember the particulars of the scenes you're mentioning they certainly didn't bother me at the time. I thought humanizing Superman was a logical choice and didn't have a problem with them having a different spin on Johnathan Kent. I should maybe point out that I'm not very attached to the "traditional" take on Superman and actually kind of dislike it, so these things seemed more like welcome reinventions rather than blasphemies to me. I don't know what you're talking about with Zod, the dude is pretty actively trying to rebuild society right up until his terraforming machines are destroyed. I would agree that the scene in the church is kind of wack. Zod's drive to forge a new Krypton did not require the destruction of humanity. Quite the opposite, in fact. He wanted to rebuild the Kryptonian society that he swore to protect. Zod was so dedicated to the goal of preserving his way of life that he regulated the environment of his starship to ensure that the effects of our yellow sun didn't cause any blasphemous biological changes in himself or his crew. A new Krypton could only be built in a star system with a red sun. Establishing a new homeworld in the Solar system would result in a whole new society, due to the radical changes our sun causes in Kryptonians. If he had just taken the ship with the birthing matrix to an appropriate star system, Zod could have accomplished his mission to save his people. Superman would have been happy to go along with such a plan. Instead, Zod makes a bunch of nonsensical decisions that defeat his entire purpose because David Goyer is a terrible writer. Having Zod be a tyrannical would-be dictator who dreams of conquest and doesn't care about preserving Kryptonian society would have solved all his problems. Such a Zod would want to colonize Earth and birth an entire race of beings with godlike power to force the universe to KNEEL BEFORE ZOD. Instead, Goyer wanted to make Zod noble, in his own single-minded fashion, but fumbled it entirely.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 3, 2017 23:43:45 GMT -5
Well, I would have just said "the script" but I wouldn't say the dialogue is anything too special and there are a couple of scenes that maybe could have been re-thought a little. Given that this is a superhero action movie I think the fact that it has great action, music, visuals, etc. matters quite a bit, and while I don't remember the particulars of the scenes you're mentioning they certainly didn't bother me at the time. I thought humanizing Superman was a logical choice and didn't have a problem with them having a different spin on Johnathan Kent. I should maybe point out that I'm not very attached to the "traditional" take on Superman and actually kind of dislike it, so these things seemed more like welcome reinventions rather than blasphemies to me. I don't know what you're talking about with Zod, the dude is pretty actively trying to rebuild society right up until his terraforming machines are destroyed. I would agree that the scene in the church is kind of wack. Zod's drive to forge a new Krypton did not require the destruction of humanity. Quite the opposite, in fact. He wanted to rebuild the Kryptonian society that he swore to protect. Zod was so dedicated to the goal of preserving his way of life that he regulated the environment of his starship to ensure that the effects of our yellow sun didn't cause any blasphemous biological changes in himself or his crew. A new Krypton could only be built in a star system with a red sun. Establishing a new homeworld in the Solar system would result in a whole new society, due to the radical changes our sun causes in Kryptonians. If he had just taken the ship with the birthing matrix to an appropriate star system, Zod could have accomplished his mission to save his people. Superman would have been happy to go along with such a plan. Instead, Zod makes a bunch of nonsensical decisions that defeat his entire purpose because David Goyer is a terrible writer. Having Zod be a tyrannical would-be dictator who dreams of conquest and doesn't care about preserving Kryptonian society would have solved all his problems. Such a Zod would want to colonize Earth and birth an entire race of beings with godlike power to force the universe to KNEEL BEFORE ZOD. Instead, Goyer wanted to make Zod noble, in his own single-minded fashion, but fumbled it entirely. I think you're overthinking this a little. The dude wanted to reforge Krypton and he unleashed terraforming machines to make that happen. All this gobbledygook about what color the sun is seems pretty beside the point.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 4, 2017 0:05:19 GMT -5
Even leaving aside the yellow sun, there's still no reason to transform Earth into New Krypton. Going somewhere else isn't some crazy solution. It's the obvious one. Killing seven billion people because you don't feel like taking a day to go somewhere uninhabited when you have the means to do so is absurd.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 4, 2017 0:52:58 GMT -5
Are we gonna ignore that turning Earth into New Krypton is the same fucking plot from Superman Returns?
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 4, 2017 1:37:15 GMT -5
And that Lois Lane had 0 reasons to be brought aboard that ship?
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Post by Neverending on Dec 4, 2017 1:56:43 GMT -5
And that Lois Lane had 0 reasons to be brought aboard that ship? Are we talking about Superman Returns, Man of Steel or both?
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Post by Dracula on Dec 4, 2017 8:29:52 GMT -5
Are we gonna ignore that turning Earth into New Krypton is the same fucking plot from Superman Returns? If I recall correctly the plot of Superman Returns involved Lex Luthor trying to create a continent, not terraform the entire planet, and I don't remember the continent having anything to do with Krypton but I could be mistaken.
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Are we gonna ignore that turning Earth into New Krypton is the same fucking plot from Superman Returns? Don't forget Superman: The Movie. The villains of Superman do always seem to be obsessed with the acquisition of real estate.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 4, 2017 17:58:41 GMT -5
Are we gonna ignore that turning Earth into New Krypton is the same fucking plot from Superman Returns? If I recall correctly the plot of Superman Returns involved Lex Luthor trying to create a continent, not terraform the entire planet, and I don't remember the continent having anything to do with Krypton but I could be mistaken. Are we gonna ignore that turning Earth into New Krypton is the same fucking plot from Superman Returns? Don't forget Superman: The Movie. The villains of Superman do always seem to be obsessed with the acquisition of real estate.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 10, 2017 12:48:32 GMT -5
Coco, without Olaf this time, continued to be #1 at the box office. Its 3-week total is $135.5 million.
Opening on Thursday...
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 11, 2017 0:46:07 GMT -5
WB reportedly became the first studio of 2017 to reach the $2 billion mark at the box office this weekend. This number has little to do with actual studio profits, of course. With three major losses this year via King Arthur, Geostorm and Justice League, I suspect things aren't as rosy for WB as the box office numbers would otherwise point towards. At least they're not in the same boat as Parmount.
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WB reportedly became the first studio of 2017 to reach the $2 billion mark at the box office this weekend. This number has little to do with actual studio profits, of course. With three major losses this year via King Arthur, Geostorm and Justice League, I suspect things aren't as rosy for WB as the box office numbers would otherwise point towards. At least they're not in the same boat as Parmount. IT only cost $35 million. They'll use the profits from that to cover for Geostorm and Blade Runner. Wonder Woman and Dunkirk covered for King Arthur. Justice League is the one that got fucked because Warner Bros has no major releases until March. Overall, they probably broke even in 2017 and are crossing their fingers for a little push if Dunkirk becomes an awards darling. Disney, on the other hand, was remarkable. Last year they had flops like Alice 2, The BFG and Pete's Dragon. The worse they did this year was Pirates 5 which wasn't a total disaster. Cars 3 "flopped" too but that series makes its money from merchandise sales. Universal was the oddball this year. No major hits, domestically at least, but their budgets were so low, it was mostly profits for them. Split and Get Out, along with the success of Warner Bros' IT, made this a great year for horror. The Mummy was a notable flop but its budget was a relatively modest $125 million. Similar situation with The Great Wall. You can argue they did better than Warner Bros this year. Now let's look at Fox since Disney is about to buy them. No major hits. No small films that did well, unless you count Hidden Figures or maybe even Murder on the Orient Express. But surprisingly, they had no major flops either. Alien Covenant only cost $97 million to make. The Apes and Kingsman underperformed but they'll have an afterlife on home media. They managed to turn an R-rated Wolverine into a hit - their biggest hit of the year. If they could have gotten at least ONE major hit, they could have been the #2 studio this year.
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Post by Fanible on Dec 11, 2017 11:50:22 GMT -5
You only have to look at the averages. This is where Disney has started to become quite impressive, especially in the last five years. They have always produced less films, but now most of their releases have been big financial hits, with a great majority critically as well. So despite the continued lower number of releases, they've been outselling all the others.
WB has always been the opposite. They always pump out as many films as possible across a wider range. With WB's high amount of releases along with the spillovers, 2017 hasn't been any different. Of their 31 movies (18 new releases), they are averaging about 64 million per film. By comparison, Disney only has had 11 films (7 new), with an average of 164 million.
Obviously Disney will come out at #1 again this year after the release of Star Wars. You could definitely argue that they're playing a riskier game (you never know when one or more will bomb big of the few), but it's definitely paying off for the time being.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 11, 2017 19:15:42 GMT -5
You only have to look at the averages. This is where Disney has started to become quite impressive, especially in the last five years. They have always produced less films, but now most of their releases have been big financial hits, with a great majority critically as well. So despite the continued lower number of releases, they've been outselling all the others. WB has always been the opposite. They always pump out as many films as possible across a wider range. With WB's high amount of releases along with the spillovers, 2017 hasn't been any different. Of their 31 movies (18 new releases), they are averaging about 64 million per film. By comparison, Disney only has had 11 films (7 new), with an average of 164 million. Obviously Disney will come out at #1 again this year after the release of Star Wars. You could definitely argue that they're playing a riskier game (you never know when one or more will bomb big of the few), but it's definitely paying off for the time being. Disney releases less movies, but all their movies have budgets of $200+ million. WB releases a shit-ton but most are mid-budget movies. If Blade Runner and Justice League hadn’t flopped, their profit margin for 2017 would have been higher than Disney.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 17, 2017 12:49:53 GMT -5
Star Wars: The Last Jedi opened to $220 million. By comparison, The Force Awakens opened to $247 million.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 17, 2017 13:28:20 GMT -5
BOMB!
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Its made more money in three days than Justice League has in a month.
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TANKED!
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