A Nightmare on Elm St Reboot..Again

I hated the reboot, it was the worst of the series by far (yeah, THAT bad) and was totally ineffective. Haley made a good Krueger but was given nothing to work with. I'd rather have them just leave it alone, but we know that's never going to happen. I think going for a horror approach is the way to go, but in the right hands a more horror/comedy approach could be more effective, though this series isn't likely to attract someone who could pull it off.

Here's what I don't understand, and this is going to turn into a large rant about reboots/remakes in general...

At some point in time (the late 70s/80s, could be wrong - dont feel like browsing the net at the moment), a slew of iconic horror figures were created - Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason Voorhies, Pinhead. They all came out around the same time, and they were such a hit that those characters are staples of entertainment and universally recognized.

Additionally, you had all these iconic action stars (Stallone, Governator, etc.) coming out in these amazing action movies as iconic heroes such as Terminator, Rambo, Rocky, etc.

And now? We might get a Jason Statham here or there, but no one iconic who is universally and globally loved and will be heralded for years and years to come. What is the last horror icon created? Jigsaw? No, not really.

I just don't understand why we had this era in time when all these incredible, iconic icons came out in droves, and now no one can do that anymore. Instead of anyone bringing something iconic and new to the table, they just go back to the old icons and reboot them. Is it really that impossible to come up with something? Do we have to keep having Star Wars movies churned out over and over again? Don't get me wrong, I love SW, but it's a cheap way to release something attached to a name people love instead of someone giving us a new world and a new universe to watch.

Someone explain to me like I'm 5 why creativity and writing seems to be universally lacking. Please.

I hope so, I'm definitely not being the crotchety old man complaining about the studios ruining my childhood with shitty remakes and all that, I still have the originals to have and enjoy, and no shitty remake can take that away from those. However, I am quite upset all they want to do is give me more (and poorly, at that) of what I have already seen and enjoyed. Give me something new, something else I can love and enjoy. I really wasn't all that excited about new Star Wars, but the inclusion of the old cast has me really happy because it feels less like a reboot/remake, and more of a continuation of the original trilogy. That I can appreciate.

I did love Dream Warriors.

So any picks on the best replacement if Robert Englund is not invited back, which he probably won't be but he is the best.

I remember a rumor about Billy Bob Thornton being Freddy in the first reboot. I would be really interested in seeing that.

Also, the makeup has to be real, no CGI.

The Dream Child was horrible, definitely a step down from Dream Master.  These films all suffer from stupid adult syndrome, but wow was it awful in Dream Child.  You'd think by the 5th film that the adults would listen to their children more and take more precautions to keep them from being murdered, and yet her parents (I believe it was mostly the mother) were so extremely outlandish about the whole affair.  Freddy's Dead is bad, yes, but does have some mildly amusing sequences even if, like you said, none of it makes any sense.  The only good entries in the series are 1, 3, and New Nightmare.  The rest are crap, just in varying degrees of crappy.

Despite the faults of the movies though, I could always appreciate the effects and their attempts to try to do something.  The remake was devoid of any horror, humor, signature dream sequences, anything!  I'll watch Freddy's Dead 5 more times before the remake again, it sucked.

Yeah, Dream Master was just as big a mess as Dream Child concept-wise, but there was some really solid production value behind it all that makes it a bit easier to excuse.

My rank (because we all love ranking things on here)
1. The original
2. Dream Warriors
3. New Nightmare (it totally counts, I don't see how it doesn't)
4. Dream Master
5. Freddy's Revenge (who's up for some towel whipping deaths!? yeah!)
6. Freddy's Dead
7. Dream Child
8. Remake

I'd probably slot Freddy vs. Jason somewhere around Dream Master. That movie is always better to me when I'm not watching it. It's a lot of fun when they actually fight and interact and it's a trainwreck of poor acting and worse subplots when they're not on screen. Has it's moments, but could've been a lot more creative and fun if they had done more with the plot.

Well, it's basically a Nightmare movie with Jason doing all the killing. Freddy is essentially the bad guy since most of the effort is to stay awake and it takes place in his universe. Jason is just there to bumble around and do Freddy's dirty work, and we only see Crystal Lake in an opening dream sequence. So yeah, it's a Nightmare film with Jason in it.

I wouldn't mind seeing them try something like this again. I know bringing Ash into the mix was always the pipedream sequel, but even without him a sequel could work. They need to be more creative. Start it out in Springwood or Crystal Lake but then take it to hell, space, somewhere! Sure, have some people in the middle of it all to act as fodder, but they can be a lot more creative with it then they were and they should keep the plot focused on the two we want to see, not these shitty teenagers. I know there's a lot of screenplays that were written for Freddy vs. Jason that were scrapped, and while they weren't great they definitely tried. I think one of them even starts in medieval times. Them teaming up against Ash is still so fun, even if it all seems like a fan fiction no matter how you spin it.

I need to go back and rewatch most of them before ranking but I always ranked part 2 pretty high. It was probably 1, 3, 2, and the rest fall behind those three.

I never got the hate for 2. I mean you could gripe about the gayness of it I guess but that never bothered me. It was dark. Probably the scariest Freddy of the series but the story lacked so that is why it sits behind 3.

It isn't exaggerated. The screenwriter admitted he made it gay as hell and the lead said he new what was going on too.

This article goes over it pretty well.

decider.com/2014/10/06/nightmare-on-elm-street-gay/