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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2015 17:29:40 GMT -5
Most people don't even know WHY they like Goldfinger. And apparently, that includes you. Goldfinger created the formula, and that's great, but that's not WHY it's a great movie. It's a great movie because it challenges the perception of James Bond. But if that's the case, he's challenging a perception that hadn't been established yet. This was only the third movie. They didn't know that we'd be sitting here a half-century later talking about everything in between. But that happens throughout the series. He's constantly getting captured, getting innocent people and lovers killed, being tricked and double-crossed and tortured and destroying stuff and just mucking things up before a climactic finale. That's not necessarily his character but they're elements to add tension and conflict which over time also became formula. I just don't buy this idea that Goldfinger is 'automatically' the best because it did one thing or another. Pound for pound Casino Royale is a much better standalone movie than Goldfinger. Now I won't argue with anyone if Goldfinger is their favorite movie or anything but this notion that Goldfinger is #1 and will always be #1 no matter what is absurd and it's about time someone (me) addresses it. You hear me? I'm takin it to the streets! Who's with me? Guys? Guys? |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2015 18:21:06 GMT -5
He kills Oddjob, he uses his sex skills to turn Pussy Galore straight and make her want to betray Goldfinger by switching the gas canisters, he... kills Oddjob. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 4, 2015 18:27:25 GMT -5
It was disappointing. He didn't even escape from the laser machine in an interesting way.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 4, 2015 18:57:58 GMT -5
People don't know why they love Goldfinger? Maybe YOU don't like Goldfinger.
For the record, I watched the 3 Craig movies over the last couple days and I no longer think Skyfall is all that great. It's kinda dull, it doesn't make sense a half dozen times, and Bond loses every step of the way.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 19:21:40 GMT -5
Most people don't even know WHY they like Goldfinger. And apparently, that includes you. Goldfinger created the formula, and that's great, but that's not WHY it's a great movie. It's a great movie because it challenges the perception of James Bond. But if that's the case, he's challenging a perception that hadn't been established yet. This was only the third movie. They didn't know that we'd be sitting here a half-century later talking about everything in between. James Bond existed before Dr. No. There was the books, the 1950's TV adaptation of Casino Royale, and a newspaper comic strip. James Bond, as a character, was very well established by the time Goldfinger rolled around. That's why the movie opens with a mini standalone adventure. We see James Bond blow up a factory, kiss a girl and kill a bad guy before the main story begins. Then, we see James Bond do anything but fail. The movie sets up the myth of James Bond and then deconstructs it. The difference is that James Bond actually saves the day in other movies. That doesn't happen in Goldfinger. He didn't change the gas tanks. He didn't warn the CIA. He didn't stop the bomb. James Bond is as useless in Goldfinger as Indiana Jones is in Raiders of the Lost Ark. But in both cases, it doesn't matter. People watch these movies for the character and the adventure. |
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2015 19:22:49 GMT -5
I'm the same way. I still like Skyfall a lot but it's not a very consistent movie. And how in the course of 2 movies do we go from Bond being the new, arrogant, immature agent to the aged, outdated agent who has to prove that he hasn't lost a step?
Speaking of Bond, isn't there anyone who still posts here who lives in England and has seen SPECTRE yet?
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 19:24:39 GMT -5
I'm the same way. I still like Skyfall a lot but it's not a very consistent movie. And how in the course of 2 movies do we go from Bond being the new, arrogant, immature agent to the aged, outdated agent who has to prove that he hasn't lost a step? Speaking of Bond, isn't there anyone who still posts here who lives in England and has seen SPECTRE yet? But he works for Warner Bros now and isn't allowed to talk about other studios. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2015 19:33:04 GMT -5
But if that's the case, he's challenging a perception that hadn't been established yet. This was only the third movie. They didn't know that we'd be sitting here a half-century later talking about everything in between. James Bond existed before Dr. No. There was the books, the 1950's TV adaptation of Casino Royale, and a newspaper comic strip. James Bond, as a character, was very well established by the time Goldfinger rolled around. That's why the movie opens with a mini standalone adventure. We see James Bond blow up a factory, kiss a girl and kill a bad guy before the main story begins. Then, we see James Bond do anything but fail. The movie sets up the myth of James Bond and then deconstructs it. The difference is that James Bond actually saves the day in other movies. That doesn't happen in Goldfinger. He didn't change the gas tanks. He didn't warn the CIA. He didn't stop the bomb. James Bond is as useless in Goldfinger as Indiana Jones is in Raiders of the Lost Ark. But in both cases, it doesn't matter. People watch these movies for the character and the adventure. If not for James bond that scientist guy who switched off the bomb would have had his head cut off by Oddjob's hat and then Kaboom. Actually, scratch that, he wouldn't have even made it to the gold vault because Pussy Galore wouldn't have switched the gas cans because Bond wouldn't have fucked her into joining the good guys. So yes, Bond did save the day. |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 19:38:44 GMT -5
James Bond existed before Dr. No. There was the books, the 1950's TV adaptation of Casino Royale, and a newspaper comic strip. James Bond, as a character, was very well established by the time Goldfinger rolled around. That's why the movie opens with a mini standalone adventure. We see James Bond blow up a factory, kiss a girl and kill a bad guy before the main story begins. Then, we see James Bond do anything but fail. The movie sets up the myth of James Bond and then deconstructs it. The difference is that James Bond actually saves the day in other movies. That doesn't happen in Goldfinger. He didn't change the gas tanks. He didn't warn the CIA. He didn't stop the bomb. James Bond is as useless in Goldfinger as Indiana Jones is in Raiders of the Lost Ark. But in both cases, it doesn't matter. People watch these movies for the character and the adventure. If not for James bond that scientist guy who switched off the bomb would have had his head cut off by Oddjob's hat and then Kaboom. Actually, scratch that, he wouldn't have even made it to the gold vault because Pussy Galore wouldn't have switched the gas cans because Bond wouldn't have fucked her into joining the good guys. So yes, Bond did save the day. Oddjob would have probably been killed in the gunfire. And it's questionable if Pussy Galore was ever in Goldfingers side. She just wanted the money. |
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Post by donny on Nov 4, 2015 21:21:59 GMT -5
I think it may be a bit too long, but to me skyfall still holds up.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 23:23:18 GMT -5
I'm like 90 minutes into Casino Royale. For a Bond movie that supposedly has no gadget, James Bond relies a lot on his Sony Ericsson. Keep in mind this movie came out in 2006. The iPhone hadn't even come out yet. And this motherfucker is doing surveillance work on a Sony Ericsson.
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 4, 2015 23:38:03 GMT -5
While we're at it, I fucking love everything about The Man with The Golden Gun besides the sheriff.
Also, Herve Villachaize makes a 10 times more convincing midget than Oddjob.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 5, 2015 0:21:47 GMT -5
I'm like 90 minutes into Casino Royale. For a Bond movie that supposedly has no gadget, James Bond relies a lot on his Sony Ericsson. Keep in mind this movie came out in 2006. The iPhone hadn't even come out yet. And this motherfucker is doing surveillance work on a Sony Ericsson. The logo at the beginning of the movie might have a little something to do with that. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 5, 2015 0:22:32 GMT -5
While we're at it, I fucking love everything about The Man with The Golden Gun besides the sheriff. Also, Herve Villachaize makes a 10 times more convincing midget than Oddjob. Oddjob was never supposed to be a midget, that is a misconception born of the N64 game. |
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Post by Deexan on Nov 5, 2015 6:22:44 GMT -5
Never saw QoS, hated Skyfall, will maybe catch SPECTRE when it hits TV. Maybe. Some fun Bond facts: The first ever Bond was Barry Nelson in a 1954 one-hour TV adaptation of 'Casino Royale' on CBS. The second Bond was Bob Holness in a 1956 radio play of 'Moonraker'; Bob later went on to become a national treasure in the UK for presenting the classic 80s and 90s game show, Blockbusters.  |
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 5, 2015 9:18:21 GMT -5
I'm like 90 minutes into Casino Royale. For a Bond movie that supposedly has no gadget, James Bond relies a lot on his Sony Ericsson. Keep in mind this movie came out in 2006. The iPhone hadn't even come out yet. And this motherfucker is doing surveillance work on a Sony Ericsson. The logo at the beginning of the movie might have a little something to do with that. Speaking of Sony, anyone else getting tired of the Bond commercials? I literally saw two in a row last night. That dumb Moneypenny one and the much dumber Rube Goldberg martini one. Gee, they really nailed the feel of Bond movies in that one. |
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Post by Deexan on Nov 5, 2015 10:32:57 GMT -5
Oh man, Bond commercials have been everywhere over here. It's hugely annoying.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 5, 2015 10:33:05 GMT -5
I loved Skyfall back in 2012, but my opinion of that film has dropped considerably with rewatches and reflection. I still really like parts of the film. It's gorgeously shot and there are some really awesome action scenes, but the plot is really thinly held together, the film blatantly steals from Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, and the filmmakers tried way too hard to make Silva threatening, to the point where he's ridiculous as a character.
As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 5, 2015 11:15:14 GMT -5
I loved Skyfall back in 2012, but my opinion of that film has dropped considerably with rewatches and reflection. I still really like parts of the film. It's gorgeously shot and there are some really awesome action scenes, but the plot is really thinly held together, the film blatantly steals from Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, and the filmmakers tried way too hard to make Silva threatening, to the point where he's ridiculous as a character. As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100. If Doomsday had REAL balls, he would admit that Quantum of Solace is better than Skyfall. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 5, 2015 11:23:45 GMT -5
I loved Skyfall back in 2012, but my opinion of that film has dropped considerably with rewatches and reflection. I still really like parts of the film. It's gorgeously shot and there are some really awesome action scenes, but the plot is really thinly held together, the film blatantly steals from Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, and the filmmakers tried way too hard to make Silva threatening, to the point where he's ridiculous as a character. As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100. If Doomsday had REAL balls, he would admit that Quantum of Solace is better than Skyfall. Let's not go nuts. For all its problems, Skyfall still does a lot right and is more Bondian than Quantum. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 5, 2015 11:29:44 GMT -5
I loved Skyfall back in 2012, but my opinion of that film has dropped considerably with rewatches and reflection. I still really like parts of the film. It's gorgeously shot and there are some really awesome action scenes, but the plot is really thinly held together, the film blatantly steals from Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, and the filmmakers tried way too hard to make Silva threatening, to the point where he's ridiculous as a character. As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100. If Doomsday had REAL balls, he would admit that Quantum of Solace is better than Skyfall. And you call me out for my hyperbole. Skyfall is awesome, Quantum of Solace is mediocre at best. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 5, 2015 11:37:25 GMT -5
. As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100. Spoiler alert: none of them will be on the list. Love the series but when you're making a definitive top 100 you have to be brutally honest and 100 is a very small number. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 5, 2015 11:54:09 GMT -5
. As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100. Spoiler alert: none of them will be on the list. Love the series but when you're making a definitive top 100 you have to be brutally honest and 100 is a very small number. I figured. Mostly being sarcastic. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 5, 2015 12:00:33 GMT -5
I loved Skyfall back in 2012, but my opinion of that film has dropped considerably with rewatches and reflection. I still really like parts of the film. It's gorgeously shot and there are some really awesome action scenes, but the plot is really thinly held together, the film blatantly steals from Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, and the filmmakers tried way too hard to make Silva threatening, to the point where he's ridiculous as a character. As for the Goldfinger debate, we should save that for one it pops up in Dracula's Top 100. It's so lonely over here sometimes. Sigh...
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