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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 23, 2015 15:42:53 GMT -5
PhantomKnight, if you didn't like this, the Brosnan age will be rough for you. He might maybe be pleasantly surprised by TWINE. It goes off formula a little and wants to make Bond look all tortured and has that "I never miss" moment. Valid point.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 23, 2015 18:32:00 GMT -5
As I've said before, nothing is near as bad as Die Anther Day. Sure, TWINE has issues, but c'mon.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 23, 2015 19:11:01 GMT -5
I realize story isn't typically a prime concern when it comes to James Bond, but damnit, the Daniel Craig films really have spoiled me in that regard. Please enlighten us. GoldenEye has a better story than any Daniel Craig movie. Casino Royale's story was... what... secret agent plays card games and then gets betrayed by his lover. Quantum of Solace's story was... secret agent tries to stop guy from stealing water or whatever. Skyfall's story was... let's rip-off Christopher Nolan. GoldenEye was about James Bond trying to survive in a post-Cold War world while being haunted by his past. It's deeper and darker than anything Timothy Dalton or Daniel Craig had to offer. Daniel Craig's movies are superficial. They're Bourne Identity wannabe. GoldenEye, as you say, stays true to everything the franchise represents while still giving meaning to the character and his world. That's why 99.9% of fans consider it a Top 5 Bond movie. It all boils down to this: while GoldenEye may question Bond's place in a post-Cold War, era, apart from those lines you and Jibbs quoted, it never felt like the movie dealt with the idea in a very interesting fashion. From what I remember, he just said those things as throwaway lines and that was it. Casino Royale and Skyfall (I'm not counting QoS), on the other hand, actually delved into James Bond more as a character and SHOWED him reacting to and dealing with certain issues more. In Casino Royale, you see Bond naively getting too emotionally involved in a mission and ultimately paying for that and in Skyfall, you see him trying to shake certain demons and get back into the game after the job screwed him over. That's interesting stuff. I think Casino Royale handles the theme of questioning Bond as a character way better than GoldenEye. That said, GoldenEye is a fun movie and is easily the best film of the Brosnan era. It's got great pacing, lots of good action, a poor of cool villains, and the intro to Judi Dench as M. PhantomKnight, if you didn't like this, the Brosnan age will be rough for you. Yeah if you're not impressed with GoldenEye then brace yourself for Die Another Day. I've already seen Die Another Day, and it's terrible; 2nd worst Bond film yet. Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough are the only Bond films, apart from SPECTRE, I've yet to see.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 23, 2015 19:46:24 GMT -5
For the record, I wasn't saying the character analysis is why I love Goldeneye. I love Goldeneye because the action is tremendous and it's hilarious.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 23, 2015 19:46:56 GMT -5
I think Casino Royale handles the theme of questioning Bond as a character way better than GoldenEye. That said, GoldenEye is a fun movie and is easily the best film of the Brosnan era. It's got great pacing, lots of good action, a poor of cool villains, and the intro to Judi Dench as M. PhantomKnight, if you didn't like this, the Brosnan age will be rough for you. Casino Royale is more of a deconstruction of the character.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 26, 2015 13:35:03 GMT -5
I remember the Jinx spinoff discussions a while back. Man, too bad we missed out on that one.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 26, 2015 13:36:22 GMT -5
I remember the Jinx spinoff discussions a while back. Man, too bad we missed out on that one. It was released as Catwoman.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 26, 2015 18:18:01 GMT -5
I'm just going to assume Neverending put the part talking about box office numbers in bold.
Hitchcock directing James Bond, man, that would have been wild. Of course then we might not have Psycho, so I think it worked out in the end.
As for Lazenby in a revenge sequel, that was definitely a missed opportunity considering the crapfest that Diamonds are Forever became. Despite its "oh boy, Connery's back" cash flow.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 27, 2015 18:35:39 GMT -5
Dalton's movies were during the height of AIDS. They eased it back a bit.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 27, 2015 18:57:22 GMT -5
There were several cut scenes of Bond getting handies.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 27, 2015 20:11:04 GMT -5
There were several cut scenes of Bond getting handies.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 11:23:04 GMT -5
Jibbs Doomsday Dracula PG Cooper SnoBorderZero PhantomKnight IanTheCoolTHE BEST JAMES BOND MOVIES, ACCORDING TO ROTTEN TOMATOESeditorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/james-bond-movies/ #26 - CASINO ROYALE (1967) - 29%A goofy, dated parody of spy movie clichés, Casino Royale squanders its all-star cast on a meandering, mostly laugh-free script. #25 - A VIEW TO A KILL (1985) - 35%Absurd even by Bond standards, A View to a Kill is weighted down by campy jokes and a noticeable lack of energy. #24 - OCTOPUSSY (1983) - 42%Despite a couple of electrifying action sequences, Octopussy is a formulaic, anachronistic Bond outing. #23 - THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN (1974) - 44%A middling Bond film, The Man With the Golden Gun suffers from double entendre-laden dialogue, a noteworthy lack of gadgets, and a villain that overshadows 007. #22 - THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH (1999) - 51%Plagued by mediocre writing, uneven acting, and a fairly by-the-numbers plot, The World Is Not Enough is partially saved by some entertaining and truly Bond-worthy action sequences. #21 - DIE ANOTHER DAY (2002) - 57%Its action may be bit too over-the-top for some, but Die Another Day is lavishly crafted and succeeds in evoking classic Bond themes from the franchise's earlier installments. #20 - TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997) - 58%A competent, if sometimes by-the-numbers entry to the 007 franchise, Tomorrow Never Dies may not boast the most original plot but its action sequences are genuinely thrilling. #19 - MOONRAKER (1979) - 60%Featuring one of the series' more ludicrous plots but outfitted with primo gadgets and spectacular sets, Moonraker is both silly and entertaining. #18 - NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN (1983) - 63%While the rehashed story feels rather uninspired and unnecessary, the return of both Sean Connery and a more understated Bond make Never Say Never Again a watchable retread. #17 - SPECTRE (2015) - 65%Spectre nudges Daniel Craig's rebooted Bond closer to the glorious, action-driven spectacle of earlier entries, although it's admittedly reliant on established 007 formula. #16 - QUANTUM OF SOLACE - 65%Brutal and breathless, Quantum Of Solace delivers tender emotions along with frenetic action, but coming on the heels of Casino Royale, it's still a bit of a disappointment. #15 - LIVE AND LET DIE (1973) - 66%While not one of the highest-rated Bond films, Live and Let Die finds Roger Moore adding his stamp to the series with flashes of style and an improved sense of humor. #14 - DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (1971) - 67%Diamonds are Forever is a largely derivative affair, but it's still pretty entertaining nonetheless, thanks to great stunts, witty dialogue, and the presence of Sean Connery. #13 - THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (1987) - 70%Newcomer Timothy Dalton plays James Bond with more seriousness than preceding installments, and the result is exciting and colorful but occasionally humorless. #12 - YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (1967) - 72%With exotic locales, impressive special effects, and a worthy central villain, You Only Live Twice overcomes a messy and implausible story to deliver another memorable early Bond flick. #11 - FOR YOUR EYES ONLY (1981) - 74%For Your Eyes Only trades in some of the outlandish Bond staples for a more sober outing, and the result is a satisfying adventure, albeit without some of the bombastic thrills fans may be looking for. #10 - LICENCE TO KILL (1989) - 77%License to Kill is darker than many of the other Bond entries, with Timothy Dalton playing the character with intensity, but it still has some solid chases and fight scenes. #9 - GOLDENEYE (1995) - 77%The first and best Pierce Brosnan Bond film, GoldenEye brings the series into a more modern context, and the result is a 007 entry that's high-tech, action-packed, and urbane. #8 - THE SPY WHO LOVED ME (1977) - 79%Though it hints at the absurdity to come in later installments, The Spy Who Loved Me's sleek style, menacing villains, and sly wit make it the best of the Roger Moore era. #7 - ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE (1969) - 82%George Lazenby's only appearance as 007 is a fine entry in the series, featuring one of the most intriguing Bond girls in Tracy di Vincenzo (Diana Rigg), breathtaking visuals, and some great ski chases. #6 - THUNDERBALL (1965) - 86%Lavishly rendered set pieces and Sean Connery's enduring charm make Thunderball a big, fun adventure, even if it doesn't quite measure up to the series' previous heights. #5 - SKYFALL (2012) - 93%Sam Mendes brings Bond surging back with a smart, sexy, riveting action thriller that qualifies as one of the best 007 films to date. #4 - CASINO ROYALE (2006) - 95%Casino Royale disposes of the silliness and gadgetry that plagued recent James Bond outings, and Daniel Craig delivers what fans and critics have been waiting for: a caustic, haunted, intense reinvention of 007. #3 - DR. NO (1962) - 96%Featuring plenty of the humor, action, and escapist thrills the series would become known for, Dr. No kicks off the Bond franchise in style. #2 - FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (1963) - 96%The second James Bond film, From Russia with Love is a razor-sharp, briskly-paced Cold War thriller that features several electrifying action scenes. #1 - GOLDFINGER (1964) - 96%Goldfinger is where James Bond as we know him comes into focus - it features one of 007's most famous lines ("A martini. Shaken, not stirred") and a wide range of gadgets that would become the series' trademark.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 4, 2015 11:49:42 GMT -5
I always forget about the "original" Casino Royale. I suppose I should suffer through it once to say I've done it.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2015 12:36:52 GMT -5
Goldfinger, I'm shocked.
As I get older, more confident and more crotchety I get more comfortable saying in public that From Russia, With Love is so much better than Goldfinger it's not even funny. It gets irritating reading peoples stupid 'James Bond Ranked' lists and nobody has the balls to take that movie off #1. Some people think they're being all provocative by putting a Timothy Dalton movie in the top five but when it comes to Goldfinger they always puss out.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 4, 2015 12:42:48 GMT -5
I always assumed the standard thought was that From Russia With Love was the #1 and Goldfinger was second. At least that's how most Bond lists I've seen have it.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 13:50:31 GMT -5
It gets irritating reading peoples stupid 'James Bond Ranked' lists and nobody has the balls to take that movie off #1. Because Goldfinger IS the best James Bond movie. From Russia With Love is a VERY close #2, but it's not #1 or even a tie. I always assumed the standard thought was that From Russia With Love was the #1 and Goldfinger was second. ... what? No. Where did you get that idea? Goldfinger has always been #1 in most people's opinions. Then there's the REBELS who say that On Her Majesty's Secret Service is #1... but that just makes me roll my eyes.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2015 13:55:58 GMT -5
Goldfinger is #1 because people think they have to put it as #1, similar to how everyone keeps putting Citizen Kane at the top of every Best Movies list. If you take someone who has never seen a James Bond movie and make them watch all of them without any outside influence (meaning they haven't read every list that puts Goldfinger as the best Bond movie) they'd absolutely put something else in the top place, most likely Goldeneye or Casino Royale. I like Goldfinger fine, I've seen it probably more than any other Bond film but just because it 'created the formula' doesn't mean it gets the permanent top spot until the end of time.
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Post by donny on Nov 4, 2015 14:07:43 GMT -5
Wait, I'm confused. The link I clicked ranked Skyfall #1.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2015 14:14:43 GMT -5
You're right, it looks like the RT link is ranking them based on adjusted score rather than the overall percentage that's displayed.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 4, 2015 14:42:51 GMT -5
I'll post my list after I watch The World Is Not Enough.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2015 14:42:35 GMT -5
Goldfinger is #1 because people think they have to put it as #1 You do realize I'm not PG Cooper . I'm not 12. I saw these movies before the Internet was mainstream. Goldfinger was my favorite James Bond movie before I knew other people felt the same way. And that's the case with most people over 30. Kids these days haven't even seen Goldfinger. Most people under 20 only know about Daniel Craig. So when you see Goldfinger at #1, it's most likely by an old fart like us. Who's everyone? I don't know a single person who thinks Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made. You're confusing "critics" with actual people. Most people don't even know WHY they like Goldfinger. And apparently, that includes you. Goldfinger created the formula, and that's great, but that's not WHY it's a great movie. It's a great movie because it challenges the perception of James Bond. He isn't a "super spy". That's why M is always threatening to replace him with 008 or whatever. He's a guy who survives with his charm and good luck. James Bond accomplishes nothing, and I mean nothing, in Goldfinger. He gets two women killed, he almost gets killed several times, he can't even deliver a message to Felix Leiter, and he doesn't even know how to stop the bomb at the end. Goldfinger is the ONE Bond movie that dares to say that we only like James Bond for superficial reasons. We want the gadgets and beautiful woman and exotic locations. That's what we pay money to see. Anything else is a bonus. Wait, I'm confused. The link I clicked ranked Skyfall #1. You're right, it looks like the RT link is ranking them based on adjusted score rather than the overall percentage that's displayed. Yeah. I ranked it based on percentage because the adjusted score doesn't match the consensus. They say Skyfall is ONE of the best James Bond movies, and yet, they have it at #1. That doesn't make sense.
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