Politics Thread

Yeah and the toll may climb many are critical and still in surgery

The gunman was born in the USA, employed in security, all legally owned weapons with 30 round clips.

He was investigated three times before all this, me there was no actionable offense they could find

People on the left will say it's a gun problem, people on the right will say it's a radical Islam problem. People are arguing about different things so nothing will be fixed on either end.

Trump took the time to tweet these lovely gems:

Because neither side can admit that it's both. We have a gun problem AND a radical problem. You can solve both easily because both are connected. If you have stricter gun laws, radical people can less access to military style weapons. Granted, you can make the argument that the black market will profit from this, but the average person isn't gonna go through the trouble of seeking underground connections.

Correction, a semi-automatic. In either case, it's still a weapon the dude had no business owning and goes well beyond the capabilities of what might be needed by an individual for hunting, sport, or self-defense.

Suspect was born in America, Trump's retarded Muslim ban would have done nothing to stop him.

I am not a sexist by any means but I dont think Hilary should be president. She is the wrong women president if she is too be the first. My fear is Trump will get in because there is no other choice but Attila Hillary. I have no problems with Bill Clinton as president he did a good job even with Monica under his desk at the time. Its a sad thing when Bill can run the country better when he is cheating then Obama and Bush. Because Hillary was First Lady does not mean she will save the country or bring us back too the clinton years. Trump is a walking Saturday Night Live show. I am the most scared for the country I have ever been. I cannot vote for either and Nader would be a wasted vote.

We have a widespread crazy people with guns problem.  The fact that the most recent crazy person with a gun was an ISIS fanboy instead of a white dude who thinks he's the joker doesn't make it any more scary.

Like Doomsday said "mass shootings" is a term that carries misconception. This map does not take into account what excatally happened with the shootings. Was it people protecting their family from a home invasion, gang violence (which in this case more than likely the guns was obtained illegally to begin with), or did the shooters have mental health problems. Just a few examples.



The media is always over hyping gun control and telling the people it's getting worse and worse. From 1993 to 2013 the gun homicide rate has dropped by almost 50% to 3.6 homicides per 100,000 population when it was 7 per 100,000 in 1993.



If you want to go by that map you can also go by this, but remember the same applies you don't know what happened in the situation.



These are incidents where 4 or more people were shot.

Mass Shootings under the Last Five Presidents



Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989 (8 years) 11 mass shootings

Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5



George H. W. Bush: 1989-1993 (4 years) 12 mass murders

Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 3



Bill Clinton: 1993-2001 (8 years) 23 mass murders

Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 4



George W. Bush: 2001-2009 (8 years) 20 mass murders

Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5



Barrack H. Obama: 2009-2015 (in 7th year) 162 mass murders

Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 18



In a sense I agree with Vader a little, the violent video games and violent movies influence people a lot, and I believe it starts at a young age. Parents not caring what their kids listen to, or watch, or play desensitizes children at an early age to violence. With all that said I'm a huge gun rights advocate but there has to be some better way to keep the crazy people from getting them rather than banning guns period. I know in my state I can go to a garage sale and buy a rifle or shotgun easily fast and legally, handgun also but you're supposed to have a permit for it, a rule that hardly anyone follows around here.

tRUMP is still an asshat, he couldn't have stopped this attack either. The shooter was American and stopping immigration wouldn't have done it.

This was internet radicalization I think. We will know more about this later, but that is my guess.

You really can't list mass shootings by President and blame it on that alone. This is a generational problem, a mental health problem, and a social problem.

You can't really blame movies, games and the like - this is an isolation and alienation problem more than anything else.
And, it is a hate problem as well. In this election time you have people whipped up into a frenzy, and in fact politics in general has been polarized the country in many different ways. All of these alienated people of all races, and like minded people have set up their own groups of disgruntled people who are upset about one thing or another.


What this country needs is unity, not division, caring, not hatred, inclusion, not isolation. 
The guns are out there, mental health issues need to be taken better care of, and the stigma of getting help with one's problems needs to be addressed.

I agree 100% with you its not the presidents fault, that was just an interesting fact that I had come across and thought I would share.

But I do think movies, games, etc that are real violent are not good for kids of a young age.