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Post by Ramplate on Jun 8, 2016 17:16:33 GMT -5
Futurama Episode Decision 3012 Original air date: June 27, 2012 Sounds familiar (Trump's wall) Leela: This is crazy! You're from the future? Travers: Yes. I was sent back from the year 3028 to prevent Nixon from getting elected. Fry: I was sent forward from the year 2000, but you don't hear me gassing on about it. Leela: But why would it be so important to stop Nixon? Travers: Because of the horrific events he's going to set in motion. [He starts crying.] Oh, God. I can't bring myself to describe it! Fry: Oh, well. Want to hear about how I got frozen? Travers: Not really. [Flashback: A fence is being constructed. The camera zooms out, revealing that it is just one part of a massive fence surrounding the solar system.]</poem> Travers: It all started with Nixon's promise to build an alien-proof fence around the solar system. Without cheap alien labour for menial jobs like harvesting crops, teaching math and curing disease, the economy collapsed. [Cut to: A field. Alien farmers suddenly disappear.] [Cut to: A lecture room. An alien teaching math suddenly disappears.] [Cut to: A hospital room. An alien doctor giving a shot to a boy suddenly disappears. The boy slowly opens one of his eyes.]</poem> [Cut to: A street. A man jumps on a police car. Multiple police cars hover; one is on fire mid-air. Protestors hold signs facing police officers with riot shields.]</poem> Travers: Starvation. Desperation. Despair. [Cut to: Inside the hospital records room of Our Lady of Patriotism Hospital.]</poem> Bender: So far, so good. Then what? Travers: Unable to feed the world's starving masses, Nixon took bold action. [Cut to: An auditorium. Nixon speaks to a crowd.]</poem> Nixon: In this time of crisis, I call upon the soylent major–I mean, silent majority. [The crowd cheers. Suddenly, the floor opens up beneath them. They scream and land into a giant meat blender. The camera pans down, revealing an assembly line producing cans of Soylent Majority.] [Cut to: Inside the hospital records room of Our Lady of Patriotism Hospital.]</poem> Bender: Still good. [Cut to: A street. Three robots sweep up dust.]</poem> Travers: With the working class gone, robots were forced to do all the menial labor. [The three robots are suddenly swept up by a giant robot sweeping with a giant broom.] Travers: Before long, they rose up in revolt. Led by a bending unit named B.B. Rodriguez. [Cut to: A government building. Several humans run away. The camera pans to the right, revealing the destroyed remains of other buildings. Multiple Killbots fire their guns. Destructor fires a flamethrower at the government building, melting it. Bender emerges behind Destructor's head, dressed in Napoleon-like attire and wielding a sword. He starts laughing maniacally. The robots march on.]</poem> Bender: Wait...I know a robot named B.B. Rodriguez! [Cut to: Inside the hospital records room of Our Lady of Patriotism Hospital.]</poem> Bender: Wait...I am a robot named B.B. Rodriguez! So, I become ruler of earth? Travers: Indeed. Bender: In your face, high school guidance counselor! [Cut to: The destroyed remains of a city. The camera pans down, revealing a civilization of humans living underground.]</poem> Travers: The robots crushed our most treasured monuments and celebrities, but they couldn't crush the human spirit. We went into hiding, and after careful research, located a xeroxed copy of an ancient time travel code.
Travers: Though I was only 15, mankind entrusted me with its last remaining suit and tie and sent me back in time.
Travers: I would be raised by my grandparents, somehow get into Harvard law school, become a community organizer, a senator and finally...defeat Richard Nixon. |
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Post by Dracula on Jun 8, 2016 17:16:47 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a debate too, Sanders (and in fact either Democratic candidate) would tear him a new one. I'm pretty worried about the debate. Trump is such a compulsive liar devoid of normal standards of decorum that he may well spend the whole time spewing nonsense and ad hominem attacks and have people lap it up. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 8, 2016 17:26:56 GMT -5
Don't forget how great his policies will be. Let me tell you, do you like policies? Well they will be terrific.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 8, 2016 17:29:10 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a debate too, Sanders (and in fact either Democratic candidate) would tear him a new one. I'm pretty worried about the debate. Trump is such a compulsive liar devoid of normal standards of decorum that he may well spend the whole time spewing nonsense and ad hominem attacks and have people lap it up. Well the intelligent people will see right through it....wait, yeah we might be in trouble  Just kidding, most people will know who has their shit in order and who is spewing garbage and insults |
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Post by Dracula on Jun 8, 2016 17:40:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty worried about the debate. Trump is such a compulsive liar devoid of normal standards of decorum that he may well spend the whole time spewing nonsense and ad hominem attacks and have people lap it up. Well the intelligent people will see right through it....wait, yeah we might be in trouble Just kidding, most people will know who has their shit in order and who is spewing garbage and insults I sure hope you're right... |
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 8, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder how I'd feel if the candidates were reversed. How would I feel if the Republican candidate was a run-of-the-mill, generally disliked, same-ol-same-ol person, and the one in my party, a democrat, was crass, shooting from the hip, a jerk, but generally said things I agreed with, but more importantly, was against the grain because I'm so sick of politicians and the cookie cutter persona. Would I be able to jump parties? Admit my candidate isn't the one I should be going for?
Then I remember Trump is a racist, lying, piece of shit pushover, and it's not the same thing.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 8, 2016 18:58:59 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder how I'd feel if the candidates were reversed. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 8, 2016 19:29:16 GMT -5
Head of State, Man of the Year: there's so many liberal fantasies of the Jon Stewart type running for president that we all forgot what would happen if the other side's "ideal" shmoe ran for president.
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 8, 2016 20:57:20 GMT -5
Head of State, Man of the Year: there's so many liberal fantasies of the Jon Stewart type running for president that we all forgot what would happen if the other side's "ideal" shmoe ran for president. The closest you get is in the last season of The West Wing, after Sorkin was gone. Alan Alda was the liberal wet dream of what an ideal Republican candidate would be. |
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Post by Neverending on Jun 8, 2016 21:26:11 GMT -5
Head of State, Man of the Year: there's so many liberal fantasies of the Jon Stewart type running for president that we all forgot what would happen if the other side's "ideal" shmoe ran for president. The closest you get is in the last season of The West Wing, after Sorkin was gone. Alan Alda was the liberal wet dream of what an ideal Republican candidate would be. A few days, or weeks, ago I was watching CNN's The 70's on Netflix and, call me crazy, but Nixon wasn't THAT bad. He ended the draft, desegregated schools, wasn't opposed to the feminist movement, formed the EPA and re-opened relations with China. Also, while his solution to Vietnam wasn't ideal, it did get results. So, really, the big controversy about Nixon was watergate. If I had been alive in 1972, I would have voted for him. Most Americans did, actually. He won in, like, 48 states. So I think that was the last Republican candidate that liberals tolerated - at least in 1972. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 8, 2016 21:30:41 GMT -5
For better or worse, Presidents are not defined by their whole, nuance isn't acknowledged, etc.
See Johnson re: Vietnam and his social programs.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 8, 2016 21:47:10 GMT -5
For better or worse, Presidents are not defined by their whole, nuance isn't acknowledged, etc. See Johnson re: Vietnam and his social programs. Yeah, Johnson was a GREAT President. Kennedy spent most of his first term dealing with the Cold War, so, Johnson WAS the one who focused on all the social AND scientific programs that Kennedy had wanted to do. He's also the one that turned democrats into a liberal party. Before Johnson, Conservative Democrats and Liberal Republicans were a thing. He's the one who pissed off all the conservatives and they switched sides. So with Nixon, you're right, the big picture is ignored for the sensational one. If watergate had never happened, he would have been remembered as a good President. NOT a great one cause bombing Vietnam wasn't exactly a popular thing. Humanitarians weren't thrilled with that and that was the basis of the '72 election. So if Truman, who bombed Japan, isn't put on a pedestal, neither would Nixon. |
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Post by Dracula on Jun 8, 2016 22:01:24 GMT -5
The closest you get is in the last season of The West Wing, after Sorkin was gone. Alan Alda was the liberal wet dream of what an ideal Republican candidate would be. A few days, or weeks, ago I was watching CNN's The 70's on Netflix and, call me crazy, but Nixon wasn't THAT bad. He ended the draft, desegregated schools, wasn't opposed to the feminist movement, formed the EPA and re-opened relations with China. Also, while his solution to Vietnam wasn't ideal, it did get results. So, really, the big controversy about Nixon was watergate. If I had been alive in 1972, I would have voted for him. Most Americans did, actually. He won in, like, 48 states. So I think that was the last Republican candidate that liberals tolerated - at least in 1972. He won in 49 states... but he was running against George McGovern who was the OG Bernie Sanders... and he had the extra benefit of having wiretapped his opposition. |
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Post by daniel on Jun 9, 2016 0:23:46 GMT -5
Clinton sucks, Bernie sucks, Trump I can't believe is even running.
Trump will be the most entertaining for the next four years. I'm all for it.
The election is a joke, go with the biggest clown.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 9, 2016 5:05:01 GMT -5
Johnson did a lot to push forward many of the things that Kennedy was working on and did some good things.
I liked Nixon because he made me feel safe because of his foreign policies and the fact that he went a long way in opening up talks with big scary USSR and China. That was a huge deal back then. Henry Kissinger did a great job as Secretary of State.
Nixon had his troubles with the Vietnam War and Watergate but otherwise was a good President.
He did eventually pull us out of Vietnam.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 9, 2016 6:34:14 GMT -5
Johnson did a lot to push forward many of the things that Kennedy was working on and did some good things. I liked Nixon because he made me feel safe because of his foreign policies and the fact that he went a long way in opening up talks with big scary USSR and China. That was a huge deal back then. Henry Kissinger did a great job as Secretary of State. Nixon had his troubles with the Vietnam War and Watergate but otherwise was a good President. He did eventually pull us out of Vietnam. Nixon didn't actually get us out of Vietnam. He was working on it and then Watergate happened. Gerard Ford was the one on duty when the war ended and it was a disaster. When it's all said & done, the Vietnam war makes the Iraq war look competent. It was a giant blunder. |
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 9, 2016 8:56:45 GMT -5
Johnson did a lot to push forward many of the things that Kennedy was working on and did some good things. I liked Nixon because he made me feel safe because of his foreign policies and the fact that he went a long way in opening up talks with big scary USSR and China. That was a huge deal back then. Henry Kissinger did a great job as Secretary of State. Nixon had his troubles with the Vietnam War and Watergate but otherwise was a good President. He did eventually pull us out of Vietnam. Nixon didn't actually get us out of Vietnam. He was working on it and then Watergate happened. Gerard Ford was the one on duty when the war ended and it was a disaster. When it's all said & done, the Vietnam war makes the Iraq war look competent. It was a giant blunder. The peace accords were signed in 1973, Ford took office in 1974 and four months later the Viet-cong broke the agreement and invaded the south. Yes the withdrawal from the embassy was a huge clusterfuck. We didn't get everyone out that we promised to protect. Johnson was working on a peace plan at the end of his term, but Nixon started doing stuff that pissed Johnson off because he thought he was undermining his efforts. Then again, it wasn't too hard to piss Johnson off The whole war was a terrible joke, because Congress didn't let them fight to win. It was like the ball in a tennis match, trading the same territory back and forth at the cost of hundreds of lives all for nothing. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 9, 2016 18:27:11 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Nixon was a horrible racist.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 9, 2016 20:10:33 GMT -5
ALLEGEDLY
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 9, 2016 21:50:44 GMT -5
Well, I'd have to say yes and no. Yes if you take it at face value in terms of the norm for today. No, if you account for the time in which those things were said. Those were domestically and internationally different times. Civil rights were brand new,and we were having to watch out for the "commie threat". And believe it or not, those were some of the more tame conversations in a frank discussion of politics of the time. (You'll notice they never use the N word, the W word, the K word, the C word, or the S word ) And if you question my veracity on the above statements, get off my lawn. How many of you were alive 43 years ago?  |
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 9, 2016 22:12:54 GMT -5
He did use the N-word. Or was that Johnson...
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Post by Dracula on Jun 9, 2016 23:11:21 GMT -5
He did use the N-word. Or was that Johnson... It was both |
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 10, 2016 0:33:19 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic.  |
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 10, 2016 3:00:14 GMT -5
Johnson swore like Truman on his Whitehouse tapes and he was a bit meaner too
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