Politics Thread

There is no gun show loop hole. It's a private sale loophole. An individual can sell anything they own to anyone else. There is nothing we can put into gun laws that will prevent criminals from transferring weapons between themselves that isn’t already in the law. We need to actually enforce the laws we have already. The bill was a knee jerk reaction to California and Colorado with broad stroke terms that would have made many veterans, for instance, who are being treated for multiple problems felons because they already own a firearm.  As a Veteran, gun owner, gunsmith and potential dealer next year, that alone made me say no to it.   I know not everybody is for having a gun, and that is fine, but we shouldn't completely bar those who do and follow the laws to get one.  If I sold a gun without a background check it leads to a hefty fine, jail time that would make me a felon as well as losing my right to own, buy or sell a firearm.  I don't know a single dealer or store that turns the other way just to make a sell, it's not worth the risk.

The individuals using firearms in majority of shooting incidents did not purchase or obtaining the firearm legally.  There was an area in Camden blocks from the Aquarium that a black market dealer was selling replicas or cheap throw away with the serial number scrapped off.  He even had somebody outside a gun show around the Philly area to try to get people who didn't get cleared to purchase to come see him.  That individual was removed from the area very quickly, because not a single law abiding gun owner would do that.  The Colorado individual, there is still a lot of information that hasn't came down the pipeline.  The San Bernardino shooting, happened in a state with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.  It's not the only shooting that has happened there as well, it's just the only one that gets reported nationally.  Regulation will not stop a criminal, it will only seriously stop an individual who has followed the rules to own a firearm, been trained properly to use it from stopping a potential threat.  Gunfacts is a great website with good sources to back up the information that apparently the media doesn't do themselves.  Their 300+ mass shootings stat was pulled from a spreadsheet that counts any and all shootings that involved three or more victims.  It doesn't count into how many survived, if there was an individual with a CCW that stopped it, or even if the criminal was caught or how the firearm was obtained.

I will still take dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

I agree the mental health care system is very flawed and lawyers shouldn't be the ones getting to say what mental problem should be flagged as a potential threat if they buy a firearm. Which is why PTSD is always given the wrong impression, same with TBI. TBI for a Veteran covers the same as PTSD. The last Fort Hood shooter was a self diagnosed PTSD and TBI individual. None of his medical records stated he was diagnosed it, just his own word of mouth. The media and lawyers jumped on it anyway, which made everybody afraid of any and all veterans.

They should definitely be taken in and given proper care and time. Show/prove they are capable to be on their own, and then weekly check-ups to make sure they are still okay to be out on their own. That requires more work than our government wants to provide as well as they don't want to hurt an individuals feelings.

Regulating the magazine size is actually more dangerous. Many rifles already have limits on what can be loaded and just like having a fully automatic rifle, there are steps you have to take to have a drum magazine. I have three 30 round magazines for my AR style rifle. When I go to the range to sight it in, the proper way to do it is firing three rounds then making your corrections to the sights. When you are only given at most an hour before each cease fire you can probably get 5 groupings of three. Once you are in cease fire you can't be near your firearm until given the all clear to fire again, same with reloading and loading. Given that majority of the ranges only allow you to reserve a lane for two hours...one magazine will cover about an hour of shooting. The rest of my rifles are older models that were used in WWI and WWII, I can only load five to seven rounds in it already. I do the same thing for making sure I stay on target for my pistols, three shots; check my range scope and make corrections to how I'm holding or squeezing the trigger.

The other thing that doesn't get covered in a shooting is that magazine size means nothing. They will just reload more and carry more magazines. As for the individual who would be using it for defensive, majority don't shoot one round and hope it hits the threat. Two to the chest, one to the head is normally how the military and police are trained on pistols. If the two rounds don't stop the threat, the third will. When your adrenaline is running, you aren't as accurate as just shooting a piece of paper on the range. Your shots are going to be every where which is why you normally see more than just three rounds shot. If the criminal isn't going to follow the magazine regulation and I have the potential to stop them, even if it's just to get to cover.

I remember that broadcast and while yes it was all legal. What wasn't reported was that it was following Arizona state law on the private sell of the firearm or again the private sale loophole. If that news reporter tried to do the same thing in California, NYC, Detroit, Chicago, Philly and New Jersey...it couldn't because those websites don't allow residents to post because the state doesn't allow it.

The more people fall for the bad media coverage of the gun trade, the more people scream to make them illegal. I want to help people understand the importance of firearms and how to use them safely. Instead of them cowering in fear because they don't know anything.

That's a great point that gets missed as well Doomsday.

And a 30 round magazine is predominately all anybody buys anyways. The larger capacity magazines tend to jam up more than anything else. Reloading a firearm, even a novice, can be done very quickly. I believe there is a video up on YouTube still that showed it was even deadlier if the magazine held less rounds because of how much quicker it is to reload a lighter, smaller magazine.

Exactly.  In stressful situations you aren't as accurate and even the best shooter can miss.  When a lawful gun owner uses their firearm to defend themselves they almost always use the entire magazine.  Depending on the size/semi auto or revolver of the handgun, which is what is normally used, that can range from 5-12 rounds.  Police don't ask why they fired that many rounds because they know, you may not have hit them the first few times.  Especially if the threat is firing back.  The Wyatt Earp story shows that as well, and a great example of what happens.

There have been lots of times where a bill was present to make the state laws easier for gun owners if they traveled through. It has been shot down more times than any gun regulations. One was for making it easier for CCW and have it like a driver's license, Feinstein was one of the individuals that said it would lead to more massacres than it would do good. California is the worst and yet this incident doesn't answer what they are trying to do for the inner cities where shootings are rampant.

I agree, and there are plenty of courses that cost next to nothing and even some people who will provide free training. The parent is also responsible to teach their youth the proper way of handling a firearm, when they don't those incidents always end tragically.