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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 14, 2018 17:51:05 GMT -5
My college screened Memento when it was still a fairly new movie. Nolan's only other movies were Following, Insomnia and Batman Begins. He was arguably still a nobody at the time. It's crazy to think about that in retrospect. Watching Memento didn't make think this guy was gonna "re-invent cinema" a few years later. This would be like watching Duel or American Graffiti in 1974 and having no clue those two nerds were gonna change Hollywood forever. Anyway, we watched Memento and The Machinist. Both movies, if I recall correctly, are about self harm. Memento isn't a revenge story. The big twist is that HE killed his wife. He's going around creating these elaborate revenge stories to mask the fact that his wife tried to call his bluff and paid the price. Why didn't the wife stop him? The diabetes subplot is terrible and unneeded. The better movie would have just had him killing the killer and willfully forgetting it. It's also possible that part of the confusion stems from Teddy fucking with Leonard.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 14, 2018 18:24:06 GMT -5
The entire plot of Memento is a glitch in the Matrix and Trinity is trying to sort it out before Cypher fucks it up even more.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2018 1:42:20 GMT -5
My college screened Memento when it was still a fairly new movie. Nolan's only other movies were Following, Insomnia and Batman Begins. He was arguably still a nobody at the time. It's crazy to think about that in retrospect. Watching Memento didn't make think this guy was gonna "re-invent cinema" a few years later. This would be like watching Duel or American Graffiti in 1974 and having no clue those two nerds were gonna change Hollywood forever. Anyway, we watched Memento and The Machinist. Both movies, if I recall correctly, are about self harm. Memento isn't a revenge story. The big twist is that HE killed his wife. He's going around creating these elaborate revenge stories to mask the fact that his wife tried to call his bluff and paid the price. Why didn't the wife stop him? The diabetes subplot is terrible and unneeded. The better movie would have just had him killing the killer and willfully forgetting it. His wife thought he was faking it for the insurance money and was testing him.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 15, 2018 18:25:51 GMT -5
Why didn't the wife stop him? The diabetes subplot is terrible and unneeded. The better movie would have just had him killing the killer and willfully forgetting it. His wife thought he was faking it for the insurance money and was testing him. She's CSI, she shoulda figured that shit out
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Post by frankyt on Jul 15, 2018 21:24:03 GMT -5
It most certainly as shit ain't better than children of men.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 21, 2018 21:21:29 GMT -5
Got sidetracked with Twin Peaks and some personal shit. Will be back on track moving forward. 76. Malcolm X (Spike Lee, 1992)Birth to death biopics are often looked at with scorn, but a handful of people really do deserve that kind of epic treatment, and Malcolm X is certainly such a figure. Spike Lee's epic portrait of one of the civil rights movement's most incendiary figures is not only an amazing lesson on Malcolm's life and philosophy, it's also a piece of blistering filmmaking. Despite a three hour and 20 minute runtime, Lee is able to bring tremendous energy to Malcolm X. Of course, it helps that Denzel Washington gives the performance of his career in the titular role. Finally, while being set in a not-to-distant past, Malcolm X is very much about contemporary racism in America. This was true in 1992, and it's true in 2018, and sadly, it'll probably be true decades further on. 75. No Country for Old Men (The Coen Brothers, 2007)The Coens are known for their quirky sense of humour, so it's interesting that one of their most iconic films is largely humourless. Don't get me wrong, No Country for Old Men has its quirks, but there's not much laughs to be found in the Coens' pitch-black thriller. The film tells a simple story of an average man who takes a bag of money and finds himself in a hellish cat and mouse game with a brutal killer. That simple, Hitchcockian premise is engaging all on its own, and the Coens do a remarkable job creating tense set-pieces and a gripping atmosphere. Beneath the thrills though is an examination of violence in and whether things are actually getting worse, or if it's just a matter of an older generation out of touch. The Coens don't really answer the question, but the asking is itself fascinating. 74. The Big Lebowski (The Coen Brothers, 1998)Full disclosure, I did not plan to have two Coen Brothers films back-to-back in this list, much less two films so jarringly different in tone. Then again, it is a testament to the Coens' skills that they have two, very different films both with strong spots in this list. The Big Lebowski is widely regarded as the duo's finest comedy, and with good reason. The film offers a collection of fun, highly memorable characters and throws them into a wacky film noir classic. That the protagonist of this noir mystery is an unambitious stoner who just wants to go bowling is certainly inspired, but what makes The Big Lebowski special is more simply the quality writing, leading to a highly rewarding and rewatchable comedy.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 21, 2018 21:30:17 GMT -5
Lebowski should be higher.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 22, 2018 6:31:15 GMT -5
73. Fight Club (David Fincher, 1999)Among other things, Fight Club is one of the most wildly misunderstood films of all-time. Initially marketted as a sort of dudebro action movie, indicted for condoning fascism, and now celebrated by swathes of young men who see Tyler Durden as a hero. The great irony here is the film is really a critique of the Tyler Durdens of the world, not a celebration. Fight Club's first act may be about the dissatisfaction of consumerism, but as the film goes on the focus shifts away from consumerism and towards toxic masculinity. The film is about a young man who combats the disillusionment he feels in archetypal masculine ways of violence and aggression, but only finds such an approach breeds further dissatisfaction. Fight Club may have a keen sense of why young men gravitate towards such ends, but it also shows such paths as destructive and ultimately unfulfilling. Such messages are highly relevant at a time when angry white dudes continue to make certain parts of the internet inhospitable hellscapes. Purely as a piece of filmmaking though, Fight Club is also exceptional. David Fincher brings his typical levels of precision and perfectionism, but the content is a lot more anarchist than the more controlled likes of Seven or Zodiac, and that makes for a fascinating experience. 72. Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985)Terry Gilliam has a knack for making films which are both highly entertaining and highly unpleasant. Brazil is an exemplar of this dichotomy. On the one hand, this is an often hysterically funny comedy with some great bits of Chaplin-inspired slaptick, sharp writing, and comic situations. But on the other hand, Brazil is also one of the darkest, most disturbing visions of a dystopic future society ever put to film. Gilliam was famously riffing on George Orwell's 1984 and his decision to use absurdity to highlight the inefficiency and evil of the totalitarian government at hand was a stroke of genius. Brazil effectively satirizes bureaucracy, excessive consumerism, and technological dependence with great wit, and Gilliam's filmmaking is intuitive. The sheer creativity and world building Gilliam brings to the screen is amazing, and the film close out in a brutally dark piece you won't likely shake. 71. Strangers on a Train (Alfred Hitchcock, 1951)Given Hitchcock is famous for murder-obsessed thrillers and violent set-pieces, it's significant that Strangers on a Train is one of the legendary filmmaker's most disturbing movies. Much of the dry humour we associate with Hithcock is gone here, and there isn't much in the way of Hollywood glamour either. What we're left with is a gripping thriller about a young man who gets caught up in a weird, violent mind game with a murderous psychopath. This villain is played by Robert Walker, who is unnerving and twisted but in a largely understated way. The noir-esque black-and-white cinematography is fantastic, and plays a crucial role in creating the film's dire, hopeless tone. And then there are the set-pieces, which are uniformly fantastic, particularly a murder scene which is long in its set-up and chilling in the suddenness of the killing. Strangers on a Train may not be the deepest of films, but it's an engrossing story with some memorable characters and brilliant execution.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 22, 2018 13:38:41 GMT -5
70. Night of the Living Dead (George A. Romero, 1968)Bridging the gap of schlocky B-horror and genuine terror is George A. Romero's Night of the Living Dead. The simple premise of strangers trying to survive against a horde of monsters certainly sounds like something you'd see from Roger Corman or William Castle, but Night of the Living Dead is far more disturbing and uncomfortable than the more fun horror offerings. In this regard, the low-budget actually helps a lot, as it helps give the film a messy authenticity. There's some really horrific stuff here, not the least of which the film's shocking ending. Night of the Living Dead also created the modern zombie, and while said creatures might feel played out, they've also become a staple of horror and science-fiction since, which is pretty amazing. 69. L.A. Confidential (Curtis Hanson, 1997)L.A. Confidential doesn't seem to have quite the critical cache it once did. Part of this might stem from Curtis Hanson's career being weirdly inconsistent, but whatever the case, his masterpiece should not be forgotten. L.A. Confidential is something of a miracle. This is a movie with dozens of speaking roles, a twisty noir story with an epic sweep, and one set in a highly specific historical backdrop. It all shouldn't work in just a single film. But somehow, every piece comes together perfectly. The characters are perhaps the greatest highlight. L.A. Confidential is loaded with well-developed personalities brought to life by an amazing cast. The veterans all do an a great job, but the core of the film is then young actors Guy Pierce, Russell Crowe, and Kevin Spacey, all three of which do some of their best work here. Crowe in particular has never been better. The film also has some sparkling dialogue, the mystery is highly engaging and, perhaps more impressively for film noir, the plot actually holds up under scrutiny. The film is just an immaculately crafted piece of entertainment that holds up remarkably well to rewatches. 68. Munich (Steven Spielberg, 2005)Munich is not usually listed when people talk best Spielberg movies, but it really should be. Eschewing many of the great filmmaker's signature traits (namely his sentimentality, childlike wonder, and inspiring tone), Munich takes a hard look at the Israel/Palestine conflict and doesn't come to any easy answers. Given the story, it would have been easy to make a simplistic revenge thriller about justified Mossad agents avenging their people, but Spielberg's approach is far more thoughtful. The frustration with violent cycles is apparent in the text, but also the intensity which Spielberg brings to this dark thriller. Indeed, for as heavy and thought-provoking as Munich is, the film is also a prime example of Spielberg's craft.
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67. Heat (Michael Mann, 1995)Heat is perhaps most remembered as a heist movie of sorts, and not without good reason. Michael Mann's depiction of these sort of high-end bankrobbers is highly slick and he hits a good balance of feeling plausible while also being heightened and cinematic. There's also the show-stopping robbery itself, which is an amazing set-piece with some of the well-rendered gunfire in film history. All of these elements are awesome, and a big part of why Heat is remembered so fondly. But I think what puts Mann's masterpiece over the top is its amazing collection of characters. Despite being a crime thriller, Heat actually shares a kinship with Robert Altman-esque hyperlink films about lonely, damaged people trying to find some happiness. Of course, it helps a lot that the two men the movie is built around are Al Pacino and Robert De Niro, who are as good as you'd hope them to be. 66. Jaws (Steven Spielberg, 1975)Here's to you, thebtskink. Jaws is so good that basically every movie that ripped it off didn't even bother trying to be good. The "shark movie" subgenre is littered with garbage of the most ridiculous levels, along with one, transcendent masterpiece from 1975. So what is it about Jaws that makes it so much better than comparable B-movies? Craft is a big part of it. Steven Spielberg is able to create a plethora of top-notch set-pieces which are highly suspenseful and loaded with memorable moments. But the movie's real secret weapon are the characters. Brody, Quint, and Hooper are all very well-defined characters who are perfectly cast. Robert Shaw is the obvious highlight, but Roy Scheider and Richard Dreyfuss are also great here. Much of the film's suspense, particularly in the third act, comes from wondering just how these three will contend with the shark. The film hits such a perfect balance between a horror film where the natural world wreaks havoc on a local population and a nautical adventure film where three man go on an uncertain and dangerous quest. Whatever way you slice it, it's great entertainment. 65. Annie Hall (Woody Allen, 1977)It's becoming more and more topical to hate on Annie Hall these days, in large part, I suspect, because of the accusations that have been levied against Woody Allen. The details of that case are complicated, to say the least, but at the end of the day it doesn't do much to change my feelings on Annie Hall, which is one of the best and most insightful films ever made about romance. Allen takes us through the whole relationship of two hip New Yorkers from its flirtatious beginnings, to stagnation, and eventual separation. Both characters are wonderfully written and you really want them to stay together, but as the film goes on, it becomes clearer that these two really don't belong together. It's a little sad, but part of what makes the film so special is its insight that, as important as these sort of relationships feel like in the moment, they don't become all defining. Of course, focusing too much on the film's great romance is to lose sight of some of the film's other strengths. Namely, the clever fourth-wall breaking which must have felt very fresh back in 1977, and for how funny the film is. Annie Hall is where Allen started to move away from making full-blown comedies, but make no mistake, the film is loaded with great dialogue and hilarious scenarios. It may in fact be Allen's funniest films, and it's absolutely his best.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 23, 2018 17:47:19 GMT -5
64. Notorious (Alfred Hitchcock, 1946)I was in a second year film course the second time I saw Notorious, and the viewing that solidified the film's greatness in my eyes. I was chatting with a friend after the screening who said something like, "It's funny that the Prof said that movie was a thriller because it was so boring." Ouch. Does Notorious really play that old to a modern audience? It's age aside, I do get why Notorious often leaves audiences wanting a Hitchcockian thriller a little cold. This is indeed a thriller, one of the great master's best in fact, but the tension draws more from the relationship dynamics between a spy, a war criminal, and the woman between both. The sexual politics at hand are remarkably sophisticated, with the film offering up an amazing exploration of gender dynamics and double standards. Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman give their best performances in any Hitchcock film, but the showstealer is Claude Reins, who is just a remarkably pitiful villain. Notorious also spots some amazing cinematography and there are good set-pieces, but again, the core here is really the characters and their relationships. 63. Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966)It doesn't always get the credit for it, but Persona is one of the most influential films ever made. From Stardust Memories, to Fight Club, to Mulholland Drive, the film's exploration of identity and mimesis have echoed through cinema since 1966. The film's plot is very simple; a young actress who inexplicably stops speaking and her nurse spend some days together at an isolated beach house. Their time together, however, is defined by a surreal, dreamlike atmosphere, increasingly emotional conversations (albeit one way), and a rising tension and animosity. Persona is ripe with fascinating theories about what's really going on and various frameworks to interpreting the work. I certainly have my own theories, but one does not need to get to caught up about any potential feminist themes or what Bergman might be saying about identity. Purely as a narrative, this is an engrossing tale about two women trying to figure out who they are. The performances from Bibi Andersson and Liv Ullmann are both incredible, Sven Nykvist's cinematography is gorgeous, and Bergman creates some of his most compelling images. 62. Letters from Iwo Jima (Clint Eastwood, 2006)War movies are tricky for contemporary filmmakers. Like the gangster film, cinema is littered with top-notch war movies that aren't just famous and beloved, but have actively defined what films in the genre should look like. Clint Eastwood's own American Sniper struggled in this very regard. But every so often, a new film is able to carve out its own space and Letters from Iwo Jima is such a movie. The film follows the Japanese perspective in the final stretch of World War II has a platoon of soldiers struggle to hold onto the titular island. The film is marked by a quiet sadness, as inevitably, almost all the characters are doomed to die fighting. The film is a simple, but effective plea to reconsider the simplistic notions of good and evil drawn in warfare, one told with beautiful lyricism and featuring an incredibly understated performance from Ken Watanabe.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 23, 2018 19:41:34 GMT -5
Great list thus far, sir.
Persona is to me Bergman's most essential work. Great blend of his two strengths in domestic drama and surrealism, and Nykvist's cinematography on the island of Faro is stunning and haunting all at once. A lot of his films deal with characters opening up to others, only to see their vulnerability turned against them, and Persona takes this even further by using that vulnerability to alter/claim the character's identity entirely. Fascinating stuff from a true master.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 23, 2018 21:58:11 GMT -5
Wow, I'm quite behind.
I will say that you'd better have Fincher's better films here if you chose to include Fight Club.
I really need to rewatch Notorious.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 23, 2018 22:17:50 GMT -5
Great list thus far, sir. Persona is to me Bergman's most essential work. Great blend of his two strengths in domestic drama and surrealism, and Nykvist's cinematography on the island of Faro is stunning and haunting all at once. A lot of his films deal with characters opening up to others, only to see their vulnerability turned against them, and Persona takes this even further by using that vulnerability to alter/claim the character's identity entirely. Fascinating stuff from a true master. Yeah, it does feel like a summation or peak for Bergman in terms of blending those elements you discuss. I don't know if he ever hit this perfect a balance again. Wow, I'm quite behind. I will say that you'd better have Fincher's better films here if you chose to include Fight Club. I really need to rewatch Notorious. Sorry, Fight Club's the only film here. I thought I liked Seven more for a long time, but recently my mind's changed on that. Zodiac I love a good chunk of and it was considered, but the third act leans a little too hard in trying to offer resolution where I think the whole point of the story is the lingering obsession. Were I considering films from the 2010s, The Social Network would have considered.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 23, 2018 22:42:44 GMT -5
Anybody who thinks Notorious is boring is doing it wrong.
And Munich is amazing.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 24, 2018 12:51:43 GMT -5
Cries and Whispers and Fanny and Alexander certainly exhibit a great handling of the domestic drama and surrealism as well, but they don't split those elements essentially down the middle like Persona does. While the surreal sequences in those films certainly feel out of the ordinary, in Persona the surrealism and drama blend together (intended certainly) more organically. Through a Glass Darkly achieves this as well, but it's far more intertwined with religion and the protagonist "seeing" God.
Bergman is my favorite director, and he's made a lot of films I consider to be great, but Persona for me will always be his greatest artistic achievement.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 24, 2018 13:22:44 GMT -5
Cries and Whispers and Fanny and Alexander certainly exhibit a great handling of the domestic drama and surrealism as well, but they don't split those elements essentially down the middle like Persona does. While the surreal sequences in those films certainly feel out of the ordinary, in Persona the surrealism and drama blend together (intended certainly) more organically. Through a Glass Darkly achieves this as well, but it's far more intertwined with religion and the protagonist "seeing" God. Bergman is my favorite director, and he's made a lot of films I consider to be great, but Persona for me will always be his greatest artistic achievement. Haven't seen Cries. Probably my biggest blindspot with Bergman. Fanny and Alexander I haven't seen in years and am itching for a revisit. I agree with you though, regarding Through a Glass Darkly.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 24, 2018 13:41:04 GMT -5
Not sure if I would include Fight Club on any list of mine but I'm enjoying seeing Letters from Iwo Jima and LA Confidential, definitely a couple of my favorites. And Heat, always good seeing Heat.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 26, 2018 14:07:43 GMT -5
Not sure if I would include Fight Club on any list of mine but I'm enjoying seeing Letters from Iwo Jima and LA Confidential, definitely a couple of my favorites. And Heat, always good seeing Heat. I knew I'd win you back with Heat.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 26, 2018 15:07:03 GMT -5
The best "shark movie" isn't even a shark movie. It's Orca: The Killer Whale.
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61. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991)There are a lot of great thrillers in this list and no film fostered that love of thrillers in me quite like The Silence of the Lambs. This is an immaculately plotted thriller with near-perfect pacing. Each story detail builds on what has proceeded it and the film effectively manages to take many disparate elements together. But what puts The Silence of the Lambs over the top are the characters. Anthony Hopkins' performance as Hannibal Lecter is rightfully enshrined as arguably the greatest villain in all of cinema, while Jodie Foster's Clarice Starling proves an equally compelling hero. Intelligent and brave, Starling meets some of the cruelest evil throughout and Foster's quiet, steadfast determination is massive. Jonathan Demme's direction is impeccable. For all the film's grizzly elements, what is perhaps most remarkable is how subtle Demme's hand is. 60. M (Fritz Lang, 1931)Fritz Lang's M is unquestionably a classic with a massive legacy. Perhaps one of its finest achievements is as the first masterpiece of the sound era. At a time where most everyone else was struggling with how to incorporate sound while still maintaining visual artistry (a challenge technically and creatively), M uses sound to very effective cinematic ends while Lang maintains the visual fidelity that made him one of the silent eras great masters. The film also tells an engrossing story of a serial killer loose in Germany. That killer is played by a never better Peter Lorre, and while the thriller elements are excellent, what's really special is what the story reveals about the Germany of the late 20s and early 30s. The film is set in a Berlin weighed down by an economic recession. Dark, decaying buildings, black streets, and smoke-filled rooms define the city in M, with the film offering a fascinating and horrifying glimpse into the conditions which help lead to the rise of Nazism. The serial killer, then, is not the cause of dissaray, but a symptom of diseased society. 59. Throne of Blood (Akira Kurosawa, 1957)Akira Kurosawa is known for his wide transnational influences and no film emphasizes this as well as Throne of Blood. Here we have the Scottish play, written by an Englishman, adapted by a Japanese filmmaker in the 1950s, inspired by American Westerns, translated to feudal Japan, and taking cues from Japanese Noh theater. That's a lot of different elements, but somehow they all come together rather seamlessly. Indeed, this is actually one of the cleanest Shakespeare adaptations, streamlining the source to its purest elements. Macbeth translates to feudal Japan quite nicely, and the film also reflects the disillusionment, violence, and hopelessness of a defeated Japan post-World War II. The film is also a really rad adaptation of Macbeth with a pair of amazing performances from Toshiro Mifune and Ishuzu Yamada, a hauntingly supernatural tone, and a stunning ending which differs sharply from the Bard's printed word, but perfectly captures the story's themes of greed, fear, and betrayal. The film on the whole fits in nicely with some of the other samurai epics Kurosawa was making around the same time, but there's a stark darkness at the heart of Throne of Blood which makes it unique.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 26, 2018 15:31:03 GMT -5
Rewatching Silence, its remarkable how effective the sequences are with the actors speaking directly to the camera. It's all to make you as uncomfortable as possible.
Not just Hannibal, but even Jack Crawford.
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Post by Nilade on Jul 26, 2018 23:35:18 GMT -5
Throne of Blood is great. I caught that in the CS Film Club a little over 10 years ago.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 27, 2018 15:29:51 GMT -5
Yeah, glad to see Throne of Blood on here. I didn't expect it but it's cool to see. I'm now interested in seeing which other Kurosawa movies make the list.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 28, 2018 18:38:07 GMT -5
Interesting list thus far. I have no idea how I'd even begin to approach one myself, so kudos to you for organizing one. Though I AM surprised to hear that at least Se7en won't be making an appearance.
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