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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 11, 2018 18:28:39 GMT -5
I'm not responding until I see where Spaceballs sits on your list. Doomsday waiting to comment: No doubt. Of all Mel Brooks' films, I'd put Spaceballs somewhere in the middle, and nowhere in the Top 100. It's funny, but hardly his best work.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 11, 2018 19:36:53 GMT -5
I think I respect Brooks more than I actually enjoy his movies. Young Frankenstein is an awesome love-letter to classic Universal Horror and Blazing Saddles has some really smart satire, but I don't find either particularly funny.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 11, 2018 22:03:08 GMT -5
88. Eraserhead (David Lynch, 1977)Eraserhead is one of two movies in this list I only saw for the first time last year, and I was a little hesitant about placing a film I only just saw so highly, but given I've already frequently watched Eraserhead (not to mention poured over footage while working on a video essay), I am pretty confident granting the film a spot. David Lynch's debut film is technically among his most straight-forward, at leas the themes of growing up and a fear of responsibility are pretty obvious, but the film doesn't feel nearly that clear cut. This largely stems from just how extreme Lynch's visuals are. Eraserhead isn't merely surreal, but it's an intense nightmare that at times is genuinely tough to watch. The striking visuals are a huge part of the film's appeal. The production design here is wild and the baby is one of the most frightening things I've ever seen in a movie. But I think the simplicity of the film's story is also an advantage. It's not hard to relate to Henry's fears and anxieties, and that makes Lynch's manifestations of said feelings all the more compelling. 87. His Girl Friday (Howard Hawks, 1940)Laugh for laugh, His Girl Friday may not strictly be the funniest of the screwball comedies of the 30s and 40s, but it's almost certainly the best. The core story of an editor desperate to hold onto his best journalist despite their clashing personalities is a fun premise, one made a pure delight thanks to the amazing script, loaded with witty one-liners and strong characterization. The most substantial choice Howard Hawks made in adaptation though was to turn journalist Hildy Johnson into a woman, and make her and editor Walter Burns her former husband. Not only does this bring a new layer to the pair's relationship, and not only do Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell especially give amazing performances, but it also adds a highly subversive element to the film. Put simply, His Girl Friday is a 1940 film about a woman choosing between living as a housewife or continuing not only as a working woman, but the absolute best worker in her field, and the film unequivocally supports the latter. That's pretty badass. On a technical level, the film features an energetic editing style that feels way more modern than any other American film from 1940. 86. Woman in the Dunes (Hiroshi Teshigahara, 1964)Woman in the Dunes is the other film I only watched for the first time last year, and unlike Eraserhead, it hasn't been the subject of a multiple rewatches or a video essay, so why does it land a spot even higher than Eraserhead? Put simply, because Hiroshi Teshigahara's film has haunted me since my first viewing. The premise of a man who becomes trapped and forced to work a sandpit is itself unique and compelling, but it's as a highly interpretive text that Woman in the Dunes really gains its power. The story is about how a man gives up hope, and you can read this a number of ways. Maybe it's a political parable, a story about how workers under capitalism slowly come to accept the conditions of their own exploitation. Or maybe it's a more personal affair, detailing how someone sinks into depression and, like sand, the deeper one sinks, the harder it is to pull out. There's also the film's strange eroticism which is both beautiful but also frightening. And really, "beautiful and also frightening" is kind of the perfect description of Woman in the Dunes. For all my talk about different interpretations, this is also a brilliantly constructed film, with some gorgeous imagery and a gut-punch ending you won't shake any time soon.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 11, 2018 22:13:19 GMT -5
If Jaws isn't on here
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Post by Dracula on Jul 12, 2018 6:12:38 GMT -5
Woman in the Dunes is a great pick.
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85. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Steven Spielberg, 1977)You can criticize the man all you want, but I don't know of any filmmaker who can catch wondrous moments of awe for all ages quite like Steven Spielberg can. For all of his great films though, Close Encounters of the Third Kind is the most awe-inspiring. The film follows an everyman (a perfectly cast Richard Dreyfuss) who becomes obsessed with the possibility of alien life on Earth. The film generates a great sense of mystery. You're never entirely sure if the aliens are benevolent or sinister, and that leads to some pretty haunting scenes. The film ends on what is one of the greatest climaxes in all of cinema. It's not an action scene, but rather, two groups coming to communicate. It's beautiful, with John Williams' score bringing tremendous gravity to the moment and the film as a whole. 84. Metropolis (Fritz Lang, 1927)Alright, so the political discourse of Metropolis is a little naive, and Fritz Lang himself has said as much looking back on the film. Even so, there really is no denying what a monumental text Metropolis is, particularly in the realms of science-fiction. No, it wasn't the first sci-fi movie, but it was among the first to use sci-fi elements to actually make a socio-political critique. That legacy has certainly been echoed in sci-fi cinema moving forward, and specific visuals have also been lifted from Lang's film. The high tech, sprawling city-scape of Metropolis has been re-used dozens of times since 1927, but the original film's vision of a futuristic urban space is still striking all on its own. So widely praised is Metropolis' set design and special effects, that the film's wild editing style and heart-pounding set-pieces often go unmentioned. 83. Paths of Glory (Stanley Kubrick, 1957)I think it's fair to say that Stanley Kubrick had a pretty cynical view of humanity. His movies are often highly critical of our violent tendencies, petty conflict, and openly questioned where we're going as a species. Most of his films express this with a large dose of biting satire though, and in this regard, Paths of Glory is a bit of an anomaly. Though certainly cynical and biting in its depiction of the wealthy and powerful, Paths of Glory is much more sincere and sentimental than we're used to from Kubrick. It's a hard hitting, emotional film that is anti-war, yes, but goes deeper than merely showing the hardships of battle. In Paths of Glory, the greatest injustices are not committed on the battlefield or in the trenches, but in drawing rooms, where the rich and powerful order young men to their death for no reason at all. That the central battle of Paths of Glory is ultimately pointless only adds to the irony. The film is an indictment not just of war, but of the unjust hierarchies that perpetuate such conflict. Kubrick's visual style is perhaps more subtle than it would become with future films, but his roaming camera and one-point perspective are indeed present, giving the film a horrific sense of inevitability.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 12, 2018 16:13:17 GMT -5
Good choices. Id probably have Close Encounters in about the same position.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 12, 2018 16:30:47 GMT -5
Paths of Glory is so good
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 13, 2018 19:27:06 GMT -5
82. Princess Mononoke (Hayao Miyazaki, 1997)Hayao Miyazaki might well be among the most beloved filmmakers of the modern era, and not without good reason. His films demonstrate a sincerity and creativity which is not only rare in animation, but film in general. His greatest work is certainly debatable, but for me, the crown jewel is Princess Mononoke. The film is an epic fantasy in the grandest sense, dropping the viewer into a fascinating world of strange creatures, Gods, and political conflict. Princess Mononoke is perhaps best remembered for its jaw-dropping animation and creative designs, but the film also deserves praise for its well-drawn story. This is a rousing adventure film in the best possible sense, with great characters and an epic tale which perfectly mixes a personal story with a greater political context. The film's environmental themes and critique of industrialism are thoughtful, and Miyazaki never reduces the conflict to a simple dichotomy of good and evil. The conflict and characters are far more complicated in Princess Mononoke, but such seriousness never impedes on the film's sense of adventure. Before Game of Thrones, and before The Lord of the Rings, Princess Mononoke was the definitive word in cinematic fantasy. 81. Frankenstein (James Whale, 1931)Literary types often like to dismiss James Whale's Frankenstein as a silly and shallow adaptation of Mary Shelley's classic, but that's bullshit. Though many of the details were changed in adaptation, Whale's film does indeed capture the novel's themes of blind ambition, unchecked industrialism, and humanity's cruelty. For all the fun horror elements, Frankenstein is ultimately a very sad story. The film does an amazing job demonstrating the titular doctor's mistakes while alsoexploring the Creature's sorrow. Crucial to this is Boris Karloff's performance. Easy to underrate, but Karloff does an amazing job humanizing the creature and squeezing out so much emotion from the simplest gestures. The film also features some incredible make-up work, some of the most iconic scenes in movie history, and a classic horror atmosphere that's to die for. 80. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan, 2008)Oh boy, I can already hear Doomsday furiously typing at me. This is probably gonna be my most fanboy looking entry in this list, but fuck it, I love The Dark Knight, and I'm not gonna drop it from this list just to look better than those "other" nerds. The film, of course, deserves credit for some of the instantly iconic elements. Heath Ledger's Joker is pretty firmly entrenched as one of the great villains in cinema and a lot of the movie's scenes and lines have pretty firmly embedded themselves in pop-culture. The Dark Knight is also probably still the best film of its subgenre, and that's nothing to sneeze it. Even if you were to strip The Dark Knight's legacy though, I still love this movie. It's an exhilarating action movie with a great story about the cost of heroism which asks important questions about how to fight terrorism. The movie's answers are perhaps contradictory, but the exploration remains stirring. The film is an excellent spectacle, but it's really as drama that the film most succeeds. It's not every day an action movie climaxes on a conversation between three former friends.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 13, 2018 20:33:01 GMT -5
I approve of a monster movie and a superhero movie in any top 100 list. Especially Frankenstein, which is one of my all time faves.
I love The Dark Knight as well, but not as much as Frankenstein.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 13, 2018 21:26:29 GMT -5
I wrote a college essay on Memento. You’ll outgrow Christopher Nolan too.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 13, 2018 21:58:04 GMT -5
You chose the right Miyazaki. Dark Knight for me was a hard movie to try to rank when I was doing my own top 100. I felt like it still needed a little time to let the hype die down before I tried to cannonize it. Time has so far been good to it, as superhero movies move further and further from what it was doing it feels more and more singular and special.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 13, 2018 22:38:52 GMT -5
I approve of a monster movie and a superhero movie in any top 100 list. Especially Frankenstein, which is one of my all time faves. I love The Dark Knight as well, but not as much as Frankenstein. Frankenstein has a few little things that bother me, like the intro with Edward Van Sloan, and the tacked on ending. Still love the hell out of the movie (obviously) but these beats were enough to give Dark Knight the edge. I wrote a college essay on Memento. You’ll outgrow Christopher Nolan too. You tellin' me you don't love The Dark Knight? You chose the right Miyazaki. The only other Miyazaki that comes close for me is My Neighbour Totoro. I like that film a lot too, but Mononoke is a lot more grand and just feels like Miyazaki's masterpiece.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 13, 2018 22:48:08 GMT -5
I approve of a monster movie and a superhero movie in any top 100 list. Especially Frankenstein, which is one of my all time faves. I love The Dark Knight as well, but not as much as Frankenstein. Frankenstein has a few little things that bother me, like the intro with Edward Van Sloan, and the tacked on ending. Still love the hell out of the movie (obviously) but these beats were enough to give Dark Knight the edge. I actually love the intro by Van Sloan for several reasons. First it helps maintain a play-like atmosphere that I love about films of that period. Second, and this might be a tad bit of a reach, it always felt like a natural "companion" scene to the lost ending of Dracula, where Van Sloan broke the forth wall and spoke to the audience by assuring them "There are such things!" (granted nobody's seen this scene for the better half of a century, but it's one of my lost film holy grails). Third, it reminds me of old Treehouse of Horror Simpsons episodes where Marge told the audience about how "scary" the show was going to be. To me it was a delightful mood setter. The ending though, yeah I don't care for that either. But it never really tainted the film that much for me.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 13, 2018 23:36:46 GMT -5
Frankenstein has a few little things that bother me, like the intro with Edward Van Sloan, and the tacked on ending. Still love the hell out of the movie (obviously) but these beats were enough to give Dark Knight the edge. I actually love the intro by Van Sloan for several reasons. First it helps maintain a play-like atmosphere that I love about films of that period. Second, and this might be a tad bit of a reach, it always felt like a natural "companion" scene to the lost ending of Dracula, where Van Sloan broke the forth wall and spoke to the audience by assuring them "There are such things!" (granted nobody's seen this scene for the better half of a century, but it's one of my lost film holy grails). Third, it reminds me of old Treehouse of Horror Simpsons episodes where Marge told the audience about how "scary" the show was going to be. To me it was a delightful mood setter. The ending though, yeah I don't care for that either. But it never really tainted the film that much for me. Minor issue in the scope of things, but it was enough to give Doomsday and I's favourite filmmaker the edge. Didn't know about the cut Dracula content.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 13, 2018 23:57:28 GMT -5
Didn't know about the cut Dracula content. It was mentioned at the end of Universal's old Dracula documentary that they pair with the film on home media. They mention it being cut out in reissues and never restored, eventually lost. It explains why the film ends so abruptly, with Mina and Harker climbing the stairs while Van Helsing was left behind as he has unstated "unfinished business" to attend to. The film initially panned back down to Van Helsing as he delivered a monologue to the audience.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 14, 2018 9:56:58 GMT -5
79. La Dolce Vita (Federico Fellini, 1960)Federico Fellini's breakthrough sensation is one of the most fun films of the golden age of world cinema to watch, but also one of the most distressing. At its core, La Dolce Vita is about despair, as journalist Marcello fruitlessly tries to find some meaning in his life during a series of vignettes over the course of a week. Despite the glamour and decadence of the Italy Marcello experiences, the man is consistently plagued by an emptiness; a lack of satisfaction which never quite ceases. The episodic format works wonders in terms of creating that cyclical sense of misery, and Fellini never gives the character, or the audience, an easy answer. Quite the contrary in fact. But for as heavy as La Dolce Vita is thematically, it's never hard to watch. The film is just so damn stylish, with Fellini taking great advantage of decadent post-war Italy. Fellini's effortlessly glides through scenes, which, in combination with great blocking of the actors Nino Rota's fantastic score, create the feeling of a coordinated dance. La Dolce Vita is pure poety, with several incredible sequences and beautiful imagery. The whole thing is anchored by Marcello Mastroianni, who perfectly captures a sense of fatigue and subdued despair, which plays against Fellini's playful style brilliantly. 78. The Empire Strikes Back (Irwin Kershner, 1980) The typical line on The Empire Strikes Back is that it's the best Star Wars movie because it's the darkest. I love the dark tone as much as the next guy, but I'd argue it's less the darkness of the film and more its maturity that makes Empire special. The characters are fleshed out more fully, ideas like the Force and Jedi are given greater complexity, and the conflict between our heroes and villains deepens. The film carries a great sense of weight, and this drama is matched in terms of the film's direction. The cinematography is much cooler and precise than the original Star Wars, while the emotions stirred are much more ambiguous. John Williams even improves on his legendary score for Star Wars, probing deeper and darker places. The film also introduces amazing new characters like Yoda to the Star Wars mythos and the final confrontation between Luke and Vader is amazing, from top to bottom. For better for worse, The Empire Strikes Back is the film that helped solidify the notion that Star Wars is a vast universe of endless possibilities. Actually analyze the films and you'll realize Star Wars is kind of limited, but Empire hits an epic level that opens up wondrous possibilities. 77. Memento (Christopher Nolan, 2001)A Nolan film two posts in a row? Take that gun out of your mouth Doomsday, I promise this is the last one. Given Nolan's still at the top of his game, it's hard to determine his masterpiece. Inception seems a likely candidate, but it's still a little too recent for me to pull the trigger on. For now though, my gut tells me its Memento. Revenge stories, when they're written well, tend to be about the futility of revenge, and the ultimately the feelings of emptiness it produces. In its own way, Memento expresses this theme perhaps better than any revenge film, following a character who, even if he accomplishes his mission, wouldn't even remember. The main character's anterograde amnesia and the film's unconventional narrative structure certainly make the film unique, but more importantly, they also lead to a really rewarding narrative, with great twists that are rewarding to unpack on rewatches. Nolan's visual style isn't quite fully formed here, but his themes of obsession and losing oneself to a cause are well-entrenched, and maybe at their best.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 14, 2018 10:44:09 GMT -5
Memento is overrated. Its nice that you are able to read those themes into it that you are, but I feel like you are stretching a bit.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 14, 2018 13:19:46 GMT -5
Memento is overrated. Its nice that you are able to read those themes into it that you are, but I feel like you are stretching a bit. I don't think so. A lot of the themes are found explicitly in the dialogue. The whole point of the twist is that Leonard is continuously creating new targets to seek vengeance on, otherwise he'll have no purpose. The story is literally one of a circular, endless cycle of death that can never bring closure.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 14, 2018 14:21:57 GMT -5
I guess so.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 14, 2018 14:26:25 GMT -5
My college screened Memento when it was still a fairly new movie. Nolan's only other movies were Following, Insomnia and Batman Begins. He was arguably still a nobody at the time. It's crazy to think about that in retrospect. Watching Memento didn't make think this guy was gonna "re-invent cinema" a few years later. This would be like watching Duel or American Graffiti in 1974 and having no clue those two nerds were gonna change Hollywood forever.
Anyway, we watched Memento and The Machinist. Both movies, if I recall correctly, are about self harm. Memento isn't a revenge story. The big twist is that HE killed his wife. He's going around creating these elaborate revenge stories to mask the fact that his wife tried to call his bluff and paid the price.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 14, 2018 15:04:05 GMT -5
My college screened Memento when it was still a fairly new movie. Nolan's only other movies were Following, Insomnia and Batman Begins. He was arguably still a nobody at the time. It's crazy to think about that in retrospect. Watching Memento didn't make think this guy was gonna "re-invent cinema" a few years later. This would be like watching Duel or American Graffiti in 1974 and having no clue those two nerds were gonna change Hollywood forever. Anyway, we watched Memento and The Machinist. Both movies, if I recall correctly, are about self harm. Memento isn't a revenge story. The big twist is that HE killed his wife. He's going around creating these elaborate revenge stories to mask the fact that his wife tried to call his bluff and paid the price. That's another way to read the ending, but even using that reading, I still think the cyclical revenge and the emptiness theme still works. I haven't seen The Machinist.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 14, 2018 17:25:04 GMT -5
77. Memento (Christopher Nolan, 2001)
I promise this is the last one. This list already got better. Jk, I actually enjoy Memento quite a bit. I don't think I would put it on my top 100 list but I certainly won't argue with anyone who does. I mean it's not like you included the Dark Knight or anythi....oh.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 14, 2018 17:39:10 GMT -5
My college screened Memento when it was still a fairly new movie. Nolan's only other movies were Following, Insomnia and Batman Begins. He was arguably still a nobody at the time. It's crazy to think about that in retrospect. Watching Memento didn't make think this guy was gonna "re-invent cinema" a few years later. This would be like watching Duel or American Graffiti in 1974 and having no clue those two nerds were gonna change Hollywood forever. Anyway, we watched Memento and The Machinist. Both movies, if I recall correctly, are about self harm. Memento isn't a revenge story. The big twist is that HE killed his wife. He's going around creating these elaborate revenge stories to mask the fact that his wife tried to call his bluff and paid the price. Why didn't the wife stop him? The diabetes subplot is terrible and unneeded. The better movie would have just had him killing the killer and willfully forgetting it.
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