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Post by Dracula on Jul 23, 2023 11:31:55 GMT -5
Oppenheimer(7/20/2023) For much of 2023 I’ve been excited to see Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer but have also been scared to death on its behalf. The challenges of dramas for adults at the box office are pretty well publicized and the life story of someone as complicated as J. Robert Oppenheimer sounds like a tough box office sell under pretty much any circumstances and Nolan seemed to be making this huge bet that he could turn it into a big summer blockbuster, going so far as to build his advertising campaign around a countdown timer so as to now allow the studios to chicken out and move it to awards season. Everything else that got revealed about the movie, from its three hour running time to its R-rating seemed to point to Nolan committing some sort of box office suicide of the kind that may well make it harder for any other kind of adult drama in the future to be made at any kind of scale and could combine with the financial issues of Tenet to make this wunderkind filmmaker unable to continue making the kinds of movies he makes. It’s still early but if the trades’ projections are right it sounds like I may have been worried over nothing as the movie is on track to a strong opening weekend having confoundingly been saved by internet memes of all things. If that’s true then Nolan may well and truly be the “savior of real cinema” that the stans (myself included) have long claimed he was because as it turns out Oppenheimer is every bit the mature and uncompromising work that it appears to be.
Oppenheimer looks at the famed physicist through the lens of two separate framing stories that intercut at various point. The first one, which is in color and makes up the majority of the film’s running time is framed by an interrogation of sorts that J. Robert Oppenheimer (Cillian Murphy) endured in 1954 when McCarthy-esque suspicions were leading the defense department to question his security clearance. The second framing story, which is in a beautiful silvery black and white, follows AEC chair Lewis Strauss (Robert Downey Jr.) during his 1959 confirmation hearing for secretary of commerce. The past events that we cut back to during both of these respective framing stories maintains the color schemes in play as a marker of perspective. Beyond the flashback structure and the occasional cutting between the two events though the narrative is fairly chronological so none of this is really as disorienting as it maybe sounds. The narrative begins with Oppenheimer in his student years in Europe and then follows him back to Berkley, where he’s immersed in the political debates of the day while building up a formidable physics department and gets into a complicated relationship with a woman named Jean Tatlock (Florence Pugh) before eventually leaving her for another woman named Katherine AKA “Kitty” (Emily Blunt) who he would eventually marry. Eventually though history would come calling as the war began and he was approached by Lieutenant General Leslie Groves (Matt Damon) to head the Manhattan Project.
Christopher Nolan has in many ways become a controversial figure in film discussion circles because he makes movies to be taken seriously but at the end of the day he’s still making big budget action blockbusters and some view him as not being so different from the commercial hacks he’s intended to be an antidote to. Oppenheimer is in some ways set up to be a project to respond to his doubters, basically the first movie he’s made since at least The Prestige (depending on your definition) that is in no way shape or form an action movie. In this sense it’s kind of his Jackie Brown, a movie that shows that he’s fully capable of being a “grown up” if he wants to and on that level it feels like a departure. However, this is still very much a Nolan film to its core. It’s non-linear but still follow-able double helix structure feels like Memento in its shifts between black and white and color and its serious tone and focus on dudes in suits is also well in line with his usual visual style and its occasional cuts to illustrations of its scientific concepts would not feel out of place in Inception.
One thing Nolan often doesn’t get credit for though is writing dialogue and for being an “actor’s director” and you can kind of see that in the film’s marketing campaign which almost seems to imply that the payoff to seeing this movie is to look at a bomb blow up really good in for IMAX. Honestly, while the eventual Trinity Test explosion looks fine, at the end of the day it’s just one of several mushroom clouds we’ve seen on screen and isn’t even really a highlight but you don’t care because you’re so riveted by the drama around it. The film’s writing is bold and uncompromising. Nolan makes few if any concessions to dumb down this material and happily has characters discuss scientific discoveries, government bureaucratic agencies, and political ideologies without stopping too much to explain themselves. People who felt he explained too much through exposition in past movies will probably not have too much to complain about here, and he does do this without making things very confusing at all really. On top of that he is very willing to talk directly about issues like the differences between left wing social issues and soviet communism and later McCarthy witch hunts directly, and shows “both sides” of the coin but in ways that feel honest rather than like audiences pleasing compromises.
As for Nolan’s reputation as an actor’s director, this film should bolster that quite a bit as well because this cast is stacked. The movie has something like fifty characters in speaking roles, many of them based on real people both famous and obscure and we have notable actors like Kenneth Branagh, Rami Malek, Casey Affleck, Jason Clarke, Gary Oldman, Alden Ehrenreich, Benny Safdie, and Alex Wolff all showing up to work in parts that only last a couple of scenes, but Nolan doesn’t just gratuitously use cameos and is also willing to have less recognizable actors also show up to play major figures. But of course the core cast is where the real attention will be, and the real surprise of the film is Robert Downey Jr., who has a bigger role than a lot of people were probably expecting and is perhaps putting the most work into a role that I’ve seen him do since he started playing Iron Man and kind of went on auto-pilot as an actor. That was a really canny bit of casting as they need to make this guy seem like a bit of a rat but in a way that’s smart and formidable and with at least the appearance of gravitas. Florence Pugh is also really alluring as a woman in Oppenheimer’s early life and does a good job of making it clear what the guy saw in her despite somewhat limited screen time. Emily Blunt is a bit more of a mixed bag, partly as a consequence of the film maybe abandoning her storyline a bit in the second act. I also think she probably handles the subtle aging required by the story a bit less successfully than some of the other actors. Then of course there’s Cillian Murphy, who’s been working in bit parts in Nolan films for years and now finally finds himself in the role he was born to play and just pretty much knocks the assignment out of the park.
So what, besides the obvious, particularly drove Christopher Nolan to tell this particular story at this particular time? This couldn’t have been the safest financial choice at a delicate moment in his career where he’s coming off something of a bomb (albeit one with a heavy asterisk) with Tenet and is working for a new studio for the first time. This may be a bit of a galaxy brain take but I think it might be because he sees a lot of parallels in this story to the act of Hollywood filmmaking and to his own career in particular. Throughout the film he depicts the scientific community as a group of eccentric intellectuals with all sorts of different political and philosophical leanings who are often at odds with the powers that be in academia and the government. Not unlike the uneasy relationship between artistic talent and studio moneymen that Nolan likely witnesses every day and here the Manhattan Project almost feels like a blockbuster film shoot with a lot of money on the line and all sorts of mistrust and disagreements going on between the eccentrics doing the work and the top brass overseeing it and with both sort of using each other for different ends. And at the center of that whole production is Oppenheimer, who is essentially the director in this equasion: a genius himself to be sure but whose ultimate job is to synthesize various different departments each with their own specialty but who despite being the ostensible boss still has to answer to higher authorities who are signing the checks he needs to see his passion project through.
So if Nolan is Oppenheimer in this analogy does the comparison run any deeper than job roles? Maybe. This is even more of a stretch but I do wonder if Nolan perhaps sees at least something of himself in Oppenheimer’s role as the guy who sort of opened Pandora’s box. After all it was Nolan who scored over a billion dollars at the world box office with The Dark Knight, arguably the success that solidified the superhero movie as the definitive Hollywood genre of the 2010s and set DC and Marvel off on something of an escalating arms race for supremacy of this ultimate weapon of cinematic mass destruction. Like Oppenheimer, Nolan tried to influence the way that studios used his invention and reign in the excesses they were tempted to lean into but at the end of the day his invention wasn’t his anymore and they just had to keep chasing their rivals into “cinematic universes” and the like, possibly to their own eventual detriment. Meanwhile for all his trouble he was still pushed around and disrespected by his former employer. Is the whole Robert Downey Jr. story a subtweet of some Warner Brothers executive that Nolan thinks pushed him out vindictively? For that matter could casting Iron Man himself in that role be some sort of elaborate joke to this end? That side of this may ultimately be unconfirmable and to be honest this whole tangent might be a very wild exercise in overthinking things that maybe trivializes this whole movie that does not need all this subtext to excellent, but the mind goes where it goes with these things sometimes.
However you want to look at it, Oppenheimer is definitely an achievement, though possibly an imperfect one. There are a couple of loose threads and sub-plots here that, despite the film’s lengthy runtime, do feel like they aren’t fully fleshed out. I mentioned before that the storyline about Oppenheimer’s marriage feels like it’s missing a beat or two which might have been left on the cutting room floor and I also think the Strauss storyline seems to be missing some context. It’s cut in such a way as to suggest that the politicians whole elaborate scheme came undone almost entirely because of an out of nowhere testimony by what was up to that point a minor character, which feels almost like a deus ex machina. You get the feeling that this was more complicated in history and indeed, as best as I can tell his difficult confirmation had as much to do with some shady utility deals he was involved in and just general flexing by an incoming Democrat controlled congress as it did with his Oppenheimer Affair and the whole storyline ends with a rather clunky line referencing John F. Kennedy. These are ultimately pretty small quibbles though and they’re dwarfed by the bigger achievement here: what Nolan has made here is a large scale dramatic biopic that seems to be serving as popular entertainment without talking down to the audience at all and posits thorny questions of ethics in a direct and accessible way. It’s a real home run being delivered right when it felt like “the game” was on the line and I’m extremely grateful for these heroics. ****1/2 out of Five
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Post by Neverending on Jul 23, 2023 18:20:28 GMT -5
Nolan doesn’t just gratuitously use cameos and is also willing to have less recognizable actors also show up to play major figures. You, me and Chris Nolan are the only ones that remember the Wackness.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 23, 2023 18:57:44 GMT -5
Barbie
I liked it. The commentary is pretty on-the-nose, but still delivered well, aka through comedy that is legit funny, and the emotion it also has feels genuine and earned. And the production design is so good. Plus, Ryan Gosling honestly steals this movie. Seriously, the way he plays a male bimbo in this with Ken is amazing. His comedic timing is so on-point.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 23, 2023 19:49:59 GMT -5
Oppenheimer
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Post by Neverending on Jul 23, 2023 21:49:46 GMT -5
Barbie
I liked it. The commentary is pretty on-the-nose, but still delivered well, aka through comedy that is legit funny, and the emotion it also has feels genuine and earned. And the production design is so good. Plus, Ryan Gosling honestly steals this movie. Seriously, the way he plays a male bimbo in this with Ken is amazing. His comedic timing is so on-point.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 23, 2023 21:49:58 GMT -5
Oppenheimer 9/10 Barbie 7/10
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Post by donny on Jul 24, 2023 9:41:33 GMT -5
That was a good listen. Damn, though, sounds like they watched it with some pretty shitty screen formatting at the theater.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 24, 2023 11:58:37 GMT -5
Barbie was a lotta fun. The trolling was top notch, and clearly the whole right wing was easily triggered by it.
But I laughed a good bit of the run time. The wrap up takes too long to get to the point but doesn't detract from the movie overall. Had another phantom sell out on Sunday early afternoon and like 10 seats surrounding us were empty. Might have been some late cancellations though rest of the theater was sold out.
7/10
Oppy tonight.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 24, 2023 18:46:52 GMT -5
Barbie > Oppenheimer
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Post by frankyt on Jul 25, 2023 7:23:33 GMT -5
Anyone else cackle out loud in the final few minutes as Oppenheimer sees his lawyers into a cab at Princeton - the cab pulls away and crazy ass mopey Einstein just appears behind the cab here to drop some knowledge to our intrepid protagonist?
I liked it. I don't think it's in my top three Nolan's but I really enjoyed it. And a credit to both Nolan and gerwig kept fully sold out crowds in the theater focused, there was very little chit chat and talking from the general audiences I was with.
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Post by scottysair on Jul 25, 2023 15:30:41 GMT -5
I just watch Barbie movie on this last Sunday. It's all sold out now. Lots of people who are watching the Barbie movie. I already have a ticket.
And for Openheimer movie, I am going to watch it on this Friday at 12pm. It take 3 hours movies. Way too long!! I'll buy a popcorn and soft pretzels, as well.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 4, 2023 8:38:13 GMT -5
Barbie(7/28/2023) The trailers for the new film based around the famous Barbie doll toy line rather cheekily asserts that “if you love Barbie this movie is for you, if you hate Barbie this movie is for you.” But where does that leave the people like me who just kind of don’t give a shit about Barbie? This toy line has had basically no impact on my life, I didn’t have sisters as a kid, I don’t have kids now, I don’t particularly engage one way or another on the various feminist arguments that have existed around these toys… for me they were nothing more than a pink aisle I used to have to walk past as a kid to get to the action figures and since then they’ve meant even less. And yet, this movie is a little too big to ignore. It’s probably on pace to be the highest grossing movie of the summer and may well overtake The Super Mario Bros. Movie as the highest grossing movie of the year and on top of that it comes from a respected filmmaker and has been strongly praised by critics for its comedy and social commentary. On top of all that it’s been permeating “the discourse” and has seemingly been pissing off all the right people. Anything that makes Ben Shapiro angry enough to go on a forty three minute rant has to be doing something right. So, with some trepidation I finally caught up with the movie despite feeling like someone who’s uniquely unqualified to really weigh in on this thing.
Barbie opens in “Barbie Land” a sort of parallel universe populated by “Barbies,” “Kens,” and other characters associated with the toy line, who live in pink “dream houses” and ride pink cars and whatnot. Specifically we follow “Stereotypical” Barbie (Margot Robbie) who is the avatar for the basic vanilla doll of the line but there are dozens of other people named Barbie in the community played by various other actresses. There are also various Kens but the one we primarily follow is “Beach” Ken (Ryan Gosling), who is a dumb himbo. At first we see a typical idyllic day in Barbie Land but then the next day things start affecting our central Barbie differently. She’s started having thoughts about death that normally never enter her head, things start not going perfectly for her throughout her day, and to top it all off her feet start laying down flat on the floor instead of sticking up to accommodate high heels. Her friends advise her to seek out “Weird” Barbie (Kate McKinnon), a Barbie doll deformed through rough play by a Sid-like kid, who advises her that the only way to quell these emotions is to travel to the “real world” and find the kid who’s been playing with her corresponding doll there. Unbeknownst to her Ken tags along on this trip where a lot of fish-out-of-water antics ensue.
The exact relationship between “Barbie Land” and “The Real World” in the context of the film is a bit nebulous; there’s some suggestion that every Barbie in Barbie Land corresponds to an actual doll in the world, but that would suggest that the population of Barbie Land would be much larger and that the lifespan of its inhabitants would be much shorter. There are throw away lines in the movie suggesting that you as a viewer shouldn’t take this too literally, which is probably good advice, but perhaps feels like a bit of a cheat. Barbie Land itself is rather cleverly constructed with these elaborate physical sets with various features of the dollhouses in question and the film gets a lot of clever visual gags out of having the characters interact with these sets the way a doll would, like taking showers under showerheads that don’t actually release water or eating invisible food and drink off of plates and cups or gliding smoothly from the house to the car as if being lifted by a child rather than walking out the door. This was also clearly made with some pretty deep research into this doll line both past and present with what must be an infinite number of Easter eggs that collectors of this line will be likely to spot.
The obvious precedent for this is almost certainly The Lego Movie but that was more straightforwardly a children’s animated movie without much in the way of “real world issues” to tackle beyond whether you should follow instructions when putting together lego sets. By contrast there are decades of debates and arguments to be had about the way that Barbie dolls represent women and educate girls that this movie has to deal with, and deal with it it does. So what exactly does the movie have to say about feminism? Well, pretty much everything. Over the course of the film we hear about pretty much every argument that’s been made about Barbie as a product in addition to riffs on just about every pop feminist argument you’ve ever heard advanced with varying degrees of cleverness. At time this gets a bit talky and on the nose, to the point where there are occasional stretches where characters straight up seem to be reciting Jezebel articles at each other, but usually the movie handles this material better than that. One of the most successful aspects of the film is that it seems to have sort of picked up on and is critical of the fact that the Barbie toy line and mythos basically treats Ken the way most movie series are accused of treating women: as a second rate entity with no interior life or purpose beyond being an accessory to the real hero. To that end it’s established that the Barbie Land in the movie is essentially a matriarchy that acts as a funhouse mirror version of gender relations in our real world as a means of kind of displaying to male audiences what this sort of treatment would feel like if the shoe was on the other foot. That’s pretty clever and to some extent I think the movie might have benefited from zeroing in on that idea and making that the focus but it perhaps gets a bit distracted going off in several other directions, some of them insightful in their own ways and some of them catering to less sophisticated “battle of the sexes” tropes. I’ve heard people describe the movie as “radical” which seems like a bit of a stretch, the movie doesn’t make many points you won’t have already heard if you were on the internet in the 2010s. Still, I don’t want to get too lost in the weeds here as this level of engagement with social issues is in fact relatively rare in movies made at this budgetary level and it is in fact quite surprising that a company as image conscious as Mattel was willing to get behind some of the self-parody that this movie puts their brand through. And this also isn’t a movie that entirely lives or dies by the originality of its political messaging, it’s fast paced enough that any unevenness gets smoothed over in the rush and there’s more than enough wit and creativity here to make this a pretty enjoyable experience. Looked at as the follow-up to Greta Gerwig’s celebrated last two movies this might look like a bit messier than what came before but looked at as something that’s might be on pace to become the highest grossing movie of the year this looks a lot more impressive. The movie currently sitting in that slot, The Super Mario Bros. Movie, is a pretty comparable project given that it’s also an Easter-egg laden project based on what is essentially a children’s toy. I’ll take this as a Hollywood success over that profoundly empty movie any day of the week. ***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Neverending on Aug 4, 2023 17:44:46 GMT -5
I’m proud that society bullied Dracula into watching the Barbie movie.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2023 17:48:19 GMT -5
I read a paragraph or two and lost interest. Tell us the gist of it, sir.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 6, 2023 20:12:40 GMT -5
I read a paragraph or two and lost interest. Tell us the gist of it, sir. Came to it from this thread, and the most damning excerpt. This thing has NINE authors, all for a "why doesn't this movie have MY poltics" gripe.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 6, 2023 20:19:48 GMT -5
Media discourse is so much fun these days.
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