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Post by Neverending on May 3, 2023 3:56:05 GMT -5
comingsoon.boards.net/thread/41/guardians-galaxy-review-threadcomingsoon.boards.net/thread/1752/guardians-galaxy-vol-review-threadGuardians 3 isn’t structurally strong, and fans of Adam Warlock will be enraged, but the payoff is so great that it don’t matter. Much has been reported about Rocket’s origin story, which is certainly great, but also felt like it belonged in a different movie or at the very least could have been edited differently into the movie. James Gunn missed his chance to have an O-Ren from Kill Bill type sequence. The Guardians themselves are… good. A lot of the drama felt forced and it took a while for the story to get interesting. A lot of it felt pointless, although there is good humor and fun cameos sprinkled in. But as I said, the payoff is great. The climax, resolution and epilogues are fantastic. What a satisfying conclusion to this trilogy. Hats off to James Gunn. These movies weren’t perfect, far from it actually, but Gunn managed to do his own thing in this machine we call Marvel. And the characters are ultimately beloved. One last thing. The soundtrack is the worst of the three, but has its moments.
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Post by Dracula on May 4, 2023 21:16:07 GMT -5
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Neverending on May 5, 2023 0:28:21 GMT -5
In regards to Adam Warlock, I think that’s where we felt the gap between 2017 and 2023. Whatever the plans were, they clearly went out the window somewhere throughout James Gunn’s temporary firing and the million different moving parts at Marvel. The road from Iron Man to Endgame was bumpy, but ultimately successful. Marvel certainly needs to restrategize. These movies are getting sloppy and disorienting. Maybe it’s time to let these movies be movies first and foremost, and not an overly complicated TV franchise playing on the big screen.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 6, 2023 12:36:46 GMT -5
I thought it was excellent
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Post by Jibbs on May 6, 2023 16:52:55 GMT -5
James Gunn understands the recipe of a great movie; the ingredients. But as a chef he always aims a bit high for his talent? Crappy analogies asides, the move was decent, definitely an improvement over Volume 2, but felt lacking in the end. They should have cut out at least 30 minutes (maybe what Dracula said and talking Warlock out). This movie does have high highs and the characters shine bright in this one, but the pacing and plot is a bit of a mess. Again, not as egregious as Volume Two, but humor steps on drama here and there. Then there's the action which was often saturated with chaos and NOISE, just calm the fuck down sometimes, you know? Way to once again take no chances, too. Everyone lived? Oh, but not before doing 2-3 fake outs. They certainly went dark with Rocket's backstory, but see what cliché they pasted over it later? The whole "we're in heaven" dampening down? What was that?
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 6, 2023 18:40:20 GMT -5
I can assure you there's one guy who didn't even know who the fuck Adam Warlock was before Vol. 2, and his name is PhantomKnight.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 7, 2023 9:18:30 GMT -5
I was thoroughly entertained through pretty much the entire runtime. The humour, visuals, and emotional beats all worked for me. The characters' relationships are the glue that holds this all together; James Gunn knows this and so do to the actors. The movie center's Rocket's tragic past at the center of this film, as the new villain is the mad scientist responsible for giving him intelligence who wants him back. I like that the stakes are more personal for this final installment. I do think the destruction caused by this villain is taken too far at one points, however. But otherwise the High Evolutionary works as a solid baddies. This is the best of the MCU since Endgame. Not an original statement even at this point, I am sure, but its true nonetheless. It may be the last of the A-tier Marvels, I have a feeling. I think what I really appreciated after watching this was how well-integrated the message was into all aspects of this film, and how simple yet important that message is: everyone matters.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 7, 2023 16:13:39 GMT -5
It's safe to say that my thoughts on this movie right now are complicated.
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Post by Neverending on May 8, 2023 1:20:58 GMT -5
It's safe to say that my thoughts on this movie right now are complicated. lol. Why?
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Post by PG Cooper on May 8, 2023 7:06:59 GMT -5
Movie was pretty good, but that Oppenheimer trailer? Hot damn!
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 8, 2023 19:57:29 GMT -5
It's safe to say that my thoughts on this movie right now are complicated. lol. Why? Kind of like you already said, the Rocket story felt like it belonged in another movie and the jumping back and forth between it wasn't always very clean. And damn, was it cruel. There were other tonal oddities in the rest of the movie, too. And while I thought certain emotional payoffs worked, there were others -- Peter's and Gamora's -- that didn't feel like they landed with me that well. Gamora barely even feels like she goes on an arc in this. You could've almost just left her out of the movie. Speaking of, yeah...why was Adam Warlock in this? Just to pay off a set up from Vol. 2? The rest of the movie worked well for me, though.
But I guess "mixed" would be more accurate to describe my thoughts right now. I'm honestly still solidifying my opinion on this, though.
One thing's for sure, though: Vol. 2 is still my favorite Guardians movie. By a mile. I love that movie more and more every time I watch it.
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Post by Neverending on May 9, 2023 2:23:54 GMT -5
the Rocket story felt like it belonged in another movie and the jumping back and forth between it wasn't always very clean. James Gunn was making Godfather II when he should have been making Kill Bill Vol 1. A great little sequence, O-Ren style, with a badass needle drop, would have gotten the same point across and made the movie flow a lot better in the process. Gamora’s arc is Peter’s arc. As I said earlier, the biggest issue with this movie is that it fell victim to James Gunn’s firing. This movie should have come out in 2019. Like the two Spider-Man sequels that followed Endgame, this movie serves as an epilogue to the Infinity Saga. Peter had to learn to move on. And Gamora destroys the notion that the multiverse removes stakes in the MCU. This very much isn’t the same Gamora from before and her role in the franchise is no longer the same. That can happen to any character. In a blink of an eye, Tony Stark can turn into Tom Cruise. I need to rewatch the first two, but yeah, Vol. 2 is certainly the more memorable one.
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Post by frankyt on May 9, 2023 9:50:39 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. The focus on afterlife and the David and g baby allusion kinda threw me off and made me rather annoyed at Disney as a whole but... Those were my only real problems.
With the animal abuse angle the stakes were sufficiently raised though, you don't have to wipe an entire planet off the map (even tho they kinda do that in this too) to feel the stakes of the movie - and being able to bring back the high evolutionary is a smart move.
I liked the ending, thought it was handled well, sufficiently sappy and nostalgic while keeping the doors firmly open - only rolled my eyes a few times during the dog days are over dance scene.
Still contemplating but I'll give it a 6.5/10 on the sliding MCU scale.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 9, 2023 18:00:13 GMT -5
I share two of your complaints, but clearly liked it a lot more.
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Post by Dracula on May 20, 2023 9:59:27 GMT -5
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3(5/5/2023) In the May of 2017 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 opened up to predictable acclaim and profits. It was early in “phase three,” which in retrospect was probably a high point of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and it was perhaps easy to take their victories for granted at the time. I thought that sequel was fine but felt like it was kind of just more of the same from what James Gunn gave us in the first Guardians movie, but that movie was also solid so that was fine. I fully expected a third volume to show up on schedule in the next three years and would close out the trilogy with even more of the same but that didn’t exactly happen. Instead thanks to some behind the scenes drama I don’t have time to get into it took six years for this final sequel to show up, which doesn’t sound like that much more but a whole lot has happened since then in the real world and even more has happened with the MCU. Consider for example that the first of the rebooted MCU Spider-Man movies came out two months after that second Guardians film and yet we’ve already finished out that trilogy well before the climactic Guardians film finally came out. Additionally the characters of Guardians of the Galaxy were major parts of two Avengers movies which led to major changes for the entire team that James Gunn would need to address. Beyond that though the whole momentum of the MCU has changed a lot, as have the careers of the entire cast and crew, including Gunn who I have to suspect is a little bitter about the aforementioned behind the scenes drama. So with this new installment we’re given a Guardians of the Galaxy sequel that may in many ways feel like more of the same on the surface but has a noticeably different tone and feel at its core.
The film begins shortly after the “Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special” that released on Disney+ last year and sees our heroes set up on Knowhere. Peter Quill (Chris Pratt) is still in something of a depressed stupor following the death of Gamora (Zoe Saldana) in Avengers: Infinity War and the fact that a time displaced version of her came back in Avengers: Endgame only complicates those feelings. That doppelganger is off doing her own thing but most of the rest of “the gang” is there on knowhere and need to go into action when they are unexpectedly attacked by a gold skinned flying villain named Adam Warlock (Will Poulter), who is a bit dim but clearly has major combat ability. He eventually retreats after receiving an injury from Nebula (Karen Gillan), but not before grievously injuring Rocket (Bradley Cooper) and it becomes apparent to the crew that healing him will be impossible until they can deactivate a kill switch that has been implanted on the ring tailed mercenary’s heart. To save him the aforementioned Guardians along with Drax (Dave Bautista), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), and Groot (Vin Diesel) decide to go on a mission that will eventually pit them against the High Evolutionary (Chukwudi Iwuji), a megalomaniacal eugenicist who may have been entwined with Rocket’s past.
When the trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 dropped something stood out to me right away: it was accompanied by the song “In the Meantime” by Spacehog, a song that was recorded and released in 1996. That’s probably still an “oldie” by the standards of a lot of people but it’s still a good twenty years more current than the songs that populated the first two movies in the franchise. Sure enough that signals that the music in this movie features music from a wider range of time periods than the exclusively 60s and 70s stuff that set the tone for those first two movies. This shift was of course something that was foreshadowed late in Volume 2 when Peter Quill was gifted a Zoom, but it still feels like a somewhat daring willingness to mess with the formula a bit in this third film and I think that attitude carries over to other aspects of this film. I would not say that the film is radically different than the first two movies but there is subtle but noticeable change here that may throw some people. The film kind of lives in the shadow of traumatic events that happened over the course of the Avengers films the characters participated in and between that and Rocket’s dark backstory that makes the film a bit darker and a bit less of a romp than the first two volumes. This isn’t to say that there isn’t still humor in the movie, there certainly is, but at times it feels like these characters just joke to keep themselves from crying.
At the film’s center are a series of flashbacks to Rocket’s origins that appear to have been pretty well received but which I’m a bit cooler on. There’s nothing “wrong” with them exactly but it’s pretty clear from the beginning where that story thread is going and I feel like we could have maybe stood to cut to it a little less often and there’s also a walrus creature in it that’s very poorly rendered in CGI. The storyline also involves animals getting tinkered on by a sort of intergalactic Dr. Moreau, which I’ve heard some people describe as “disturbing,” which I can’t say I can relate to terribly well given how steeped in gory horror movies I am and how little affection I tend to have with animals. I’d also say that the villain in question, while not bad as a character necessarily, is a bit stock. His motives related to genetic tinkering are potentially interesting but he mostly just comes off as your standard megalomaniac and his tactics are just kind of flamboyantly eeeeeviiiilll. But he looks cool, and that’s probably good enough for the purposes of this movie that has a lot of other things to deal with during its running time. On the plus side, if you’re kind of sick of Marvel films being too devoted to setting up other Marvel films this is mostly a step back from that. You certainly need to do the prerequisite viewing (including both recent Avengers films and the holiday special) and I do have some suspicions that Adam Warlock is mostly here to be used again at some point in the future but aside from that there isn’t much spinoff baiting here and even the post credit scenes mostly serve to further the story you’ve been watching rather than to tease another one.
If I have a particular complaint about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 it’s just that it’s maybe lacking in any real surprises. In the lead-up to the film there was a lot of speculation about it doing something really wild and climactic to bring closure to this branch of the MCU but it really doesn’t, there’s not much to spoil even if I wanted to and while the central team is left in a different state than how it started the movie definitely does leave a lot of room for further sequels. Aside from that I think what feels a bit “off” about it is just timing. A lot of momentum seems to have been lost in the six years it took to make it both behind the scenes and in terms of what the public is looking for and the sub-franchise that so perfectly hit the zeitgeist in 2014 might be a bit behind the times in 2023. But I don’t want to come off as too negative hear because I think the sum of this movie’s parts are actually very strong. It’s probably the MCU’s best movie since Avengers: Endgame give or take a Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. In fact it’s because so much of it objectively executes so well that I’m left to theorize why the movie didn’t give me that joyful feeling I’m usually left with when the MCU is operating at the top of its game. Maybe it’s just a “me” problem? ***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Jibbs on May 20, 2023 12:39:07 GMT -5
This movie DID have one of my new all-time favorite Marvel lines. It went something like: "There IS no God, that's why I had to step in!!"
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 11, 2023 14:13:19 GMT -5
Slight spoilers...
I'm actually glad that I'm getting around to writing this review a bit of time after having seen this movie, because coming out of it, I was very mixed to say the least. But this is a good example of a situation where even though a movie maybe doesn't completely play out the way I might have hoped, that doesn't mean that what it offers is any less good or effective, and the time I've had to reflect on this has put that into better perspective.
But maybe I should start with the things that had me so conflicted about this movie in the first place. Let's start with what is actually the main backbone of the movie/crux of the story: Rocket's origins. This was actually kind of a tricky thing for me at first, and it mostly comes down to a matter of tone. The first two Guardians movies were definitely more humorous in nature while also throwing in dramatic flourishes to balance everything out and ground things emotionally. And it's not so much that these movies CAN'T lean more into drama if they want, as this one clearly does, but that this movie maybe tries too hard to lean into that? Again, this is where it becomes a little complicated: Rocket's backstory requires that darker tone, yes, but more than once, it doesn't feel as smoothly integrated into the movie as it could have been. Because this is still a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, after all. So, there's that humorous/irreverent tone we've come to expect, just this time mixed with more than a dash of darkness and melancholy -- not only due to Rocket's story, but also Peter's emotional arc here (more on that in a minute). I appreciate James Gunn wanting to properly explore the darker/harsher aspects of this story by committing to the tone there, and I think he effectively explores that in relation to the Rocket story...it's just that I found his other obligation to make a Guardians movie and mix in that tone as well wasn't as smooth as it maybe could have been.
I think part of that maybe has to do with the fact that the movie continuously flashes back to Rocket's backstory, which can often create jarring tonal shifts. And I think a better solution there could have been to perhaps show Rocket's origins all in one go during one extended flashback, as opposed to multiple ones. You would still get the same emotional impact that way, while also streamlining the story a bit better so that both halves feel balanced better. And about Rocket's story: I don't want to bury the lead here, because it IS effectively told and tugs on the heartstrings, as it should. You really feel the weight of it. I mean, it's hard not to. It can also be a little hard to watch a lot of the time, but I also don't think it ever crosses the line over into exploitative. But James Gunn still doesn't shy away from the reality of it. It's tough, but also adds a lot to Rocket as a character.
Then we come to Peter's story in this film. And again, more conflicted feelings. Well, I should clarify that it's Peter AND Gamora's story together that doesn't ultimately land with me. Peter's individual emotional arc, I've come around on. Where he lands by the end of this movie DOES feel appropriate, given where he is, emotionally, post-Endgame and especially through the majority of this movie. So, I can buy that and recognize it as appropriate. What I still struggle with, though, is how the script handles his resolution with Gamora, or lack thereof. I'm not saying rush a whole new love story for them necessarily, but I AM saying I personally think there were some more resonant options on the table for them. For instance, instead of having Adam Warlock rescue Peter from space at the end, what if it had been Gamora, after having been moved/won over enough by the Guardians over the course of the film? That would also be a nice mirror to the scene in Vol. 1 where he saved her in the same situation and shown some nice character growth for her instead of essentially just ending the movie in pretty much the same place she started. Again, that's not just them getting together again, but it DOES provide at least a spark of hope that they can find some sort of friendship/meaningful relationship over time. What we ultimately get here with them just leaves me feeling kind of cold.
The rest of the movie, though, plays out pretty well. The villain here is one of the better ones of the MCU, the action sequences continue to slap, and the humor lands. Although, the soundtrack in this one was honestly kind of weak. And in broad strokes/overall scope, the emotional resolution of this trilogy DOES feel satisfying. So, even though, I have some issues with the film, the things that work about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 work well enough to make up for those things. This movie may not be my favorite of the trilogy (Vol. 2 stil holds that honor), but this has proven to be one of the strongest sub-series of the MCU, regardless.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 22, 2023 11:14:20 GMT -5
It's interesting that, for all the ways Avengers: Endgame was Marvel's big series finale, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 has been shrouded with a greater sense of 'saying goodbye to the MCU'. That might have more to do with context than anything. Endgame was coming after a pretty stacked winning streak, while Guardians 3 drops following a mostly underwhelming Phase Four and lackluster start to Phase Five (at least according to the general reception; I still haven't seen Quantumania). That the next slate of MCU offerings seems so unexciting and that most of the major stars have either been written out or just seem worn out (looking at you, Thor), Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 does seem the final hurrah. And it is, of course, the last Marvel movie from James Gunn before he fully pivots to DC's film universe, significant given he one of the few Marvel directors to really leave a personal stamp on his work.
Appropriately, Guardians 3 does have the feel of a series finale. The movie makes a point to wrap up its characters arcs and put a nice bow on the trilogy. That's not to say things are really done - the post credits confirm Starlord will return and certain characters' futures are definitely left open - but for all intents and purposes, the Guardians series we've come to know since 2014 is over. And as send-offs go, this is pretty good.
The film has a notably different tone than the previous entries. Peter spends most of a film in a depression over Gamora not remembering their relationship, Rocket spends most of the film in a coma at the brink of death, and the plot is motivated by a rather urgent rescue mission. Then of course, there's the flashbacks to Rocket's time in captivity being experimented on, which are quite upsetting, especially by MCU standards. They aren't particularly violent, exactly, but there's a callousness to the brutal way Rocket and the other animals are treated that feels significantly darker than this series (or Marvel generally) have really delivered. Granted, the film still has plenty of humour, silly character moments, and another eclectic mixtape soundtrack. There's also an underlying feel-good sentiment to the core of the story, but the film has to really work for it this time.
The decision to skew darker mostly worked for me, though I do think it creates some fundamental problems. A big aspect of the movie is its animal rights theme, but that clashes with the action scenes, where the villain's animal/robot hybrid minions get smashed to pieces without a second thought. These scenes are meant to have the same sense of fun as the battles against the non-descript cannon fodder in the Avengers movies, but the context makes that tricky. After two hours stewing in the unethical exploitation and experimentation on animals, it's hard to watch the villains' animal-experiment minions get blasted as breezy entertainment. The film is also more generally overstuffed, needing to provide conclusions for all the Guardians, tell Rocket's origin story, establish a new villain, and pay off the Adam Warlock tease from the last Guardians movie. That last point becomes especially unnecessary. There's some fun to be had in Adam Warlock, but in a movie that already has so much to juggle, he's just another guy.
In spite of all this, the movie works. Rocket's peril really does supercharge the plot with an added layer of drama, and those flashbacks are quite effective. Kudos as well to Chukwudi Iwuji, who manages to take a potentially stock villain and elevate him through some interesting line deliveries. The character dynamics also still land and Gunn brings some fun visual ideas to the table. The trip to the all-organic space station is an especially nice episode. The film on the whole doesn't quite match Vol. 2 in either its visual imagination or overall story, but as a caper to the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, this definitely lands.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 29, 2023 22:15:18 GMT -5
Alongside 2/3 of Shang Chi, Multiverse of Madness, one of the few MCU movies worth the watch since Endgame.
8/10 on ye Olde Ebert scale of meeting a movie on its terms.
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